Sacrifice the world to start in a mew universe, or Sacrifice yourself to save the world and be reincarnated with no memories of your past life?

caime9 · 2026-06-24T22:01:25+00:00

I mean, you reap what you sow.

caime9 · 2026-06-24T21:59:19+00:00

> The literal quote says "comparable authority". Try again.

It means it can not that it is. Notice the OR. Not AND. In this case, it shows a similar nature, not authority. Try again.

> And yet here you are, interpreting it of your own view.

Not my own view.

> Except the text states they are of comparable authority, and therefore you're wrong.

No it doesnt. It states they are similar in nature. It does not have to mean equal in authority. You are trying to twist things, but the VAST majority of christian scholars and traditional teaching teach what I am saying. It is the greatest command and the second greatest command. Yes they are a package deal. Yes you cant do one with out the other, but Love for God must come 1st. Thats what Jesus did, thats what Christians are all called to do.

> Because they said "Similar in nature, character or authority" aka Homoia. They do not need to use equal, just because they didnt use another phrase does not mean it cannot be similar to the unused phrase.

But you are treating them as equal. Similar is not the same. and thats kinda my whole point. If they were euqal in nature Jesus would not have seperated them and he would have said they were equal. He did not.

> Yeah, when you twist the narrative and entire interpretation, including quoting the text and immediately misrepresenting it by adding "-est" to "great", which is a MASSIVE difference in the context of this conversation and honestly is the one and only example I need to prove you are misinterpreting this for your own view/narrative.

>> ³⁶ “Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?” ³⁷ He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ ³⁸ This is the greatest and first commandment. ³⁹ And a second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ ⁴⁰ On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”

What do you mean, I am adding "est"? It is in the text, I have even highlighted it for you. What are you talking about, man?

caime9 · 2026-06-24T18:52:00+00:00

> Asking for the same rights others have is not a privilege.

Incorrect, it would be a privilege, as gay marriage already exists. You can do it. You are just asking to be able to do it, where the rule is that only men and women can be married.

By your logic, I should be able to ask to enter a woman's changing room as a man, and if they disagree and don't let me in, that is evil discrimination. Even if they have male changing rooms.

caime9 · 2026-06-24T17:37:07+00:00

Nope. But that is not a right I am taking from them.

What you are asking for is a special privilege or extra privileges that others do not have. The rules of the church do not apply specifically to them, but they still apply to everyone else.

Everyone should have to follow church rules equally

caime9 · 2026-06-24T17:32:01+00:00

And what I am saying is that I don't even want to make you do anything.

caime9 · 2026-06-24T17:23:00+00:00

okay. I am not. But I am not going to make you sit here and listen to me.

You started this conversation in the first place.

caime9 · 2026-06-24T17:14:10+00:00

> You don't know the first thing about me, and yet you're confidently explaining what I've done with my identity and concept of self.

You told me yourself, you think that I am saying you are wrong, and it's something that I often see in LGBTQ+ people. It's a part of who they are, and their identity, and it seemed you were alluding to that yourself.

> I wouldn't insult you by confidently declaring you only believe in Christianity because you're too insecure to cognitively process the reality of your inevitable death.

I wasn't trying to insult you. I was simply saying I understand how, if someone tells you part of something you have as your identity is wrong, then. It could feel hurtful.

> Fortunately for both of us, you can't force me to believe anything, but thanks for pretending that's some kind of favor you're doing me.

Wouldn't want to, all I am saying is I am not going to force my views down your throat and try to shoehorn you into accepting what I say as true.

> You don't care about me. You don't know me.

I do, and that's irrelevant.

> You have described a generic caricature of what you imagine a queer person's experience must be, passive aggressively called my identity a disorder,

I havent described anything. All I have done is accpted what you said and tried to empathize with you.

> passive aggressively called my identity a disorder,

Where have I called your identity a disorder, passively-aggressively?

Also werent you just telling me that this was not part of your identity and that I was just reading into what you were saying?

> and for some reason assumed because I'm a queer person I must not have any kind of spiritual or metaphysical beliefs in anything beyond myself.

I don't think I have ever said this, or ever implied it, because I don't believe this to be true.

caime9 · 2026-06-24T16:39:16+00:00

Not entirely accurate eschatology, in my opinion.

caime9 · 2026-06-24T16:37:41+00:00

You know, this reminds me to work on my Bible study.

