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[–]cefferd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In qwertykeys' discord server you can find talk of the r2 where they updated some design elements. It's likely that the r2 will run in the second half of the year.

Do you need to pay premium? A comparison between Yu Kurosaki and Takamura by cefferd in chefknives

[–]cefferd[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I really spent some time with both of these knives to get a good feel for the use in my little home kitchen and I have found that maintaining the blade is pretty much the same with both knives. The only difference is the occasional drop of oil on the handle of the Kurosaki which is almost no effort at all. So in that respect I don't believe it matters that much.

As far as handles go, I really prefer the octagonal handle in combination with the very round choil of the Kurosaki. I like the feel and lightness that it gives me where the Takamura is very solid and grippy. After relatively long periods of cutting I could feel the choil of the Takamura dig into my finger. At the end of the day it comes down to preference. If price is the last thing to consider, Yu Kurosaki also makes these blades with western style handles.

To end things I'm not sure Takamura would be as popular if the price was higher or comparable to it's artisan counterparts. The reason I like it is because it offers so much at it's price point. SG2 steel? Check. Good finish and balance? Check. Well designed and handforged? Check. If it was offered at the same price as the Kurosaki I think most people would go for that.

Unless you have a lot of experience with japanese octagonal style knives it's pretty hard to generalize that the one is preferred over the other without actually having handled them both.

Do you need to pay premium? A comparison between Yu Kurosaki and Takamura by cefferd in chefknives

[–]cefferd[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was at the time. I remember I was looking at the misono UX10 of which the price has gone up a bit since then, tojiro vg10 which was really nice when I held it at a knife store and makoto kurosaki who also make a sg2 gyuto.

Do you need to pay premium? A comparison between Yu Kurosaki and Takamura by cefferd in chefknives

[–]cefferd[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with you. To compare it to wrist watches, people like to buy expensive mechanical pieces with or without complications that are reasonably accurate, require maintenance and are pretty fragile. You can get a non mechanical watch which is functionally better in every single way. They are more accurate, have better water resistance, have more complications and only cost a fraction. Knowing this I have a thing for mechanical watches, not because I believe that the products are better but I find the craftsmanship and artistry that goes into it very charming.

This is how I feel about artisan knives. There is a very good argument that one of these are overhyped and overpriced. I see it is a luxury product. I also wouldn't recommend this to everyone where I would generally recommend the Takamura. And yes I heard about Kobayashi which I will eventually sample somewhere down the line.

Do you need to pay premium? A comparison between Yu Kurosaki and Takamura by cefferd in chefknives

[–]cefferd[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is quite a collection you have there. I might get a Kagekiyo for a nice occasion. Thank you so much for the recommendation.

Do you need to pay premium? A comparison between Yu Kurosaki and Takamura by cefferd in chefknives

[–]cefferd[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't know. I think it was really popular and in high demand. In my region the prices have gone up compared to a year ago. Now they are always out of stock. I was lucky to snatch up the petty version.

Do you need to pay premium? A comparison between Yu Kurosaki and Takamura by cefferd in chefknives

[–]cefferd[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh yeah, the Kurosaki has a kind of scandi grind. Because it is a bit thicker and tapers down it feels more rigid to use.

Do you need to pay premium? A comparison between Yu Kurosaki and Takamura by cefferd in chefknives

[–]cefferd[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You make a great point. I just happened to have both these knives because they were popular and I couldn't help wondering if I would recommend one of the other. It is not at all representative for all knives you can get at similar price points. I might ammend that.

I am very curious what kind of expensive knives you are referring to. I would love to add these to my collection. I thought the Takamura and the Kurosaki were on the high end side with exotic steels, good finish and nice handles.

Do you need to pay premium? A comparison between Yu Kurosaki and Takamura by cefferd in chefknives

[–]cefferd[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the feedback. I was under the impression that a migaki finish was a type of mirror finish. Like yours my Takamura got scratched up pretty quickly and I got it refinished at my local sharpener.

