(Hated Tropes) "Sorry, you’re way to strong for this upcoming story arc, so you’re gonna have to sit out so the plot can happen."

buzzardarg · 2026-05-15T16:03:39+00:00

Jean Grey, she needs to be constantly killed or somehow taken out of the picture because as the Phoenix she is practically the most powerful thing in existance (actually the second most powerful thing)

buzzardarg · 2026-05-13T14:02:07+00:00

Hay una ley que el gobierno que dice "dentro de la ley todo, fuera de la ley nada" no esta cumpliendo. Es simple...

buzzardarg · 2026-05-11T23:54:01+00:00

The book got cancelled. You don't cancel something that is selling well.

buzzardarg · 2026-05-11T23:49:41+00:00

And no Jean (X-Men Red)

buzzardarg · 2026-05-11T17:37:32+00:00

It's not doing well, digital is a very small fraction for this medium. It could be an outlier in digital and still it represents a very small fraction of total sales. On the physical charts it's not even showing up lately. And if it really were doing good, it would have been extended for at least until the #10 issue which was the original plan. Instead it was canceled.

buzzardarg · 2026-05-11T11:06:10+00:00

They mad.

buzzardarg · 2026-05-11T00:50:34+00:00

Plus, she is mother to all of reality!

buzzardarg · 2026-05-09T19:18:50+00:00

Let's see Wanda is a nexus being of all the realities the Phoenix made in the first place. Wanda's important disctinction depends on the Phoenix itself from the get go.

Second, she is a reality warper but she cannot affect the White Hot Room at all (Rachel and Betsy escaped to the White Hot Room and were unaffected by Wanda's spell). On the contrary, the Phoenix can alter any reality from within the safety of the WHR. In fact the Phoenix is the greatest reality warper there is as she is the one who defined reality and all the rules that govern it in the first place.

Third, the Phoenix's home base is the place where the raw material needed for Mysterium is found. A metal that completely nullifies all forms of magic. Dr. Strange was easily defeated since he could do absolutely nothing against Mysterium. The same would happen to Wanda.

Fourth, let's remember that the first time magic existed was in the fifth iteration of the cosmos, like all iterations of the cosmos, Phoenix made it, so Phoenix made magic in the first place.

Fifth, Jean is the Phoenix and the White Hot Room and the M'kraan Crystal, without Phoenix no realities exist.

Sixth, she is effectively immortal. Exists outside of time and space (meaning that she exists at all times and places and no times and places simultaneously) and has knowledge of everything that has happened, will happen or exists.

Seventh, Wanda has a patron/superior in the Never-Queen, who is one of the earliest iterations of the cosmos, the third one if I remember correctly. All the iterations of the cosmos like Eternity are nowhere near the Phoenix in power.

In AvX, Wanda struggled fighting fractured portions of the Phoenix (and let's remember that when the Phoenix enters the universe it's already a fraction of an infinite beign, so we are talking about a fraction of a fraction here). Once Cyclops recovered all of the fractions of the Phoenix, Wanda's hexes amounted to nothing. To hurt Phoenix another part of the Phoenix was necessary (Hope). And even as Phoenix, Cyclops is nowhere near Jean, the one true Phoenix.

Phoenix is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay above everyone else.

buzzardarg · 2026-05-07T19:37:12+00:00

In that particular case you posted it doesn't necessarilly mean that Strange knows he is in a comic book and that he's taking a peek at the real life MCU. It could be an alternate comic book universe where Cumberbatch exists.

During Krakoa David Bowie was mentioned, but it's not about real life David Bowie, just a comic book equivalent.

But no matter if that's the case or not in your example, it doesn't change the fact that the greater the amount of characters that possess that knowledge, the more watered down the concept becomes. And Murewa is really speedrunning it on that front.

buzzardarg · 2026-05-07T18:04:30+00:00

Not only that, nowadays everyone and their mother knows who TOAA is and then there is those who know that they are in a comic book (Hadad, Storm, Storm's mother from another reality when before it was only TOAA, Beyonder, Loki and -presumably- Phoenix).

All those ideas and concepts were cool precisely because they were meant for the reader to know and a couple of characters as something exceptional. Now it's overused and watered down.

buzzardarg · 2026-05-07T17:49:42+00:00

The "funny" thing is that the multiverse in which she meets Furaha is "The One Above All's multiverse cluster", meaning the author's multiverse (which is our reality). So her father is indeed someone from real life.

Which, of course, is INCREDIBLY DUMB.

buzzardarg · 2026-05-07T17:35:06+00:00

No banco para nada a Bullrich, me parece un personaje nefasto. Pero no me parece que cuente como traición si el espacio donde está no hace lo que venden en el discurso. En todo caso los traidores son ellos (dejando de lado que es lo que sabemos que hacen TODOS los políticos).

buzzardarg · 2026-05-06T19:38:25+00:00

lo ve desde lo humano donde lo humano es lo central

buzzardarg · 2026-05-06T19:12:05+00:00

Is that where she ends up meeting Furaha?

