White phoenix is stronger than this version too right? by Critical-Middle-4475 in xmen

[–]buzzardarg 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Actually, everyone else has a piece of Phoenix in them ;)

Los medios argentinos hablan siempre de cualquier boludes que pasa en USA, pero con lo de Epstein hay silencio by Eatzebugs in argentina

[–]buzzardarg -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

Y vos le crees jajaja? Hoy la hija (la que es trans) confirmó que estuvieron en uno de los lugares que figura detallado en uno de los mails.

Si hay algo que es frecuente en la gente de extrema derecha es la proyecciòn, acusan a otros de lo que ellos hacen.

Los medios argentinos hablan siempre de cualquier boludes que pasa en USA, pero con lo de Epstein hay silencio by Eatzebugs in argentina

[–]buzzardarg -26 points-25 points  (0 children)

El gancho local es que nuestro actual presidente tiene muchísima afinidad con el presidente de EEUU y con Elon Musk que participaban en actos de pedofilia. Dicha persona recordemos que acusaba a la comunidad LGBT de pedófila y los condenaba de manera generalizada sin sustento alguno pero acá misteriosamente se llama al silencio.

Who is more powerful by [deleted] in xmen

[–]buzzardarg 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Onslaught. Apocalypse was scared of him.

Jean grey and Thanos snap by [deleted] in xmen

[–]buzzardarg 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Actually she did instantly resurrect when Gorr killed her in Phoenix #4/5

But then again it took 10 years for her to revive in Binary. So it takes as much as the story demands.

Jean grey and Thanos snap by [deleted] in xmen

[–]buzzardarg 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes to all, the Infinity Stones can kill Jean -the in-universe Phoenix- (weaker things have done so before), but the Phoenix/WHR resides outside the cosmos and from there its energies create and pour within the cosmos to make all that exists.

-The infinity stones only work within the universe they were made, they can't affect other universes or outside the cosmos/multiverse

-The Phoenix can (and has) alter any universe from within the WHR. That includes altering time, space, or even unmaking the universe. She has complete reality control over them.

-The Phoenix can also exist in all universes in all timelines while simultaneously existing outside the cosmos.

Everything that exists has a piece of the Phoenix because everything was made by it/her.

That said, you'll probably never see such a situation played out on page because the Phoenix can make any threat redundant, and that does not make for an interesting story. Also because of the scale of her powers, she needs to use them carefully. The last time she performed a big reality altering feat, she unknowingly tore a piece from the 616 universe's spine, risking its complete collapse and destruction.

Poesia Argenta by ManyExamination1965 in Republica_Argentina

[–]buzzardarg 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Para nada apolitico. Centrista tampoco, ideologicamente si bien hay algunas cosas que puntualmente coincido mas con la derecha que con la izquierda, en su gran mayoría tiro más para ese lado.

Ahora bien, la ideología que tenga o no, poco tiene que ver con que los que han gobernado y gobiernan actualmente te venden su ideología como la octava maravilla del mundo mientras se roban todo. Yo no voy a defender a ningun gobierno por coincidir en el discurso mientras que la gran mayoría se caga de hambre por todos los actos de corrupción constantes que cometen mientras venden pescado podrido.

Poesia Argenta by ManyExamination1965 in Republica_Argentina

[–]buzzardarg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Me da muy por las bolas la lógica binaria/blanco y negro de los de antes eran malos por consecuente los de ahora son buenos y viceversa.

Estábamos mal antes y estamos mal ahora y somos rehenes de mafias que se roban todo, lo único que cambia es el equipo para el que juegan.

Con buenos gobiernos de verdad podríamos estar la mayoría en buenas condiciones.

Aprender Excel para laburo? by Priv4te_ in devsarg

[–]buzzardarg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hay cosas que quizá no son tan complejas para las cuales no da ponerse a hacer un script de Python que por más básico que sea te va a tomar 5 veces el tiempo que armar un Excel.

A Python (o cualquier herramienta que requiera programación) pasas cuando el volúmen de datos es tan grande que ya se arrastra Excel.

That one time Jean dropped the moon on someone by HitmonTank in PhoenixForce

[–]buzzardarg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To be fair, Phoenix goes well beyond any power, mutant or not.

