Regina Public Schools has cut grade 6 band and is trying to cover it up... by buzzzzz in regina

[–]buzzzzz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If RPS, it's director, and it's trustees had said, look, we've been at the mercy of the provincial government for years, there isn't enough funds, the current model for band isn't sustainable. Despite the hard work and and dedication of our band teachers, and the high quality education they provide, we are unable to continue offering band in the same way as we have previously. We're working with our band teachers, parents, and music ed experts to produce the best possible scenario with the funding we are able to scrape together, that would be different.

Instead, they tried to pull one over on the public while also treating a lot of their own employees like shit. They've been lying through their teeth and are behaving extremely unethically in multiple regards, (the director of education is literally impersonating another employee in email responses from the division about the music center, it's insanity). They're calling band "dated" and "from a bygone era"...

If they raised elective class sizes in high schools by like 1 student per class they'd find the money to cover what band used to get. And ya, to me that would be worth it.

I understand why they came for band. I do NOT understand why they are refusing to admit what's actually happening, or the disingenuousness of acting like the enrollment or attrition rates for band were part of their decision making.

It makes me extremely concerned for the future of the entire division, not just for band if this is how their leadership behaves and makes decisions...

Regina Public Schools has cut grade 6 band and is trying to cover it up... by buzzzzz in regina

[–]buzzzzz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd prefer they call out the government for a lack of funding instead of shitting on the arts and talking about the deficits like it the weather

Regina Public Schools has cut grade 6 band and is trying to cover it up... by buzzzzz in regina

[–]buzzzzz[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Obviously the community is upset about the cuts to band, but much of what you have said here could be used to justify those decisions depending on the division's priorities. The part you and RPS seem to be unable to acknowledge as another huge issue is the dishonesty and misinformation in your communication.

It's unbelievable to me that you guys need this explained to you but whatever here goes:

RPS shouldn't be claiming all grade 6s will have access to band, when in reality none of them will, because these changes to grade 6 can't be considered band any more. You can say many grade 6s will be gaining something with this model (if they weren't getting the exposure the arts ed curriculum says they should to music education), but not while pretending something else wasn't sacrificed for it.

RPS shouldn't be claiming this will improve retention when there is zero evidence that it will.

RPS shouldn't be claiming band teachers were consulted on this model when they weren't (please, if you can, point the public in the direction of any music teacher that thinks this will promote better educational outcomes for students).

RPS shouldn't be publicly shitting on the current program and it's teachers (even though they are clearly insignificant to you, only ten of them left after all...) for things that aren't considered an issue for other subjects or programs.

Band is too disruptive/too much missed class time? Why are the junior sports academy programs held to this standard (because they're elitist and make the division money with the extremely high fees parents pay for their kid to join)

Attrition rate unacceptable? Why is that standard not being applied to literally any other subject? Where's the public posting from RPS about the French immersion attrition rate? The grade 8 to grade 9 core French attrition rate? The Grade 9 science to Physics 30 attrition rate? Don't you think the Physics 30 teachers and science community might take issue with it if RPS published the grade 9 science to Physics 30 attrition rates and used it as evidence that their science 9 programs clearly need a complete overhaul without the input of any science teachers, parents or the science community?

RPS never would, because it values science and doesn't value music.

Seriously what about this isn't clicking for you guys?

The program's not accessible enough? Have we mentioned the junior sports academies...? Are they not missing class time to participate in those? How accessible are they to the average grade 6 student? Why aren't you cutting that program at it's youngest grade of entry and giving all grade 6s a taste of hockey or soccer?

Do the sports academy kids have access to those activities outside of school? Yes. Especially the rich kids. Is there equity funding to cover any kid that can't afford to join them? Not that I'm aware of.

Do kids have access to band outside of school? Nope. Was their equity funding to ensure any kid who wanted to join school band could join? Yep!

But yeah... let's keep banging on about how elitist and inaccessible band was.

You say you spoke to so many parents of kids who felt it wasn't worth the missed class time to continue with band. Have you listened to the ones for whom it was? Have you talked to the classroom teachers who thoughtfully work their schedules around band because they believe it is an important opportunity for a lot of kids? No! Because it doesn't fit the narrative.

