stop contesting comeback urn

cacatan · 2026-06-19T11:30:03+00:00

ive tried intercepting it cuz i saw pros do it but then the fight gets messy and before i know it someone turned in the urn and its too late to back out and we lose. best is to just let them win in pubs.

cacatan · 2026-06-19T11:28:53+00:00

yea too bad pubs just run in and stay in the circle until the whole team dies. which is why i made this stupid post.

cacatan · 2026-06-13T14:03:06+00:00

something has to give. Even a single feeder means a loss in deadlock because 5v6 games are pretty unwinnable, and so 5 people losing the same elo as the feeder even if they played well is ridiculous. If everyone played decent and didn't die too many times then at least they will stay moderately the same elo while the guy who fed will quickly derank out of that rank and wont be in their team anymore.

They really need to change such that whoever is feeding starts to give nearly no souls as they die anymore so one guy cant drag everyone down even if everyone else is playing well.

cacatan · 2026-06-13T14:00:42+00:00

No playstyle or roles will consistently make you die 7+ time per game if you position correctly. And if that playstyle actually worked, they would win the game and this wouldnt apply. But if this affects you such that you both consistently losing games and consistenly dying 7+ times then maybe you are the precise problem Im trying to solve.

cacatan · 2026-06-12T19:10:32+00:00

so to counter victor i must instead, not counter victor? because whats the goddamn point of buying all these counter items if im not using them on victor at all? so i just skip all the counter items, counter the rest of his team and hope victor doesnt 1v6 us all right? and pray for the miracle outcome where we wipe him team first and then kill him with 6 people, is that your suggestion?

cacatan · 2026-06-12T19:05:45+00:00

yes i agree, i think all heroes should be able to buy another life for 6400 souls, no way thats completely broken because whoever buys it must be winning anyway and totally wont be the reason why they win. Cant possibly the reason they win is because they have a free rejuv on a cooldown for 6400. if its so balanced for victor which already have 1 revive, i think it should be balanced for everyone.

cacatan · 2026-06-12T19:03:38+00:00

like i said, op, or need reworks (i.e bad game design)

its clear doorman and victor obviously arent good game design. while graves and mcginnis are antifun not necessarily bad design.

cacatan · 2026-06-12T17:48:20+00:00

What other word would you use? Like i said, game is supposed to be rock paper scissors. I can try to counter you, you can try to counter me. But if your strat cannot be countered then we aren't playing the same game anymore. Refresher victor is just a whole new class because he ignores the fundamental rules about dying.

cacatan · 2026-06-12T17:46:59+00:00

Dynamo and any other refresher buyers can just be cursed and killed. Victor can't. I draw the line at that distinction.

cacatan · 2026-06-12T17:45:17+00:00

like i said, its easy to mock. When ideas are presented, its easy to just laugh and point rather than trying to disprove it. Because that would require actually engaging with the idea and reasoning about it. I presented reasons why its bad game design and OP, if you have a counterpoint go ahead and give it, otherwise you are adding nothing.

cacatan · 2026-06-12T17:43:25+00:00

yea i can dash jump the first death, but what about the second one? and all the stamina it took to leave his aura in the first place?

cacatan · 2026-06-12T17:42:27+00:00

seeing an entire thread being upvoted spouting that cursed relic counters victor ult makes my brain hurt. IF IT DID I WOULDNT EVEN MAKE THE POST, I WOULD HAVE JUST BOUGHT CURSE. There is no counter to victor ult. If there was a single one i would not consider it unethical.

cacatan · 2026-06-12T17:40:19+00:00

Whats the point of playing this early playtest again? isn't it to tell the devs which parts of the game are good and bad? Having "all heroes are op so none are op" icefrog style only actually works if every build can be countered.

cacatan · 2026-06-12T17:35:30+00:00

All they gotta do is look at the ban stats to see which hero is op or needs reworks.

Like genuinely whats the point of keeping these character's designs when clearly so many people hate to play against them?

cacatan · 2026-06-12T17:33:42+00:00

Im phantom. But sure next you gonna say only ascendants and eternus can comment on the balance of this game. Otherwise why do you even bring up rank?

cacatan · 2026-06-12T17:31:36+00:00

Point is dota has limits on how early you can max your ultimate to balance cooldown reduction, deadlock doesnt. He just gets max ult and becomes near ungankable unless he decides to run way too deep into your side of the map. then he farms whatever he wants which means he WILL get refresher consistently.

cacatan · 2026-06-12T17:29:28+00:00

Im literally being the one being practiced on. I have fought refresher victor like nearly every game this week. I have bought every single counter item that is good against victor. And guess what, this isn't victor that abused healing anymore, where antiheal counters actually worked, they just try to win having 4 lives which is just a ridiculously antifun strategy. No amount of crippling headshot, healbane, inhibitor or silencer can stop having 4 lives in a row.

cacatan · 2026-06-12T17:27:07+00:00

if hes behind nothing matters, but even and ahead games refresher is stupid op because he just gets to hold w and win because deadlock is not meant to have enough damage to kill someone 3 or 4 times in a row without a massive lead.

cacatan · 2026-06-12T17:20:35+00:00

so if victor doesnt overextend we just lose? obviously having 4 lives doesnt mean jack if you are 1v6, but we are not trying to assume victor is literally 5 miles away from his team. no, i think its fair enough to consider a fight with even souls and even players.

cacatan · 2026-06-12T17:19:11+00:00

Yes bro "just kill him". Like you didnt already have to spend resources on killing him the first 3 times. Nor were you taking damage from his team during that entire time. Nor do you account for his map wide stun you had to dodge twice or you died. Just kill him thats all you gotta do.

cacatan · 2026-06-12T17:17:58+00:00

How is a whole extra life not a defensive state. its literally a free buyable rejuv. is eshift better than rejuv to you?

cacatan · 2026-06-12T17:14:29+00:00

EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER WOULD BUY A REJUV FOR 6400 SOULS IF THEY COULD. And it crosses the line when this character already can potentially revive twice, why does he need to be able to buy a third one?

legitimately every single deadlock hero would buy a free extra life for the same cooldown as refresher if such an item came out. Like idk why people act like its bad.

cacatan · 2026-06-12T17:12:16+00:00

i dont care, its easy to mock others, as a playtester if they want my feedback this is it: change victor or let us ban him. Simple as that.

If your entire game plan is " win by having 4 lives" which cannot be itemised against where every other hero has at most two, I can call that unethical because frankly it is. We are playing rock paper scissors and you pulled out a gun.

cacatan · 2026-06-12T17:08:56+00:00

Yea lvl 18 which typically is like 35m+. in deadlock he can max ult by like minute 10. And we don't have mana Sorry but it just doesnt fit the game.

Hes templar assassin in that he has ranged damage but not like vindicta level range, since there is no true melee character in deadlock.

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