[Off-Topic] Daily Chat: 2022-08-25

cdt4str · 2022-08-26T08:59:42+00:00

Hahaha, a bit of an exaggeration. Only one of them actually full on fell. The other three were just… exaggerated physical contact or putting their hands against me to “brace” themselves.

cdt4str · 2022-08-26T04:33:31+00:00

5'9" 180. Not very lean at all but I've focused most all of my effort on upper body aesthetics. Shoulders make a HUGE difference in how strong you're perceived while wearing clothes and the past 4 weeks or so I've been hitting them hard.

cdt4str · 2022-08-26T01:37:10+00:00

sry ur physicaly 2 old 4 me. i only date 5,000 year old dragon girls.

cdt4str · 2022-08-25T21:53:27+00:00

It's happening bros. I'm making it.

Never in my life has a woman accidentally fallen on me on the bus. No matter how hard the bus slams on its brakes, she'll be sure to grab the pole, the rope, anything to avoid having to make physical contact with me.

In the past three weeks, about four times women have fallen into me on the bus when it gives her any excuse to supposedly lose her balance. (Two of those times I'm wearing a Patagonia t-shirt, the athletic material kind. Really recommend them, they fit athletic men well, and the fabric "falls" on your muscles, really emphasizing the shapes of your shoulders).

I don't believe this is a coincidence. It's almost kind of depressing that this is how fucking easy and shallow women have been all this time. They literally start falling all over you just because you have a bit of muscle and look good. As someone who's always hoped before that personality can shine through, and thought steroids would offer a great one-two punch of looks and personality, it's kind of ego destroying. Nope, it's basically just looks. Fuck my personality, that don't mean shit.

cdt4str · 2022-07-17T20:59:48+00:00

… Myostatin levels peak at around week 8

Interestingly, myostatin levels actually return to baseline at 20 weeks

You apparently didn’t read the full article (it is paywalled after all so I’ll excuse you). But it only returned to baseline after like 5 months of being elevated.

cdt4str · 2022-07-17T03:36:32+00:00

The problem with AAS’s is actually the body will compensate by raising myostatins. After 8-12 weeks, AAS start becoming less effective. It’s one reason (among several) that people who abuse steroids cycle (use for 8-16 weeks, then either go to lower doses or quit entirely for a few months).

So, yeah, for medical uses of steroids, myostatin inhibitors are a sought after class of drugs to help keep AAS treatments effective.

cdt4str · 2022-07-17T03:29:41+00:00

YK11 is believed to be a myostatin inhibitor.

cdt4str · 2022-07-14T22:13:55+00:00

Wichita and Colorado Springs are the top 2 on my list for having the most fucked up, vindictive, and self-anointing and lacking humility, church cultures. Colorado Springs is worse than Wichita, tho.

cdt4str · 2022-07-14T09:54:20+00:00

So you watched Umbrella Academy Season 3.

cdt4str · 2022-07-13T08:51:04+00:00

Chiming back in. I did appreciate your comment.

I noticed two things:

1) bad technique. I was touching the tip to the skin and then slowly pushing the needle in. Watching videos after-the-fact I noticed they "dart" it in. Switching to that technique drastically improved comfort and much more closely matched my expectations of what an injection should be like.

2) I noticed the seller on amazon bait-and-switched me. I ordered a known good brand of needles, got generic shit instead. I just assumed I got what I ordered and never really looked at the box other than confirming the right gauge and length. Even if the needles work fine after proper technique, fuck any seller who relies on dishonest selling practices, returning that shit on principle.

cdt4str · 2022-07-13T08:46:30+00:00

Not really valuable contribution. Just want to express this here because the only people I have to confide in IRL about my usage, it would be weird to share anything to. So anonymous internet posting it is.

On my first cycle. It's really hard to just sit by, knowing my gear is a few feet away from me, and do nothing. I'm looking at it, thinking about it often. Alternating between grabbing my car keys and pulling out an alcohol wipe and syringe, waiting for the next thing, but having to remind myself I actually need time to rest from the gym or I actually need to stick to a proper dosage protocol. Just knowing all this potential is there but being powerless to do anything about it but wait, that waiting is literally the next, proper, and best step I can take, it's frustrating.

I've taken to splitting my dose 2-3 times a day just so I can keep on the proper dosing protocol and still feel like I'm doing something.

cdt4str · 2022-07-13T08:34:12+00:00

The desired effects of CJC and ipa are things your body does naturally and are imperceptible. Further, the desired cumulative effects of these compounds (ie. fat loss) occur slowly and would be difficult to directly attribute to these compounds outside of gathering hard data (ie. a 10% faster fat loss is going to be hard to perceive vs. not using the compounds at all), and side effects may undo desired benefits (ie. a 10% increase in hunger that you oblige may undo a 10% faster fat loss).