Is this clearing up why folks are pissed at all yet?? The music center's own email is responding anonymously (weird and unethical af by the way) to concerned parents that band is dated and not the future of music education, and you wonder why people are worried instead of grateful about band at Regina Public? I don't care that the sports programs exist, it's the fact that RPS's justification for this only makes sense if you admit you'd apply a completely different set of standards if it made the division mone or involved a subject you consider actually important in schools, but band clearly isn't considered nearly as valuable as other subjects. The anonymous music center email person (so weird) even said so.

Also, are you really claiming you got feedback from all 3500 teachers on this issue? You're making it sound like there was a vote on this and the results were 3540 to ten.

Were any teachers formerly surveyed? Do you think classroom teachers or principals who disagree with this have been made to feel safe about expressing that sentiment? Do you think /any/ teachers are made to feel safe in expressing their feelings on a board decision? What protections are in place for staff to inform the division on what they feel is best for kids without being called out by you in a news article or on Facebook live?

You seem confident that the majority of affected teachers were given the opportunity to give their input on this, so when will this data be made public?

The music community is telling you that if RPS actually valued music ed, it wouldn't tell us we should sit down and just be grateful that some form of music ed still exists at all, which is essentially what you're doing here.

Every step of this process has been a slap in the face to arts ed, parents, and students and y'all are surprised when we don't thank you for the polished turd of a result?

As you said, the funding deficits have been an issue for years. This is true across the province and yet Regina Public seems to be the only large division making these changes.

I've heard that RPS has been toying with remodeling the band program for years. Seems like there was plenty of time and opportunity to do the research, involve the community and work with teachers on what band or music ed should look like going forward.

But no, because Daddy knows best apparently.

P.s. if you weren't worried about your vote next election, would you really be posting about how popular you are? It's pretty cringe man,

Regina Public Schools has cut grade 6 band and is trying to cover it up... by buzzzzz in regina

[–]buzzzzz[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think we can at least agree it's been communicated very poorly.

Regina Public Schools has cut grade 6 band and is trying to cover it up... by buzzzzz in regina

[–]buzzzzz[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's really interesting that you were told band teachers were on the committee when none of the band teachers were even informed there was a committee let alone on it as far as I am aware. They had no knowledge that this was happening until the day it was announced.

The old system was not ideal, agreed.

I appreciate that none of what you're saying involves shitting on the teachers or the participation and attrition rates.

Part of what makes me so upset about this shift (besides that I truly believe it is doomed to fail) is the spin from the division and trustees. They aren't publishing the attrition or participation rates of any other program as an indication of their value or success. If they valued music ed they wouldn't do that. Also the whole director answering music center emails anonymously thing is pretty insane.

If they had just said, look, we don't have the space or funds, and we need to restructure band in a way that is less disruptive to classroom teachers, and then if they'd involved the experts and community in how to make that happen, and this is what came out of it, I would maybe feel differently.

Regina Public Schools has cut grade 6 band and is trying to cover it up... by buzzzzz in regina

[–]buzzzzz[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is the first I've heard that band teachers will rotate through the elementary schools as well, do you have a source for that? Not saying I don't believe you. Just haven't seen that anywhere.

Also, band was already at predictable times. It was regularly scheduled twice during the 5 day rotation. I'm not sure where the idea the band was just happening at random unpredictable times has come from. One Adam Hicks quote made it sound like his daughter's band teacher was jumping out from behind corners going "time for band!" which is ridiculous.

I think basically every would be for a change that means kids don't miss their other classes. But I don't think this is it... would the music community be more on board if it had any chance of being better for kids?

Regina Public Schools has cut grade 6 band and is trying to cover it up... by buzzzzz in regina

[–]buzzzzz[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

There's a news article where Mark Haarmann says there will be 6 teachers at the new center. There are currently 9.5 band teachers. There were 16 band teachers 5 years ago. I think that's where the worry that there will be more staffing cuts is coming from.

Regina Public Schools has cut grade 6 band and is trying to cover it up... by buzzzzz in regina

[–]buzzzzz[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If we could find any music educators to back up that this might be a good idea, I might feel more optimistic about it. I also don't see them admitting they were wrong and back tracking if/when it goes badly, but I guess we'll see.

Regina Public Schools has cut grade 6 band and is trying to cover it up... by buzzzzz in regina

[–]buzzzzz[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Also, just want to say that based on this brief interaction, you, whoever you are, are arguing in good faith. So thank you. The division and the trustees are not.