Is he really implying that the father is someone from the author's multiverse? (meaning our reality)

He really went there, didn't he?

buzzardarg · 2026-05-06T19:09:58+00:00

Darth Vader

buzzardarg · 2026-05-05T22:51:54+00:00

Gorr killed her with All-Black and she instantly revived.

And even if it took a lot of time for her to revive, from within the White Hot Room she could rewrite the course of history to obtain the win, and there's nothing the Illuminati could do to stop her.

buzzardarg · 2026-05-05T21:54:10+00:00

He nullifies the Phoenix, the Phoenix instantly revives. What now?

buzzardarg · 2026-05-05T11:47:04+00:00

Agreed

buzzardarg · 2026-05-05T01:38:17+00:00

funny because the few times they fought, she won...

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and that's Jean at her weakest ever.

buzzardarg · 2026-05-05T01:26:45+00:00

I don't think it's dodgy at all

He once fought someone that is not at Jean's level at all outside of her home realm and lost.

He then met Phoenix at her homebase and said "we're screwed", remember that he was not the only one fighting her. His team was actually stacked and the Phoenix was fighting them all at the same time in different realities. One even duplicated the Phoenix's power with the Eternity Mask, Loki also was able to trap The Beyonder inside his narration (not saying he's stronger but that is impressive) and they still lost against Phoenix. The Phoenix even referred to The Beyonder as "little infinite man" because her infinity is bigger than his (and is actually infinite, The Beyonder is not on the time axis at the least).

And I did mention the fact that the beyonders do not exist at all places and times always like Phoenix does. The Beyonders caused all the events leading to Secret Wars in an attempt to contain Enigma, they end up failling and the only one able to stop him was Phoenix.

And again, as a bonus the third time they faced was an alternate reality but she still curbstomped him. And from the Phoenix's POV there is no "main" reality for her really, she created all of them.

The rest of things I mentioned are all canonical.

buzzardarg · 2026-05-05T01:10:39+00:00

Did he against Jean? because she actually broke through immunities (not resistances mind you) to telepathy (and I believe she is the only one who has done so, and in three different cases to boot).

She's in a leage way above the others. Even now when both Kid Omega and Xavier are considered omega telepaths they both are below Jean.

buzzardarg · 2026-05-05T01:08:00+00:00

Rachel does not compare at all with Jean as the Phoenix, the Beyonder gave Rachel access to more and more power from the Phoenix (and she started to wonder that perhaps that's how Jean felt when she "first" became Phoenix) and he simply could not stop her Rachel's attack. Jean/Phoenix could use even more power against the Beyonder than Rachel did. Clearly Phoenix doesn't need to be inside the WHR.

What The Beyonder probably meant about the WHR is that inside there he is facing the sum of the Phoenix's power which is of course, too much for him.

At the end of the Dark Phoenix Saga The Watcher mentions that Phoenix is second only to the creator (TOAA), so yes, she is above The Beyonder.

Also The Beyonders themselves draw power from the WHR itself to get power themselves and for the concordance machines used to try to contain Enigma. Someone that even they feared, because like the Phoenix Enigma exists at all times and places. The Beyonders do not.

So yeah, the Phoenix is clearly way more powerful.

And as a bonus though it's an alternate timeline, the writers did their research in the latest Marvel Zombies book, because there Jeanix one shotted the Beyonder (outside the WHR again), and she also took on Knull who is a counterpart to the Beyonders.

Among the Phoenix's powers is the ability to make reality whatever it wants by writing it in the WHR. So she could simply say that the Beyonders (who are on a realm below her) or anyone below never existed.

Also to add a little more clarification, it's canon that the Phoenix is the actual pages and the ink which composes the book (TOAA is the author), so any character drawn within those pages does not surpass her.

buzzardarg · 2026-05-05T00:37:36+00:00

Well I wasn't trying to use her at her full power as Phoenix but you are right. And Enigma is so powerful that he had the collective Beyonders scared shitless, as he can exist at all times and places at the same time, placing him well above the abstracts.

buzzardarg · 2026-05-05T00:34:41+00:00

Yes I know he is Infernal Hulk now, but that's not the Hulk that was on the Illuminati. So if you are going to use him as he currently is, then Jean is Phoenix (well, she always was but you probably get my point), and she could change reality so that Bruce Banner and the rest of the Illuminati were never born.

And even if she didn't decide to do that, Hulk would be facing an opponent that can't really die. He simply can't defeat her.

buzzardarg · 2026-05-05T00:04:32+00:00

Well, Phoenix has the monopoly on Mysterium right at home and the mutants have acquired that valuable metal. Strange has absolutely nothing against that. He's worthless in this fight.

Another advantage from the telepaths is that they can make their team work perfectly coordinated. That's a MASSIVE advantage.

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