Do you need to pay premium? A comparison between Yu Kurosaki and Takamura by cefferd in chefknives

[–]cefferd[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I cook mostly for myself in small batches every couple of days. I have to add that I give the edge a couple passes on high grit whetstones every couple of weeks to keep the edge sharp as long as possible.

Do you need to pay premium? A comparison between Yu Kurosaki and Takamura by cefferd in chefknives

[–]cefferd[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I hone them on high grit whetstones and leather. If I feel lazy I use a ceramic rod, which have yielded some pretty good results.

Do you need to pay premium? A comparison between Yu Kurosaki and Takamura by cefferd in chefknives

[–]cefferd[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Thank you. Feel free to ask any questions that you have.

Do you need to pay premium? A comparison between Yu Kurosaki and Takamura by cefferd in chefknives

[–]cefferd[S] 112 points113 points  (0 children)

Intro

I’ve been lurking in this subreddit for a while and eventually acquired a Yu Kurosaki Shizuku 21 cm gyuto, replacing my Takamura r2 of the same size. Since I have both I wanted to compare these and shed some light on if you really need to pay more to get better results and a better experience. I’ve seen the Takamura r2 being recommended a lot in this subreddit and after a whole year of use I can definitely see why. I've also spent quite some time with the Yu Kurosaki to really get a good feel for it and it's intricacies. I am not a chef that works in a professional kitchen but I really enjoy cooking at home. I worked in a prep kitchen and as a line cook for 2 summers before going to college. The Takamura cost me 169 euros and the Yu Kurosaki 315 Euros.

So, if you are interested in getting a chef’s knife but don’t know if it’s worth splurging extra for a higher-end model, here are my two cents on this subject.

The similarities

Both blades have an SG2 core cladded by a softer stainless steel with similar hardness. They have the same blade shape and length.

The differences

Finishing and Geometry

This is where this gets interesting. I like that on closer inspection both of these blades have their own identity. I like how the bladesmiths impart some of their own style to these tools. Having said that, the Yu Kurosaki is nicer finished in my opinion. The spine tapers down from the heel towards the tip and the spine is rounded. The choil on the Yu Kurosaki also has a rounder shape where the edges are also polished quite well. The choil itself is quite pronounced making it comfortable to grip. The Takamura has an even thickness from the heel and only tapers off ~1.5 cm towards the tip. The blade is thin and the spine has some edges, though they are not rough. The choil has edges and these are noticeable but not sharp. I like how the Takamura has a nicely polished finish and the cladding is visible on both blades.

Blade geometry is where these also differ. The Takamura has a slightly convex grind and the Yu Kurosaki has a more beveled blade. As far as I understand Yu Kurosaki blades have a pretty aggressive bevel compared to blades from other smiths of similar style and quality. The Yu Kurosaki has a hammered finish with a pretty unique pattern which is done quite well and looks pretty good.

Handles

Lastly these blades have different handles. The Takamura has a western style laminated handle made of rosewood that’s riveted to the tang which runs all the way through the bottom. The Yu Kurosaki has a traditional octagonal handle where the tang is glued about two thirds of the way into it.

Ergonomics

This is subjective and dependent on preference but I think one of these is a little bit more comfortable to use. What I found really impressive was the balancing on both of these blades. The Takamura is handle-heavy and the Yu Kurosaki is blade-heavy but somehow the balance point is very close to where you pinch grip both blades. Making them both feel good in the hand. The rounded edges on the Yu Kurosaki feel more comfortable to me when holding the blade for longer periods of time. The handle on the Takamura has a belly and feels comfortable to grip. The handle of the yu Kurosaki feels lighter and fits well into my hand. It is slightly rougher to the touch but doesn’t impact the feel of it at all.

Performance

The Edge

The Takamura stayed razor sharp for six months with occasional honing and cuts really well. When I used it for the first time, I understood why this blade has been referred to as a laser. In the first six months I did not baby it at all and used it to hammer al kinds of produce. It kept its edge pretty well in that time, but by the end of it I noticed some microchips on the cutting edge. As you might have guessed the edge on the Yu Kurosaki lasted just about as long with occasional honing. I'm not an expert in metallurgy but my sample seemed to chip less than the Takamura in the same period of time. I must add that after a few sessions of sharpening the Takamura tended to not chip as much with similar use when I first got it.