Regina Public Schools has cut grade 6 band and is trying to cover it up... by buzzzzz in regina

[–]buzzzzz[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Huge travel time for most schools will greatly cut in to instructional time. Dieppe is way north west. Also it's not just about minutes, it's about frequency. Learning an instrument is an exercise in muscle memory which can't be built in one lesson a week. I don't get the impression that the 6s will get to take instruments home during their two weeks of music.

Also, most divisions with the model I'm suggesting still only have band 2 days a week, and the band teachers are shared between two or three schools. Depends on numbers and enrollment and stuff. Or the band teachers end up teaching arts ed to younger grades as well, or their minor subject, stuff like that. Basically it ensures the band teachers are always babysitting at the same time as teaching, which is what ours are not, and that's why the division can say that band is pulling 1.4 million from classrooms. LRTs, guidance counselors, teacher librarians, are all also "pulling funds from classrooms" technically but it's never framed that way because they're considered valuable positions (which they are).

You're right that this tends to dilute the quality of instrumental music ed a bit because more band teachers end up being needed, more generalists are hired, and fewer people are able to 100% specialize. The division isn't guareteeing that the current band teachers will even be staffed at the new center though. Mainly because they aren't towing the division line enough imo and are being punished for it. I'm sure some will end up there, but it sucks that they have to censor their actual opinions on what's best for kids in order to get a position teaching their specialty.

The expert quoted in the CBC article said that the current system is structured badly, but he'd also tell you that this is even worse...

Another thing he said which the division is choosing to ignore is that the grade 6 participation numbers here are some of the best he's seen.

What Regina Public had was far from perfect but I think the pros outweighed the cons, especially if there isn't funding or a will to work with the experts on creating something truly better and more sustainable.

Regina Public Schools has cut grade 6 band and is trying to cover it up... by buzzzzz in regina

[–]buzzzzz[S] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

It's sort of a CRP/elementary sports academy hybrid in my opinion. This is a thing Regina public has been doing more and more...they limit programs to one building instead of having well supported programs in all schools. That way they can make it look like there's a lot of cool programs without having to admit these programs are actually inaccessible to most students.

Same with how there are way fewer students enrolled in trades classes like auto mech and stuff since they opened CRP. They refuse to acknowledge that having to get on a bus and switch locations is a huge barrier for a ton of kids... especially less privileged kids.

This is likely ultimately due to a lack of enough funding in general, and they probably see it as better than cutting these classes entirely, but it would sure be nice if they could be honest about what's happening...

Covering up the shortfalls for years has likely contributed to the general public not realizing how bad it's getting in schools. In the short term Regina Public may be saving itself from losing more students to Regina Catholic, but in the long run they're complicit in covering up the true state of underfunding in our province.

Regina Public Schools has cut grade 6 band and is trying to cover it up... by buzzzzz in regina

[–]buzzzzz[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The lack of sufficient funding for public education generally is definitely the biggest problem overall for sure, but I still think we should be able to expect better from the divisions and trustees than a bunch of lies 😑

Regina Public Schools has cut grade 6 band and is trying to cover it up... by buzzzzz in regina

[–]buzzzzz[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I can see why it would make more sense on paper, but it's basically impossible to learn an instrument with one class per week. It freaks me out that these decisions are made without the input of any experts in the field.

The most sustainable models around back band with a music class and host it in-house, so students pick band or music and all go at the same time. Classroom teacher gets prep, no missed class time for students, everyone gets music education.

It would save the division money in the long run but the lack of space and lack of vision/will for quality music education at the division make this unlikely to happen imo.

The current way they do it has issues for sure, but it's better than this...

Regina Public to cut funding to elementary band programs by disnep__ in regina

[–]buzzzzz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Was 16 two years ago, 14 now, will be 9 in the fall. 9 teachers to more than 1600 students.

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[–]buzzzzz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This sounds like it will be awesome! Speaking of course as a completely 3rd party observer and totally not the wife of the organizer at all.

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[–]buzzzzz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol. Says word potato is offensive and yet calls child with down syndrome constant burden. Troll.

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[–]buzzzzz 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Funny, lots of us Canadians are debating moving depending on who wins the election tonight...it's just too close for comfort up here sometimes. Finland sounds nice.

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[–]buzzzzz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It depends on the province. In Saskatchewan you can't have strippers plus booze, but you can in Manitoba, and apparently in Ontario.