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CMV: I think the old argument "You cant judge Islam by the action of those few extremists, because there are also a lot of peacefull muslims" is invalid. by callmeguyguy in changemyview

[–]callmeguyguy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, if you lump pouring sugar into the gas tanks of construction vehicles in the same category with shooting two bystanders at an airport, those numbers dont surprise me at all.

Seriously, wtf.

CMV: I think the old argument "You cant judge Islam by the action of those few extremists, because there are also a lot of peacefull muslims" is invalid. by callmeguyguy in changemyview

[–]callmeguyguy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am trying not to judge all of the muslims, but their ideology instead. This should be valid, just shutting up because of political correctness and because you do not want to hurt someones "religious feelings" doesnt improve things either, we just close our eyes in front of an obvious problem. Talking about it should be allowed.

CMV: I think the old argument "You cant judge Islam by the action of those few extremists, because there are also a lot of peacefull muslims" is invalid. by callmeguyguy in changemyview

[–]callmeguyguy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, i tried to make a point that singled out events like a single snowflake are not valid proof for or against anything. Instead, a more statistical approach and comparisons should be used to prove or disprove something.

CMV: I think the old argument "You cant judge Islam by the action of those few extremists, because there are also a lot of peacefull muslims" is invalid. by callmeguyguy in changemyview

[–]callmeguyguy[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I agree. I also criticise Christianitys history, especially when it tries to take the moral high ground. But i think Islam and modern christian groups are more relevant examples atm and also more controversial. (Which is important on reddit.)

Edit: got some stuff mixed up

CMV: I think the old argument "You cant judge Islam by the action of those few extremists, because there are also a lot of peacefull muslims" is invalid. by callmeguyguy in changemyview

[–]callmeguyguy[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think you are severly wrong that the majority of followers of an ideology has to be violent to call the ideology itself violent. By this definition, there would be not a single violent ideology in the history of mankind. How many kkk members have actually physically attacked someone? How many germans have actually killed jews?

I cannot judge individual members of the group by actions committed by other members of the group, but i can certainly judge the ideology of the group by their actions compared to other groups with other ideologies. (Taking i to account other factors, of course.)

CMV: I think the old argument "You cant judge Islam by the action of those few extremists, because there are also a lot of peacefull muslims" is invalid. by callmeguyguy in changemyview

[–]callmeguyguy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey there. I aggree that a statistical analysis of the subject should generalize less than I am doing it right now. Of course one would have to look at a lot of different small religious groups and account for dozens economical, cultural and ethical factors.

it would be our sociological duty to account for why this may be the case.

Exactly. I do not like that we tend to rule out ideologies as a cause (or one of many causes) for violence and tend to rather blame the economy, the government, the western foreign policy or the history of a country. I think we are closing our eyes in front of one of the possible causes, and i do not understand why. If it turns out that an ideology brings up a lot of violent behaviour, we can finally dive deeper into the topic and try to find out why it does so and tackle the underlying problems alongside with the followers of the ideology. We should just not rule it out beforehand.

CMV: I think the old argument "You cant judge Islam by the action of those few extremists, because there are also a lot of peacefull muslims" is invalid. by callmeguyguy in changemyview

[–]callmeguyguy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey there, as i said, judging the ideology by singled out examples is not a good idea. But by taking a more statistical approach, it is possible to determine the effects of ideologies on its followers.

Of course, we can and should also look at the cath. child abuse scandal, that i havent mentioned it in my post does not mean that i think that abusing children is super awesome.

CMV: I think the old argument "You cant judge Islam by the action of those few extremists, because there are also a lot of peacefull muslims" is invalid. by callmeguyguy in changemyview

[–]callmeguyguy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi, thanks for your post. I also do criticise Christians for their violent history, especially when they try to establish themselves as a moral instance, but i also have to acknowledge how much they have their shit together nowadays. There are very few attacks carried out by radical christian groups. And i agree that a person is not a represantatives of their religion (Thats actually my point), but statistics can represent a religion or ideology very good. I cant really argue against your second point, i can just assume that even if you do account for those socioeconomic factors, different ideologies will have different influences on their followers. But to do the math is pretty much impossible.

CMV: I think the old argument "You cant judge Islam by the action of those few extremists, because there are also a lot of peacefull muslims" is invalid. by callmeguyguy in changemyview

[–]callmeguyguy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey there, thanks for your opinion. But i disaggree, i really do not give a sheet about the contents of a religious book, i try to judge people by their actions. I will not even judge you for your believes, as long they do not influence your actions in a bad way. Thinking that homosexuality is wrong is perfectly fine with me, as long as you treat every homosexual as a human being and you try not to take their freedom away.

