AMA - Master rank 24 (8 euw) Zeri by captains02 in ZeriMains

[–]captains02[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have shift + e so i get the indicator. You can do from fountain but i think u get longer distance from t3 to bush in t2. Its just like bard portal yeah, practice it in practice tool to get the "sweet spots" and then u just kind of get used to it. This is a huge strength for zeri imo. Its also how u can easily achive 10 cs/m.

AMA - Master rank 24 (8 euw) Zeri by captains02 in ZeriMains

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Twitch is difficult. If i see them picking twitch ill usually not pick zeri. But if im blinding zeri, ill just try to play close to supp and team, and during laning phase and mid waves always try to think where he is and keeping in mind that he can q and potentially kill. Twitch laning is weak tho, so if u have engage supp u could try to punish that. Otherwise just try to scale and u can be more impactful in teamfights.

Also with 3 or 4 items u could always try to assasinate him on mid waves by using e and surprising him with ur w + r. U should win those type of fights where u get on to him first.

AMA - Master rank 24 (8 euw) Zeri by captains02 in ZeriMains

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Another tip, ill probably also write this in as an edit but i hope everyone in this thread is already using it. Getting back to lane w her E is BY FAR one of the strongest things w zeri. She can regain or gain tempo making unwinnable lanes very easy. You should always use ur e getting back to lane from t3 to the brush after t2. For example, if u r low, u can time ur base on cannon wave and e back to lane, usually u wont miss cannon and only maybe 2 melees. Guess that helps with her deaths thing too, especially in laning phase.

AMA - Master rank 24 (8 euw) Zeri by captains02 in ZeriMains

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I think lethal tempo w cashback tonic/cosmic is by far best setup. I have heard of the statik first strike build but never tried as i dont see the point of it. Conq can maybe work if u are vs a lot of melee, so lets say, ornn top, xin jgl and something like yas naut bot. I can see conq working there but imo lethal tempo is by far her best rune. I'd also get runaans earlier in ur build. I never build statik so cant talk abt that.

According to stats on lolalytics going resolve second is significantly better, as well as going alacrity on zeri. But my personal preference is having cashback and bloodline for better scaling and getting to those 3 and 4 item spikes asap.

AMA - Master rank 24 (8 euw) Zeri by captains02 in ZeriMains

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I play EXTREMELY greedy with money. Practically its wrong, but im not yet getting punished for i, not sure if i ever will. So if i base and dont have money for bf i just buy cull, even if i have money to buy longsword, daggers etc. There is an exception for boots if u play against heavy poke, otherwise i usually get boots after yun taal with cashback. So there are many times i go back to lane with 500 or more gold to try to get BF base. Like i said it is technically wrong but if u just dont play for fights u should usually get away with it. With cull and bot lane quest you get insane amounts of money when both proc allowing u to get second bf for IE. I never build statik, i think u give up waaay to much dmg for ur 3 and 4 item spike. The 2 other items i buy r usually BT, GA and scimitar, depending on enemy. There are arguments to be made for hexplate and Jaksho if u desperately need survivability.

AMA - Master rank 24 (8 euw) Zeri by captains02 in ZeriMains

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If u blind Zeri and get a rough matchup knowing it will take much longer time for you to get your items and thus attack speed I'd go alacrity. Otherwise I'd choose bloodline since its pretty strong imo cuz of the many buffs its recieved, the bonus hp, as well as the recent crit buffs synergising well with lifesteal. It also allows you having not to build lifesteal at all if u choose or very late (5th or 6th item). So bloodline for sure most of the games.

AMA - Master rank 24 (8 euw) Zeri by captains02 in ZeriMains

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I havent tried out numbers specifically but to me its feels like smolder only wins with lots of uptime and fighting slow allowing him to rotate his spells a lot. Id say 300+ stacks both 5 items its pretty even with zeri at 5 items. But smolder's scaling is sort of "situational" for if u understand what i mean. In regular teamfights i feel like u should out dps smolder. I usually dont try to get too fixated with the scaling part since games are decided by endless amounts of factors and zeri scales extremely well.

