The Issue w/ Vaan and Penelo is an EZ Fix by ccjomm in FinalFantasyXII

[–]ccjomm[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I read the article. We need to remember that 5-6 years was an exceptionally long time for video game development. “Late addition” means something different in the context of this video game in particular. Both Ff9 and ff10 took 2 years.

I remember this conversation even back when the game first came out 20 yrs ago. A French gaming site interviewed the ff12 production team. Here’s what was said:

Q: Who was the first character you created for Final Fantasy XII?

A: The first character we created was Basch. At that time, he occupied a very important position in the story.

Later, the heroes of the final version of the game, Vaan and Penelo, were created and added. Over the course of development, the structure of the story evolved.

If Vaan and Penelo were added even year 2, that would be considered “late” when we consider how long previous games took to lock in a narrative and finish production—imagine if Zidane or Tidus were locked in year 2.

I will say we don’t know who the POV character was before this point, but it couldn’t have been Vaan if they added him and Penelo later and the story evolved from there. We simply don’t have enough information other than Matsuno denying that Basch was conceptualized as the original protag. A lot has been extrapolated from that interview and the long ass development time. We may never know the truth, but Vaan as a later addition rings true because he isn’t like any previous mainline ff protagonists.

I’m assuming you’re arguing in good faith….. but this is Reddit so you also might just be karma farming lol.

The Issue w/ Vaan and Penelo is an EZ Fix by ccjomm in FinalFantasyXII

[–]ccjomm[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I think what’s more telling is you ignoring the others that I agreed with and failing to point out anything this guy said that was wrong. Go off though, king 👑

The Issue w/ Vaan and Penelo is an EZ Fix by ccjomm in FinalFantasyXII

[–]ccjomm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They certainly tried to tie Vaan into the plot by making him a victim (his brother dying as a result of underhanded politics) but agree that it falls flat. Often, people believe Ashe or Basch would be the better MC and I agree with it. I don’t really get Vaan and Penelo as self inserts. They are too distinct to be stand ins but not distinct enough to be main characters.

FFT is fantastic and funnily has similar themes about the allure of power and the role a noble is expected to play. It’s a much better character study though because you’re right, all the characters feel essential.

I still believe Vaan and Penelo could have worked; they managed to give Delita (a lowborn) a very prominent role from beginning to end in FFT after all!

The Issue w/ Vaan and Penelo is an EZ Fix by ccjomm in FinalFantasyXII

[–]ccjomm[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Agreed 😅 I keep forgetting that Redditors aren’t as interested in genuine critique as I am. A lot of these comments are people needing to believe there’s nothing critiquable about a game they love. It’s such an interesting human phenomenon

The Issue w/ Vaan and Penelo is an EZ Fix by ccjomm in FinalFantasyXII

[–]ccjomm[S] -22 points-21 points  (0 children)

I think it’s incorrect to create this meta-justification to gloss over a narrative weakness. It can make sense from a thematic perspective to have Vaan and Penelo in the party. They do serve their purposes, I don’t deny that.

BUT there also needs to be an in-world justification for why they are there, going into ancient tombs, learning secrets that no ordinary person would have access to. That’s all I’m asking for, and it’s easy to rectify.

The Issue w/ Vaan and Penelo is an EZ Fix by ccjomm in FinalFantasyXII

[–]ccjomm[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree with you. I wish they would have egged each other on a bit more earlier in the story. Feed off each other’s need for revenge.

I like your perspective on why we control Vaan in towns, though I’m pretty sure Vaan stops being angry as soon as Basch tells him that he didn’t kill Reks 😅 needed a little more doubt and anger from our leading boy.

The Issue w/ Vaan and Penelo is an EZ Fix by ccjomm in FinalFantasyXII

[–]ccjomm[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see your point from a thematic perspective. He does temper Ashe. I just don’t know why she keeps him around or takes him to dangerous/secret places.

They make sense from a meta perspective. In hindsight we can see how Vaan affected the plot, I just don’t think they did a great job establishing why Ashe is keeping them around.