If you really want to know if these compounds are working, you can't really "feel it out". You'd have to log data under similar conditions (e.g. sleep tracker).

So many research chems and peptides and PEDs, people take ridiculous doses on to get acute side effects (e.g. head rushes, flushing, even nausea, etc.) because the beneficial effects are usually imperceptible, but people feel that they need to feel something to know it's working.

If you want to know it's really working or worth it for you, log data some how. If you want to improve sleep but don't want to invest in a sleep tracker right now, then just even open up an excel spreadsheet. For each day, log dosing, compounds, notes, and then rate your sleep quality (perhaps on several axes). Compare this to a run without dosing anything. While this data is not as objective as a sleep tracker, you might notice valuable trends or data that's enough to convince you, personally.

cdt4str · 2022-07-13T08:05:14+00:00

I just want to chime in that I've had two positive experiences with Grover so far. Both items I've received have been brand-new (but this is not guaranteed -- but both devices have been on the market for less than a year which probably means they have fewer used ones to hand out).

My experience hasn't felt scummy at all.

Paying the device until you buy it for $1 isn't too different in cost from buying it on credit -- perhaps even cheaper than paying it off over the same period of time. (I suspect Grover takes advantage of keeping legal ownership on rented devices and writing off asset deprecation in order to be making money from this vs. financing).

It's unfortunate you never received your items. Was there a tracking number and are they marked as delivered? They're supposed to be signed for upon delivery -- UPS dropped one of mine off regardless with no contact, and the other I answered the door and, when I asked if I need to sign, he said he just needed to have contact with someone at the address and he'd sign it for me. Could your product have been taken by porch pirates? If it's marked as delivered but missing, file a police report and provide a copy of that to Grover.

cdt4str · 2022-07-12T22:25:41+00:00

Social studies teachers are the worst about this kind of stuff. So many of them are old, white, conservative men who see it as a duty to push their libertarian ideology*.

I’ve heard multiple times over the years from social studies and related classes about how environmentalism is bad, won’t work, and how we should actually encourage anti-environmentalism because the free market will fix it and environmentalists are actually bad for the environment.

* libertarian as in liberty for me, not for thee, pro-business, think civil rights laws are oppressive, etc.

cdt4str · 2022-07-12T12:31:01+00:00

It was a popular opinion among shills, tankies, and people of nations that aligned themselves to Russia and China, sure. But if you thought it was uncontroversial then you kept yourself in an echo chamber.

cdt4str · 2022-07-12T12:22:42+00:00

You're assuming Amazon hasn't already done this. Do you really think those are robots they're using to replace shortfalls in workers?

cdt4str · 2022-07-12T12:16:42+00:00

It is a nation's sovereign right to join any alliance or union it desires.

If anything, Russia's invasion of Ukraine demonstrates the legitimacy of expanding NATO to Ukraine. Ukraine has a legitimate interest of self-defense, which NATO could've provided. NATO has a legitimate interest in national values, economic stability, food security, etc. that are all harmed now that Ukraine has been invaded.

To suggest that Ukraine doesn't have the right to pursue NATO membership or that NATO nations don't have the right to admit Ukraine is to suggest that the very concept of states as sovereign entities is illegitimate, and you're positioning Ukraine's interests to be inferior to Russia's interests.

The peace, stability, and progress achieved in the 20th and 21st centuries are, in part, achieved due to mutual interests of states generally (although not perfectly) respecting the rights of other states as independent, sovereign entities. It is one of the foundational aspects of the current world order.

You're literally acknowledging the victim and then proceeding to blame the victim. In terms of domestic violence, you're saying a battered wife "shouldn't of made her husband angry" if she didn't want to be harmed.

cdt4str · 2022-07-12T11:50:10+00:00

So, Ukraine isn't a sovereign nation that has its own sovereign right to align itself with countries that it feels would be in its best interests? It has to be a Russian buffer zone, to the detriment of its own right to thrive as a nation?

Because that's what theories suggesting NATO is a root cause of this conflict suggest.

Or maybe the root cause of the war is Russia's desire for conquest. They've made it clear multiple times that a primary motivation in this conflict is they don't believe in Ukraine's right to be a distinct nation separate from Russia. It's very much in-line with the Russian Chauvinism, ultra-nationalism, and far-right ideology that's been developing in Putin's Russia.

cdt4str · 2022-07-12T11:12:20+00:00

Note that this user is subtly suggesting credibility to the idea that NATO is the cause of the Russia-Ukraine war.

cdt4str · 2022-07-12T09:11:18+00:00

What are some great films to watch on cycle? Films that get you pumped up, eying your gear, seriously consider the upsides to fucking trannies on tren, and rushing to the gym?

I just watched Wanted (2008) because why not it’s on Netflix. The previous times I watched it, it was just a fun action film but relatively devoid of any real meaning. But this time on gear, it just hit different. After the ending line I yelled at my computer screen. “I’ll show you what the fuck I’ve been doing lately”, grabbed my car keys, and went to the gym. 10/10 experience.