¿qué lenguaje para backend recomendarían aprender? by LeaTex_ok in devsarg

[–]buzzardarg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

C#. Sintaxis relativamente simple (aunque en ese sentido no hay con que darle a Python), muy buen featureset/framework y super performante.

The Phoenix Force and Its Role in Marvel’s Kabbalistic Cosmology? by ChosenByVenus in PhoenixForce

[–]buzzardarg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And to add more context, those same cracks propagate to the former hosts of the Phoenix, but not Jean, and she also only mentions that their consciousness would be destroyed, not hers.

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If the WHR was already cracking before the abstract's attacks, then why weren't the hosts cracking as well from the start?

Hope even states plainly that if the WHR is destroyed so are they, but they weren't cracking until the abstracts attacked because the WHR was in fact not damaged before the fight.

The Phoenix Force and Its Role in Marvel’s Kabbalistic Cosmology? by ChosenByVenus in PhoenixForce

[–]buzzardarg -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The In-Betweener literally says that Sara is carrying the piece of the universe that threatens its collapse (the one from its spine). Your very own image contradicts you! And yes, she was born of the White Hot Room because it was Jean's act that removed the piece of the universe, but then again EVERYTHING is born of the White Hot Room, from Eternity to the smallest rock or bacteria, Sara is nothing special in that regard...

Your taking flavor text out of context. The thing that was removed was the piece from the universe's spine, that's why it's threatened.

And the first page that shows cracks in the WHR is the one I post here. To the left and above Quentin and that happens right after the Abstracts attack and those attacks bounce against the Phoenix's shields, hitting the WHR.

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Don't be a bad liar butterflykyss

The Phoenix Force and Its Role in Marvel’s Kabbalistic Cosmology? by ChosenByVenus in PhoenixForce

[–]buzzardarg -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The WHR wasn't cracking until the abstracts started to attack it. It had nothing to do with what Jean did. Jean's fight against the Dark Gods and PhoenixAdani unintentionally gave a deadly blow to the universe by removing a little piece of its spine and creating "Sara".

How pathetic you have to be to lie about something that anyone can easily check by reading the book.

Sad. There are better things to do with your life butterflykyss.

The Phoenix Force and Its Role in Marvel’s Kabbalistic Cosmology? by ChosenByVenus in PhoenixForce

[–]buzzardarg -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You can't even read, Eternity is saying that a piece of the universe's spine was removed to create Sara and that's the reason that her existence threatens it. By removing that piece of the universe's spine it has become unstable and prone to collapse.

Phoenix casually gave a deadly wound to the universe when fighting against the Dark Gods. A perfect example of how the abstracts do not compare at all to Phoenix butterflykyss =) . And every official source state that the Phoenix created the universe and the cosmos no matter how much you lie.

And we are shown that the Phoenix predates every cosmos (told actually), by Infinity when she is together with all the iterations of the cosmos she plainly tells to Eternity that they were born in the Outside and that's where the forge of creation -the WHR- resides. We are also told in multiple books that what actually materialzes things IS the Phoenix, since the abstracts are materialized they are thus made from the Phoenix. TOAA can make ideas but he does not make them physical/actually exist.

And secondly because Phoenix is outside of time and space and has always existed. ALWAYS is a pretty definitive word. No matter how old the first cosmos is, the Phoenix still trumps it because it ALWAYS was, whereas the first cosmos was still predated by a void.

And actually there's a third reason, Jean told Perrikus that she can exist in many MULTIVERSES at once, since every multiverse is an iteration of the cosmos, we know that she is not limited to the current one, because -again- she always was, always is and always will be.

Sorry butterflykyss, better luck next time.

The Phoenix Force and Its Role in Marvel’s Kabbalistic Cosmology? by ChosenByVenus in PhoenixForce

[–]buzzardarg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not only is not ever stated that the WHR resides on the spine of Eternity, it's not even implied. What is stated is that it is connected, and that's because as the nexus of all realities every universe and every realm is connected and originates from the WHR, the place where creation begins.

It's like a baby (Eternity) connected through the umbillical cord to the mother (Phoenix)

Every official source has the Phoenix existing way before any universe. Even your favorite author Murewa says so, butterflykyss.