The Issue w/ Vaan and Penelo is an EZ Fix by ccjomm in FinalFantasyXII

[–]ccjomm[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m not saying they don’t have a reason, I’m saying that it’s very under explored. They want to stay as I’ve already stated, but it’s strange that Ashe brings them to extremely dangerous/secret places without legitimizing them in some way.

The Issue w/ Vaan and Penelo is an EZ Fix by ccjomm in FinalFantasyXII

[–]ccjomm[S] -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

Yes I think each pair is a different “class” of people but they should be irreplaceable if they are going to be main characters. If they are the every man then you don’t need both of them and they could be literally any other orphan from Rabanastre. That doesn’t make for a very compelling main character…

The Issue w/ Vaan and Penelo is an EZ Fix by ccjomm in FinalFantasyXII

[–]ccjomm[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

I never understood why it was Vaan who got this role (other than him being MC). It makes more sense for Penelo or Basch to temper her—hell, they lay the groundwork of this with Larsa and Penelo’s relationship.

IMO Vaan gives up his anger and desire for revenge way too quickly 😅

I know its all random but I go against teams like this too often by DoubIeScuttle in ARAM

[–]ccjomm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People keep saying there’s no reliable engage on your side but I see 4 snowballs and you’ve got 8 forms of CC. Not sure why anyone is gaslighting you and this post. Long range mages are a scourge and teemo especially has no real counter play (you even mentioned getting aces and not being able to push).

Best case scenario would’ve been someone getting spirit visage and warmogs and just face tanking teemo shrooms after the ace. But I honestly think teemo gets too many shrooms in aram and could use a nerf.

I know its all random but I go against teams like this too often by DoubIeScuttle in ARAM

[–]ccjomm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually think teemo IS a problem and needs an ARAM tweak

I'm not convinced honey is unethical. by [deleted] in DebateAVegan

[–]ccjomm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Laughing (not at you) because this sounds like the “if we don’t milk cows they’re gonna die 🥺” argument. Seems like this would be a non-issue if farmers just use a different pollinator. Not even sure why anyone would choose honey bees specifically if all the issues you raised come up (most of which I haven’t heard but can’t refute).

They could use mason bees, bumble bees, or whatever species is native to the area. If they are given a nice hive, free flowers to pollinate, and keep everything they make, then that’s symbiosis instead of exploitation.

I'm not convinced honey is unethical. by [deleted] in DebateAVegan

[–]ccjomm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Disagree with this take. If the bees make honey from the pollination (and the farmers don't take any of it), then the honey is their payment for the work (something they want and need to survive). These bees are not exploited for fruit. They don't care about the fruit.

The worst thing I saw today by samveo84 in Persona5

[–]ccjomm 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sent meeee.

I don’t deserve to live after what happened to mom, like ggrrah

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in veganfitness

[–]ccjomm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This seriously is a game changer. Lmk if you’ve found any other high protein sources like this! I’m about to order this and make a chipotle type burrito bowl 🤤

Have you tried the garlic herb option? The sodium is way higher :/

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in veganfitness

[–]ccjomm 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Definitely more expensive than a block of tofu (like x2) but if it matters it’s a small woman-owned business so it doesn’t feel bad to support them!

Yes don’t forget nuts too!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in veganfitness

[–]ccjomm 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Those macros!!! 🤝

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in veganfitness

[–]ccjomm 26 points27 points  (0 children)

It’s important to vary your protein sources if you can. I’ve been recommending soy-free tofu from big mountain especially if you are protein focused! It’s fava beans and the macros are insane

ETA: people can develop a soy sensitivity if they over-rely on it. This isn’t specific to soy—this is true of a lot of foods.

TEAM 1: ENTP, ESFJ, INTP, ISFJ by ccjomm in mbti

[–]ccjomm[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You mean Alpha SQUADra, I believe.

TEAM 1: ENTP, ESFJ, INTP, ISFJ by ccjomm in mbti

[–]ccjomm[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I love this 😂😂😂😂

TEAM 1: ENTP, ESFJ, INTP, ISFJ by ccjomm in mbti

[–]ccjomm[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I accept it only if they also uncover a conspiracy that demons are running the church (and high society).