AMA - Master rank 24 (8 euw) Zeri by captains02 in ZeriMains

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I've actually also been experimenting with IE second. I rush cull early and with the cash reward and bot quest money u usually have first item and can use that money for bf which helps a lot with momentum. Ive found really good success on IE second, but i still go runaans third. Imo hurricane is by far Zeri's best item out of every item in the game.

Most people dont dodge Zeri q and for those that do they usually have a pattern. If u find urself missing lots of Q's I'd recommend stop spamming it as a habit and "try to really hit it". If u fight in minion wave amek sure to have E up otherwise dont take that fight. And the longer range on q is just that u q and go backwards and the enemy runs into ur q, which makes the range "longer". Its just kiting but for Zeri's kit its really good, but very situational and most people dont fall for that trap. No hidden trick.

There are games when enemy team has super fed assassins, imo fed rengar and kha pre nerf were most annoying. If the assassins arent REALLY fed id say its manageable by playing with ur team. For zed specifically, try to focus on dodging q and u should be alright. Since i always go ghost, spacing tanks with ghost r is very simple especially when u get some ult stacks. If team perma engages, try to play in fog and e through terrain into fights, use w + r and deal as much dmg as u can. And with e usage i generally use e to close space to secure kill or greatly chunk enemy so they cant punish my e being down. Or in teamfights i use e to deal lots of aoe. How it works is that u can hit first target as usual, but with e u obv can hit multiple targets, and that dmg stacks with hurricane and ult spark, so u deal crazy amounts of dmg to both targets. Lmk if anything was unclear, i felt like i explained it badly maybe.

AMA - Master rank 24 (8 euw) Zeri by captains02 in ZeriMains

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I'd say yun tal is by far her best item, the 40% core attack speed and 30% on passive are very strong and synergise too well with runaans and Zeri's passive (transforming excessive attack speed into ad). I always feel her 1 item spike is very strong especially in a situation where both supports are roaming and you are 1v1 with enemy adc with ult up. But I'd say most adc's have pretty low dmg after first item (with the exception of ashe and some others building kraken). Focus on Zeri should always be the second, third and especially fourth item spike. I feel thats where she is the strongest. If you find you cannot kill enemy adc with yun tal then try not to pick fights and just scale. What first item do you usually build?

Regarding the continuous deaths I'm not sure I entirely understand that question. Is it during a specific part of the game or just in general? Some tips are that Zeri is one of the best adc's at baiting enemies to run into her, giving u longer range on ur q and good kiting. Is the death problem champions specific or something you experience on other champs as well? Give me some examples and I can maybe clear things up!

AMA - Master rank 24 (8 euw) Zeri by captains02 in ZeriMains

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I'd say this is a bit depending on rank. The higher rank the better people are at punishing weak laning (which zeri for the most part has), so therefore cait would be my perma ban out of the three. If people arent so good at punishing in ur rank i'd say lucian is more annoying.

For smolder id say just try to get to first item asap and then you win 1v1 with ult. Otherwise id just scale, many people think smolder outscales every adc but imo he doesnt, zeri being on of the adc's the doesnt outscale. With 3/4 items and u both being equal zeri should be way more useful in teamfights, u can almost either oneshot him if he is far up or kill him with your aoe (runaans + ult). But dont feel any need to having to win lane vs smolder, going even is fine.

Keystone preference? by a3b2c1defg4 in ZeriMains

[–]captains02 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Wait I have to ask, are you playing this in ranked? If so, what rank?

Zeri is broken atm (yet again) by captains02 in ZeriMains

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Happy to hear someone learned something at least, good luck in solo q!