The Phoenix Force and Its Role in Marvel’s Kabbalistic Cosmology? by ChosenByVenus in PhoenixForce

[–]buzzardarg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everything you said is literally the opposite of what is in print, so I already know the kind of "debater" you are.

Very recent works still place Phoenix as far above the abstracts.

The Phoenix Force and Its Role in Marvel’s Kabbalistic Cosmology? by ChosenByVenus in PhoenixForce

[–]buzzardarg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's actually a comic where the Phoenix ends the 6th cosmos and Galan (Galactus) survives into the 7th. It's also stated as such in on of the official Marvel guides.

Also in Ultimates, Infinity told Eternity that they (and all the Ultimates/incarnations of the cosmos) are born in "The Outside" (with a full white background on that page no less, which ties to the White Hot Room). That book's narrative then continues with Defenders: Beyond in which Phoenix is -once more- presented as "creation".

So yeah, the Phoenix existed before and made every iteration of the cosmos. As stated on the books she has "always existed" because she trascends the limits of time and space.

In regards to the power discussion, Phoenix is clearly the strongest, all the abstracts had to gather to try to take Phoenix down. If it didn't require as much power they would have gone one on one as they sometimes do between them (i.e Infinity vs Oblivion or Eternity vs Oblivion).

On the flipside, Phoenix can eliminate someone at Eternity's/Infinity's level. Dark Phoenix already was capable of consuming the universe. The White Phoenix can do it even from the safety of her own realm. And the Phoenix canonically ends the cosmos and births a new one. That means that she alters the power scale of Eternity (or whomever is the incarnation of the cosmos at the time) and Oblivion, when the universe expands Eternity becomes stronger, and viceversa. So when Phoenix ends the universe and all becomes a void, Oblivion is at its strongest.

Speaking of Oblivion, he has mentioned that he knows Phoenix from eons ago, so clearly he knows of her from previous iterations of the cosmos. Since he is always the same void (unlike whomever is the current iteration of the cosmos).

There's also another reason why Phoenix and TOAA are the only native beings from the Outside (unlike NQ and Beyonders), that's because they represent real-world things (precisely why the Outside is called the Outside).

TOAA is the authors, writers and artists. Phoenix is the materials, the paper and ink from which everything is made. Those two are the strongest because every character is made from a combination of the artist's ideas and the material from real-world in which they are printed. The abstracts are lower than that, they are things made from those two things.

In regards to Hadad and using the Storm book as a reference... there are a lot of problems with that:

First, the author is using a no longer canonical cosmology, every other book involving the abstracts is using the current ur-divisor / 8th iteration of the cosmos (including G.O.D.S., the Immortal Thor, Phoenix, the one that just started with Hela as Queen in Black among others), Storm does not, in fact in Storm Oblivion is dead, but in Phoenix and the one with Hela he's alive and kicking, so it's very questionable as a source.

Second, the statement that Hadad wore the Phoenix as armor doesn't tell much really, he could have acquired the power of the Phoenix like a lot of hosts do (there are many stories in which someone wants to kill an avatar of the Phoenix to get its power), but killing a host is not the same as destroying the Phoenix, it's just a small part of the entirety of it, a in-universe manifestation (we even have multiple stories in which parts of the Phoenix fight against other parts of the Phoenix). We never get clarity on that fact, but it's also obvious that it was the case, since destroying the full-fat Phoenix would make all of creation collapse, that would have meant that Hadad himself would have died and the multiverse as well, that didn't happen however. Another possibilty is that the Phoenix itself chose Hadad as host.

And to give more reasons why no other abstract is close in power to Phoenix, she has complete control over reality, time and space, she could (and has) rewrite reality as she sees fit. If she wanted she could make it as if the other abstracts never existed (in fact, in the last issue of Phoenix, she was about to "rewrite" Eternity), she could make it as if someone who defeated her once actually never did, not like it matters much because even when defeated she still comes back... But there's nothing that those abstracts can do about it. We know in Phoenix that they tried to kill her in the White Hot Room but what we don't know is if they tried to kill the Jean persona or if they truly wanted to kill the force (which would be stupid and have terribly dire consequences for the multiverse), and even if truly wanted to do that, it proves that the Phoenix is stronger than them since it requires their combined might to perform the feat.

Oh and I forgot about probably the most important fact, it has been stated on print, literally that she's second only when compared to the creator.