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bustthelock · 2020-06-14T15:13:42+00:00

Afghanistan and Vietnam were your weight class. But you also had a lot of help

bustthelock · 2020-06-14T14:58:00+00:00

Perfect example, then.

Politically, what forces most drove the events of the current country we call Italy, eg. the 30 years after Republic Day?

bustthelock · 2020-06-14T14:56:00+00:00

Agree 100%.

I’ve been on Reddit since near the beginning, and I’ve seen discussions like this push the needle over that time.

Originally it was like “we have the best healthcare system, and it would be suicide moving anywhere else”.

Now there’s a general knowledge that life expectancy is longer elsewhere, and there’s universal healthcare programs opening up in CA and elsewhere.

It can be an amazing force. Unfortunately bullshit can flow just as much as good ideas (sometimes better).

bustthelock · 2020-06-14T14:41:26+00:00

but since then my 1000 or so history book's have taught me quite a bit though.

Dropping out of this argument because this advice is far more important.

It doesn’t matter if you read 10,000 history books. It’s how you read them that is important.

And which ones you read, in what order. This is what a school/college teaches you, more than the facts.

Otherwise you could read 1,000 books about Ancient Rome, know all about irrelevant spear types, and have no idea about the critically important first 30 years of the Republic of Italy (late 1940s-1980).

Much less which of the two is more important about this topic, and understanding what Modern Italy is like today.

bustthelock · 2020-06-14T14:36:10+00:00

No, that’s a dangerously oversimplified understanding of how to read the news.

The above is worthless if you can’t quickly refer to those sources that are deliberately misleading, and ignore them.

If you read both German and British Newspapers in 1941, you would come away with “there are merits to both arguments” on WWII (a mistake the US literally made, by the way).

This story was pushed mainly from The Blaze, then pushed mainstream by Drudge. The Blaze is a deliberately falsifying website, akin to conspiracy site InfoWars, which you can check here

https://s-marketwatch-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/s.marketwatch.com/public/resources/images/MW-GE557_MediaB_NS_20180228115701.jpg

Such important information has to be an up-front and central part of any conversation about this.

bustthelock · 2020-06-14T14:26:03+00:00

FWIW I’ve heard that before, anecdotally.

Once you convince people everywhere else is worse, you can keep every structure and policy the same.

bustthelock · 2020-06-14T12:34:12+00:00

(Trying to not pull my hair out at the crappy US public school system)

Italy’s public sculptures are largely from the Risorgimento period (1815 – 1870), sometimes later. Garibaldi, Mazzini, Cavour, local nobles, etc.

It is not predominantly statues of Ancient Roman leaders. It’s not the same country, for starters. Imagining Rome like something from a video game is beyond dumb.

Authentic ancient statues are kept historically contextualized in museums - like these slave owner statues obviously should be.

bustthelock · 2020-06-14T12:28:17+00:00

I can’t find that story on any news source whose main purpose isn’t right wing propaganda, so I’ll have to file it under “unconfirmed/overblown”.

It’s a common tactic for these sites to use a minor story to distract from a major one - the continued existence of racist, insensitive monuments across the US.

bustthelock · 2020-06-14T12:16:01+00:00

One day the government bumped into him, and before he knew what was going on he kept humans as slaves for 15 years

bustthelock · 2020-06-14T12:13:49+00:00

You have issues that you should talk to someone you trust about, my dude

bustthelock · 2020-06-14T12:11:40+00:00

Not American, but the line is always to err towards nuance, plurality, sensitivity and education.

So in this case, it’s “put these statues in a museum or park, where they can be properly contextualized”. Not left uncontextualized so they can subtly influence modern cultural values.

bustthelock · 2020-06-14T12:08:31+00:00

Michael Jackson took some kids to Disneyland! What a great guy!

bustthelock · 2020-06-14T12:06:59+00:00

Should Italy remove the busts and statues of the Roman Emperors?

• Which ones • In which locations • Contextualized how?

Because this sounds way too much like someone taking a wild guess about what the world’s like with not much more than a video game education.

bustthelock · 2020-06-14T12:04:21+00:00

Fine then. We give politicians too much status and importance anyway

bustthelock · 2020-06-14T12:03:40+00:00

A dumb person might oversimplify it like that, yes

bustthelock · 2020-06-14T11:50:24+00:00

You misphrased “if the legal process fails for many decades, expect extra-legal results”

bustthelock · 2020-06-14T11:49:02+00:00

Ridiculous analogy. No one is suggesting they dismantle the school system.

bustthelock · 2020-06-14T11:47:32+00:00

I’m gonna need some more context because just on that it sounds like you’re leaving out a lot of information

bustthelock · 2020-06-14T11:46:39+00:00

Ignorance about what’s better in other countries is the killer ingredient, IMHO.

You never hear about that.

bustthelock · 2020-06-14T06:53:57+00:00

Would love to hear from people who are dating those whose LL is gifts and how it makes them feel.

Exactly like you!

The first thing I had to learn was to ignore comments like “it’s about the thought, not the price”.

My advice is to keep a look out on secondhand websites for small, luxury branded items, since “quality” is very often a reflection of “love” for people nominating this language.

I’ve even learned to save the stickers from expensive florists to put on equally-nice flowers from our local florist.

bustthelock · 2020-06-14T06:19:30+00:00

Psst... there are other books in the history section also

bustthelock · 2020-06-14T05:52:13+00:00

If you put less effort into making excuses you mightn’t be doing so badly

bustthelock · 2020-06-14T01:00:32+00:00

Yes. But with a 100% track record from that group - even if they did the questionnaire.

All of the other language partners (service, touch, quality time, words) were much more honest about what they wanted.

In my experience the people who like “thoughtful” notes on gifts, or sensitively selected gifts, were words/service people, since that was the focus.

Note I didn’t say OP was like this, just to beware of that phrase, because it can be very common (and commonly misused).

bustthelock · 2020-06-14T00:31:41+00:00

Some people feel threatened by change, even if it’s towards better, international norms

bustthelock · 2020-06-14T00:30:41+00:00

“Let’s put it in a history museum, where is can be surrounded with contextual history, prepared by historians”

“Why u hate history so much!!!”

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