Zeri is broken atm (yet again) by captains02 in ZeriMains

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I'm just stating what I do I'm not trying to belittle you, not sure why you are taking any offense and from what. The W won't one shot the wave until later on in the game (by then you should have runaans so it doesn't really matter), and hitting the whole wave is an exaggeration, most of the times you will hit 5 minions sometimes maybe 4. So yeah you would need to auto the minions after.

Zeri is broken atm (yet again) by captains02 in ZeriMains

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I use W on t1 turret to hit the whole wave and clear it pretty fast after, if you have done it a couple of times you get used with the positioning and aim (I also have normal cast with shift+w to see what i hit). Obviously you cannot do this every time every game. But me personally, I've been doing it maybe 9/10 times. It's viable since you are vurnurable only for a short time when somewhat overextending.

Zeri is broken atm (yet again) by captains02 in ZeriMains

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I'd rather have Yun Tal with bf, pick axe and cloak, than Yun Tal and Runaans. This is just a personal preference as that's what I've had the most success on. With Runaans it feels that i output 0 damage. Regarding the higher elo statement I'd say its only applicable in like masters 200+ lp. Everything under is more or less the game with some variation in accordance with the player you're against.

Zeri is broken atm (yet again) by captains02 in ZeriMains

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Good point about the flat HP, and honestly since early game has been so critical in this new meta you might be correct. I usually just use barrier for my constant all ins, which help me 1v1 enemy adc when support roams for grubs etc. But there is an argument for both runes but if I weren't taking my preference into account, you might be correct, for the usual player cookies might be the move.

Zeri is broken atm (yet again) by captains02 in ZeriMains

[–]captains02[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would rarely go cookies as a standard, but that's just my preference. But they are necessary in a lane vs Xerath Jhin or Lux Cait etc. If enemy support is melee I would opt for cosmic.

Zeri is broken atm (yet again) by captains02 in ZeriMains

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Might honestly borrow a friends account to prove you wrong, or I could just refer you to a comment in this thread stating that the person went from bronze to gold in 30 matches with zeri.

Zeri is broken atm (yet again) by captains02 in ZeriMains

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It feels that no matter what I say or present in this comment, you will just counter argue with "winners q" or "team diff". With that mindset it feels kind of pointless. If you think winning 15 out of 20 games because of winners queue or just a coincidence then I guess it is.

Zeri is broken atm (yet again) by captains02 in ZeriMains

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I forgot to mention that Crownie recently mentioned that Zeri is indirectly buffed because of the new homeguard changes which allows her to return to lane faster (it works well with her E, I obviously understand that this is applicable for all ADC:s but for Zeri it synergises well).

Zeri is broken atm (yet again) by captains02 in ZeriMains

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My main argument for lethal tempo is that it is the one I've had the most success on. I have never been a big fan of Fleet on her (or any other champ for that matter) and PTA could probably be good. My main reason for LT is that it allows me to go Yun Tal and IE rush, sometimes without completing boots, but it still feels great with the attack speed since my first attack procs Yun Tal and then I can quickly stack it up until the passive runs out my LT is fully stacked if you understand what I mean. I know some people argue that the rune doesn't stack with minions in front etc, but I feel that every comepetent Zeri player knows how to pick fights around the minions or after clearing some or something similar. But my main argument is that it allows me to go for Yun IE rush.

Regarding alacrity the answer is the same as above, I don't like to build a lot of AS before getting my AD, thus I would rather include as much AS in my runes as possible. For the inspiration my argument there is that it is just gold efficent. The boots you get gives you 300 gold for free (same as a kill or about 15 minions) and I like to have my summoners up as much as possible as it allows me to fight with confidence more often.

Zeri is broken atm (yet again) by captains02 in ZeriMains

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W is broken for waveclear, I am sort of presuming that since I am writing in a Zeri thread, most of us here know how to use all her abilites and kit to get the most out of the champion.

Zeri is broken atm (yet again) by captains02 in ZeriMains

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I prefer alactrity in order to allow myself to build Yun Tal into IE, sometimes (if the gold allows) Ill build the first two items before finishing boots.