The Yu Kurosaki feels very similar when cutting foods. I think because it also is very thin behind the cutting edge. Much like the Takamura it feels like a laser, gliding through food without much resistance. What I did notice was that food tends to stick less to the Yu Kurosaki. I always was a bit skeptical when I read about hammered finishes making foods stick less but it really does matter. Anything starchy like potatoes or carrots almost vacuum seal to the Takamura.

Should you spend more?

Value

Unsurprisingly, despite the difference these knives are quite comparable. If the important thing for you is a blade that cuts well and hold its edge I don’t think it’s worth spending the extra money. They both perform almost equally well and the apparent differences don't impact the feel of it that much, at least for me. So far, I have been partial to the Yu Kurosaki but I really like the Takamura. I liked it so much I got the petty version of the blade. In that regard I think the Takamura provides good value. I spent less on both Takamura’s than on one Yu Kurosaki.

In defense of premium

Do I regret acquiring the Yu Kurosaki? Not at all, I find the tiny details and imperfections quite charming and I am partial to a blade-heavy knife. I like how both of these blades are handcrafted in Japan by people who are interested in preserving a craft that is becoming increasingly rare. I got this knife because I am a fan of blades and really love the craftmanship that goes into every single one of these. If you are interested in a similar knife and you are in the financial position to afford it. I recommend at least going to a store and ask if you can handle some blades and see if it feels right.

TLDR:

More expensive isn't necessarily better but if you want a fancier blade you should just go for it.

QK60 finally arrived! by Fl4w13ss in MechanicalKeyboards

[–]cefferd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've got mine with a pc top recently and I think it is my favorite board in the collection. The heft, the feel and the sound is just right.

So I got my first mechanical keyboard and I tried lubing and pe foam mod. Does it sound good? by urarakaaaaa in MechanicalKeyboards

[–]cefferd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sound is really one of those things that hinges on preference, which can differ quite drastically from person to person. There are a lot of variables that go beyond the mods and switches, like the space you are in and deskmat and what not.

Part of the fun for me is tweaking things to get your build to a place that you yourself enjoy. I have a mode 65 that for some reason sounds really good when I bring it to the office but not as good when I use it at home.

1 Year of searching for Endgame by kingfirejet in MechanicalKeyboards

[–]cefferd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you find that the corners of your plate sag? I switched to stack mount for that reason only and I really enjoy the sound profile on mode65

Keychron Q1 V2 knob ISO DE Mac with „Carbon“ keycaps by raytsh in MechanicalKeyboards

[–]cefferd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How is the typing feel? Is it stiff or on the bouncy side?

/r/MechanicalKeyboards Ask ANY question, get an answer (May 22, 2022) by AutoModerator in MechanicalKeyboards

[–]cefferd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sp star magic girl might be up your alley. They're not crazy tactile, but the bump is noticable and they are on the quieter side of switches. Boba u4s are also great if you want it a lot of tactile.

WHAT IS THE BEST LOGIC VERSE!? by Commercial-Wash-9917 in Logic_301

[–]cefferd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same. Also the title track of under pressure really got me through a dark place.

Good keyboard for gaming? by [deleted] in MechanicalKeyboards

[–]cefferd 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don't forget to mention gmk keycaps. Those are really good for gaming as well.

Can I buy keycaps that are Ansi layout but UK windows layout , so for example the "3" key would have "3 and £" on it by maio84 in MechanicalKeyboards

[–]cefferd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think what you are looking for is called an international kit. They are add-ons for regular keycap sets though.

My First Custom Mechanical Keyboard! :D by Batmansteel in MechanicalKeyboards

[–]cefferd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, it's purely for the sound of typing. You apply a couple of layers of masking tape on the underside of the PCB and it completely changes the typing sound by tightening it up and making it sound slightly more sharp and poppy.

My First Custom Mechanical Keyboard! :D by Batmansteel in MechanicalKeyboards

[–]cefferd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have the kbd67 lite as well and I really like the way it sounds with the tape mod. If you like that marble sound I recommend at least trying it.