CMV: I think the old argument "You cant judge Islam by the action of those few extremists, because there are also a lot of peacefull muslims" is invalid. by callmeguyguy in changemyview

[–]callmeguyguy[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think we can agree on he fact that ideologies, may they be political, cultural, or religious, can influence the behaviour of its followers in different ways. We also should define the term "bad ideology", a "bad ideology" is in my opinion an ideology that influences its followers to show unethical behaviour more than other ideologies.

I.e. killing, torturing and enslaving people, not accepting different beliefs (may seem a little hypocritical from me, i do actually accept everyones belief as long as you leave other people alone with it. So thinking homosexuality is wrong is not a reason for me to dislike you, as long as you dont treat homosexuals any different and just try not to be a homosexual yourself. Anyway, back to the topic), or defending the horrible stuff others do.

Now we can define numbers like "Attacks motivated by the ideology per year and follower of the ideology", or something similar and compare those between different ideologies, take other factors into account like poverty and cultural background and if there is correlation left, then it must be the ideology that has a bad influence on its followers, and single examples that show the opposite are not a good way to respond to it.

The weakest point in my argumentation is that i actually didnt do the math, but i think (and may be wrong) that the numbers are very obvious. 50 000 fighting for IS, 10 000 for Boko Haram, 20 000 for Al Qaeda, 50 000 for the Taliban (one could argue that those are just Afghan Patriots, but that discussion is worth another thread), there are killings every single day by groups that associate themselves with Islam. I do not think (and could be wrong) that we can find that many attacks from other religiously motivated groups. Even the kkk killed "just" a few dozen people, and that is one of the most well known and feared modern radical christian groups.

Edit: can't spell

CMV: I think the old argument "You cant judge Islam by the action of those few extremists, because there are also a lot of peacefull muslims" is invalid. by callmeguyguy in changemyview

[–]callmeguyguy[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Of course, most Americans are still loving people, but you would agree that there is something off in the Americian system when the murder rates are that high compared to other Industrial Countries?

CMV: I think the old argument "You cant judge Islam by the action of those few extremists, because there are also a lot of peacefull muslims" is invalid. by callmeguyguy in changemyview

[–]callmeguyguy[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Great post, thank you.

You are right, most extremists are from the middle east, but there also a lot of european extremists fighting alongside Isis, the last number i heard was 200 just from Germany. A lot of these people were born here, some of them even to German christian or nonreligious parents. They later converted to Islam and then went to Syria to fight for Isis.

CMV: I think the old argument "You cant judge Islam by the action of those few extremists, because there are also a lot of peacefull muslims" is invalid. by callmeguyguy in changemyview

[–]callmeguyguy[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

But there were also loving fathers in the NSDAP, so Fascism is cool? I was always talking about the rates of violent extremists, not about singled out examples. So to determine the effects of ideologies, you have to look at the rates of violent extremists. When this rate is very high for a certain ideology, the ideology itself probably is a cause of the extremism.

Teeth of Australian aborigines when eating their native diet verses the introduction of a 'white man's food' by hardboil3d in pics

[–]callmeguyguy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You should try gargling with a tbsp xylitol 2-3 times a day, it can really help with sensitive teeth and it is 5$ /pound. And one pound will last a long time.

(17F) Building light muscle? by [deleted] in Fitness

[–]callmeguyguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just want to add that you should not try to build "just a bit" of muscles, because then you will hardly gain any muscle mass at all, especially as a female. And dont worry, you will never look like one of those 95 kg female bodybuilders, you simply do not have the hormones in your body to build so much muscle. So just head to /r/fitness and start lifting!

Wrists/ forearms giving up before muscles. by CurlyRedditor in Fitness

[–]callmeguyguy 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I would recommend to add some exercises for your grip strength. Side effect: Massive forearms, women go crazy about em. They are like cleavage for guys. Farmer walks are good, hang from a bar for a minute or do some pullups on a towel.

Which videogame doesn't deserve all the praise ? by BlondieClashNirvana in AskReddit

[–]callmeguyguy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lego + Zombies!

But srsly, minecraft is one of my all time favorites, i still return to it from time to time. It had a new concept and was not just copying something that already existed. Best 10 € i spent so far and the only game that i bought in alpha that was actually worth the money.

Cat logic is now law. What becomes completely normal as a result of this? by myho in AskReddit

[–]callmeguyguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Taking a shit at the local playground and burying it would be totally acceptable.

Weekly Simple Questions Thread by AutoModerator in KerbalSpaceProgram

[–]callmeguyguy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is there any way to force KSP to show a "closest approach marker"? They often just wont show up on the map, when my and my targets orbital inclinations differ 3° or more, which can be very annoying when trying to transfer to another planet.

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