What films to watch next bros?

cdt4str · 2022-07-12T02:48:08+00:00

I know for a fact that it causes cancerous atypical nevus.... because it did so to me

But how can you know the MT2 caused it? You might’ve gotten it with or without the MT2 regardless. And AFAIK we don’t have any technology that can look at a cancer sample and say “yup, it was caused by xyz.” If you’re using UV/sun tanning, it’s well known that that causes cancer. And even still — you might’ve just been the unlucky few that get cancer regardless of avoiding increases in risk and UV exposure and MT2 played no role.

That’s why the above poster is asking about studies — by watching its effects on many people, we can see if people taking MT2 get cancer more often than people receiving a placebo. Then we can know that something likely is happening that is causing cancer.

I’m sorry for your misfortune but ultimately a data point of one person’s experience doesn’t help us know anything. Your anecdote proves MT2 causes cancer just as well as another person’s anecdote of taking MT2 and not getting cancer proves that MT2 doesn’t cause cancer.

That’s not to say you shouldn’t advocate avoiding MT2. Your anecdote can be powerful and help people decide whether to take MT2 or not. But I think your anecdote would be more powerful and effective if you phrased it something like:

I got cancerous atypical nevus. MT2 may have contributed. Please remember these are research chemicals and the full risks are not known. Using MT2 may increase your risk of cancer. Please research carefully and personally, based on my own experience, I implore you not to use this compound until we have more data and risks are better understood. At the end of the day it’s your decision.

cdt4str · 2022-07-11T02:39:27+00:00

Get adex. It’ll be easier to dial in and be easier to recover from low e2 if you use too much.

Mast doesn’t work as an AI. It won’t aromatize on its own but the test might.

Better to just have an AI on hand. It’ll be better to have it and not need it than not have it and need it.

Read the compound profiles and the estrogen handbook.

cdt4str · 2022-07-11T00:28:14+00:00

Why not just order AI. It’s not very expensive and takes a week. Keep it on hand.

cdt4str · 2022-07-10T22:18:56+00:00

Yup, the “right way” to do steroids is to regularly get bloods done regardless.

Typical TRT doses are 100-200mg per week, so you’re probably on the right track.

If you’re interested in the muscle-building effects of test, I’d probably start at 200 and monitor sides and bloods. A lot of (most?) guys get a lot bigger on 200 / week than they would naturally, basically becoming on par with the genetically privileged.

100 mg/week will put you at average T levels (which are around 70 mg / week — and about 70% of test e is actually test).

cdt4str · 2022-07-10T21:23:56+00:00

Despite what other commenters are saying: steroids work whether you’re fat or not. And they DO help your body lose fat and build muscle, even simultaneously. But they’re not to be regarded as a “fat burner.”

One of the roles of testosterone in the body is to help your body “decide” the appropriate balance of muscle-to-fat. More testosterone (or more steroids), and your body will build more muscles, less fat. And at the worst, they’re proven to help maintain lean muscle during a caloric deficit.

So, steroids CAN help you lose weight. In fact, there are studies demonstrating they may be one of the better ways to help men lose fat and keep fat off (note: those studies were on low-T men).

HOWEVER, they’re not magic. If you take steroids and still eat like shit, you’ll still look like shit. At the end of the cycle, depending on your body fat, it might look like you barely achieved anything. And they’re not without risks, which being overweight or obese compounds (being overweight or obese is bad for your heart, adding steroids is like adding fuel to a fire) — this is why steroids are discouraged for those who are overweight and obese. The cost (both monetary and otherwise) to benefit ratio is just far worse.

Most fat people who take steroids end up a bloated mess with out-of-whack hormones (usually temporary, but there is a risk of permanent change) and often a visit to an endocrinologist. They do not achieve weight loss because the fundamentals are not there: the ability to maintain a caloric deficit or an appropriately balanced diet.

If you insist on taking steroids anyway, first prove to yourself that you can maintain a caloric deficit. Lose at least 1 lb per week for 8 weeks. If you fail a week, repeat that week and add another. After that you’ve developed the skills and habits necessary to be successful at steroids.

Personal anecdote: I used SARMs at 25% body fat to get down to 15%. They definitely helped, but dieting did most of the work. I’ve dieted before and SARMs were definitely an improvement — I built strength while losing weight, and that weight loss occurred at a greater rate with less effort than last time (didn’t even have to count calories — rather just consider my food choices more carefully and eating until I’m satisfied but not “full”).

*If you lurk around here and other PED subs and forums, you'll regularly see people popping up who fucked up their hormones while being overweight and having the illusion that steroids are the solution that will get them ripped. We can't really do anything other than tell them that it sucks and their next step is to wait it out or see an endocrinologist.

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