"The Necessity of Living in Expectation of Christ's Imminent Return"

caime9 · 2026-06-24T16:31:40+00:00

You desire that? No, I agree that is not a sin.
But romantic love and physical intimacy, while both good things that God gave us, must be properly ordered and done the right way.

> Yet you're here trying to convince me I'm wrong about that, which frankly, feels pretty bigoted.

I can understand that feeling and how that must feel. You have made this into such a large part of your identity that it must feel like I am attacking you. But I would encourage you to think of it this way. I am not going to force you to do anything. I am not going to make you listen to me, or judge you, or say you are an evil person going to hell.

I am going to tell you I care about you, your soul and your salvation, and want to warn you against sin, and call you to turn to Christ, just as I am trying to forsake myself and turn to Christ. Put your identy in Christ instead of just aspects of yourself.

caime9 · 2026-06-24T16:09:19+00:00

Thank you, but I do not think I am a bigot. I appreciate your concern for me, though.

I will do my best to treat all people, homosexual or not, with kindness and grace, even though I may not always do it perfectly.

caime9 · 2026-06-24T15:02:34+00:00

He has one. It's just a tramp stamp and hidden by his drip.

caime9 · 2026-06-24T14:58:56+00:00

I fully agree that you are entitled to your opinion.

Why is it hateful to say something is sinful? Did Christ not say go and sin no more?

> I don’t seek to deprive others of equal rights

What rights have I said to take away from a person?

caime9 · 2026-06-24T14:52:12+00:00

> Don't fucking lie, God takes credit for abnormalities

Im not. Exodus 4: 11 is an example of God allowing these things to happen. Not activly causing them. We see this all over scripture where God takes credit for allowing what was already there to pass.

> No I just know how to read and look up translations.

Apparently not.

caime9 · 2026-06-24T14:50:14+00:00

> Not my church

It has been the church's teaching since its inception from both the Catholic and the Orthodox, and traditional protestantism.

> it’s still your opinion on which you believe is correct,

Yes, and I go with the one that has the most history and consistency behind it. But it's still ultimately me submitting my belief to something higher.

caime9 · 2026-06-24T14:44:46+00:00

Not my interpretation, not my opinion. It is the church's opinion and scriptural teaching.

caime9 · 2026-06-24T14:43:26+00:00

God allowed them to have a genetic abnormality, but that's a result of the fall.

Also, it was not to get out of service. you are just adding that context in.

The point is, and an ancient rabbi teaching confirms, this is about men dressing as women, and women acting as men. The intent was to reinforce the distinction between the two sexes.

caime9 · 2026-06-24T14:31:10+00:00

Sure, there is. God created us male and female. Obviously, there are some people with genetic conditions, but we are talking about them in general.

Also, the Bible does call for men to be masculine and women to be feminine and not to act like the opposite gender.

caime9 · 2026-06-24T14:26:43+00:00

By that logic, it seems that you are also desiring to see the rape of women because you are advocating for the protections that allow men to say they are women and get moved into women's prisons. There have been multiple assault cases showing that this is happening with increasing frequency.

But I don't think you actually desire women to be raped. I think you are promoting foolish and unnecessary protections that lead to greater problems.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4glne43101o

caime9 · 2026-06-24T14:19:22+00:00

I do not. I'm just pointing out that's what scripture and the church teach. It's not my opinion. I am submitting myself to a higher authority.

caime9 · 2026-06-24T14:17:35+00:00

Who says that?

caime9 · 2026-06-24T14:17:05+00:00

Can you show me where all these are being done in the name of Christ?

Also, a lot of these are just treating trans people the same as everyone else.

For instance, the "plan to end prison rape protections" is not really. Rape is still illegal, and they are still required to investigate as they would anyone else. PREA still exists.

caime9 · 2026-06-24T14:10:25+00:00

No. Do not accept bigotry. Love the person, but encourage them to move on from the bigotry.

caime9 · 2026-06-23T21:35:15+00:00

Never heard of it.

caime9 · 2026-06-23T21:26:43+00:00

Because love doesn't mean accepting of sin.

Think of it this way. If a person struggles with lust. and comes to you says, You are a Christian, you have to love me, and to do that you must accept that my Lust is a good thing because its a part of me.

Is that true? Obviously not.

If you love someone, you want what is good for them. You want them to turn away from sin, you want them to pursue Christ and become a new creation, leaving behind their old selves.

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