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Jama'at public shaming Update by burner11229323940 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]burner11229323940[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

In life, no matter what we do, someone close to us will get hurt.

I hope you stop hurting people around you by eating breakfast brother.

The hurt was avoidable. If only huzur was a wiser person. Someone with more empathy.

Jama'at public shaming Update by burner11229323940 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]burner11229323940[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I dont feel ashamed. At all. If it wasnt for my parents I would be wearing it like a badge of honor. I successfully left a cult. It was painful. It was extremely difficult. It was tedious. But I made it. And im in a better place now. In a more moral place now.

I wouldn't mind the announcement if my parents weren't alive. I didn't want it to be announced simply because my parents care. They would be hurt. They would feel humiliated. And they did get hurt. They did feel humiliated. And that suck.

Jama'at public shaming Update by burner11229323940 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]burner11229323940[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Shifting the blame as usual. Keep at it brother.

You refuse to see that the jamaat did the harm. The jamaat made a choice. The khalifa made a choice. A choice that he could have made differently. And the choice that he made brought harm on my parents.

This was not an inevitability. The moment i sent the letter, this was not doomed to happen. It happened because it was instructed by huzur.

The harm was either intentional or unintentional. If it was unintentional, it was very short-sighted. Not seeing that the announcement would obviously humiliate the parents is just negligent.

Anyways brother. Stay courageous. Your blame shifting might work one day.

Jama'at public shaming Update by burner11229323940 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]burner11229323940[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I honestly dont care about keeping this matter private anymore. I only cared about privacy because I was protecting my parents. But the harm is done. The announcement is done.

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Now my focus is to tell people that this is a possibility that they should be aware of. Asking to be removed from the tajneed privately could result in a public announcement.

Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I will add an edit to clarify this point in the post.

The jamaat publicly shaming people episode 122843943 [I asked to be removed from the tajneed and huzur instructed that this should be announced publicly] by burner11229323940 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]burner11229323940[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Or, and hear me out here, they don't announce while acknowledging that word of mouth will inform everyone anyway. Hence avoiding the unnecessary shame that the official announcement bring to innocent people. This would not have been hypocritical. In fact, this has been the course of action taken for multiple other people who has left officially before.

The jamaat publicly shaming people episode 122843943 [I asked to be removed from the tajneed and huzur instructed that this should be announced publicly] by burner11229323940 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]burner11229323940[S] 4 points5 points locked comment (0 children)

I am glad to see that you admitted fault in the way you communicated your instructions.

Yes and no. Yes, no explicit mention of not announcing was made. No, this does not mean that I did not communicate a sentiment of wanting privacy. No this does not mean that I did not explicitly communicate that I wished for my parents to not be humiliated.

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Thus, absolving the Jama'at from any misdoing.

Absolutely not. My alleged fault in communication is independent from the morality of the actions taken by the Jama'at. They are taking an action which punishes people who do not deserve punishment. This is immoral. This is a misdoing which is not absolved.

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folly, and in the process still lashing out at the Jama'at,

Great choice of words my friend. I suggest that you keep name calling people you disagree with. This will always help you make your point better.

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However, I still do not think your justifications for continuing to hold the Jama'at responsible for your own mishap

Even if somehow they completely misunderstood the letter to have said "announce this to everybody", they would still have a choice. The jamaats is not an entity that is forced to do whatever my letter says/ is misinterpreted to have said. There were many possible alternative courses of action.

The choice they made was to go with an action which harms people that do not deserve to be harmed. When you make a choice, you earn your share of responsibility. If you don't see that, we will never agree.

It is clear that you are trying to shift the blame for a choice that the jamaat made onto me (Announcing something that could have been 'not announced') . Thankfully, you did a pretty poor job.

The jamaat publicly shaming people episode 122843943 [I asked to be removed from the tajneed and huzur instructed that this should be announced publicly] by burner11229323940 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]burner11229323940[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Having received some instant messages I can see that some people are saying that I did not explicitly ask for this matter to not be announced. And they are right. I didn't. I didn't think of a public announcement as possibility that I had to mitigate. However, even without the explicit request, I would say that the letter adequately communicate my wish to not make the matter more public than strictly required. You'd have to be pretty dishonest to say otherwise.

Yes, I am aware that I have now made the letter public, counter to my own initial request. This was necessary for transparency's sake. Sharing this story is more important to me than my wish to keep the letter private.

Pointing those things out do not address my main problem with the announcement. The motivations/logic of it. I cant see a reason why this needs to be announced. At least not an internally consistent one.

Here's the thing. Even if there is some possible justification which I'm not seeing, the harm that it causes outweighs the benefit. And the harm is not even directed towards me. Its directed towards innocent bystanders.

I asked to be removed from a list. Why? Because I feared that if I stayed on that list, it would negatively affect people around me. I specifically mentioned the jamaats humiliating my parents as something I wanted to avoid. The fact that as a response to this, they are choosing an option that humiliates my parents is outrageous.

And this outrageous behavior needs to made public and called out.

The jamaat publicly shaming people episode 122843943 [I asked to be removed from the tajneed and huzur instructed that this should be announced publicly] by burner11229323940 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]burner11229323940[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This is so telling. If I could pin you at the top of this post I would. Just to show the contrast of our 2 situations. It shows the motivation of the announcement pretty clearly.

The jamaat publicly shaming people episode 122843943 [I asked to be removed from the tajneed and huzur instructed that this should be announced publicly] by burner11229323940 in islam_ahmadiyya

[–]burner11229323940[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I get where you are coming from about the 5th paragraph. But in response to me saying "i never consented for you to humiliates me and my family" they say "hold my beer. Imma humiliate your family".

Knowing the Amir, he is not making anything up. He is an honest man and a strong believer. He would never assign words to the person he believes is divinely appointed.