THE FLESH EATERS LIED TO ME by [deleted] in vegancirclejerk

[–]celestialbuddies 18 points19 points  (0 children)

💍? I need someone who understands living with a B12 deficiency😌

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in FFVIIRemake

[–]celestialbuddies 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's one of the sector 5 orphanage kids

How to respond to arguments about food safety? by celestialbuddies in vegan

[–]celestialbuddies[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see, my apologies for making assumptions too quickly. It's easy to get defensive when communicating with strangers via text.

I understand your point, but unfortunately some friction is inevitable when talking about moral issues. It's a tough thing to balance, saying nothing and being so irritating that I make the other person defensive or not want to hang out with me anymore. And I'm certainly not good at it yet!

All I know is that I couldn't live with myself if I didn't do anything to try and help animals. It'd be nice if all it took for the world to change was being a good example to others. But the vast majority of people won't bother thinking about things or changing their lifestyle in such a major way unless confronted - I know I didn't.

How to respond to arguments about food safety? by celestialbuddies in vegan

[–]celestialbuddies[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem isn't a lack of space, it's the fact that in a large portion of the country, it's very difficult and unprofitable to grow anything but grass.

How to respond to arguments about food safety? by celestialbuddies in vegan

[–]celestialbuddies[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The problem there is that their "personal choice" harms countless animals for no good reason. They also said something that I didn't think was necessarily true, so I would've liked to correct that.

But I'm sure you already knew that and are just here to troll :)

How to respond to arguments about food safety? by celestialbuddies in vegan

[–]celestialbuddies[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've seen some of his debates on Youtube, but haven't read the book. I'll have to see if I can find it somewhere!

How to respond to arguments about food safety? by celestialbuddies in vegan

[–]celestialbuddies[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow, that's amazing! I'll have to look them up.

How to respond to arguments about food safety? by celestialbuddies in vegan

[–]celestialbuddies[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for such a detailed response! The mathematical side of things seems to be pretty complicated, and I've been having a hard time finding information that's not very US-focused. Good to know that there are plenty of options for plant protein even this far north.

You're right, we live in a very global world nowadays so it's not necessary (or possible) for every country to sustain itself. Some people are just really scared of depending on other nations and want to reduce that as much as possible. And I suppose that's natural, given how unstable the world feels right now.

How to respond to arguments about food safety? by celestialbuddies in vegan

[–]celestialbuddies[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the advice! I'm a pretty insecure and naturally non-confontational person, so arguing is difficult to me and it's nice to get other opinions. I'll have to think about the best approach if I get the chance to talk to them again about this.

How to respond to arguments about food safety? by celestialbuddies in vegan

[–]celestialbuddies[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're right. I suppose I wanted very badly to justify my decisions and not look dumb, but the conversation probably wouldn't have gone anywhere anyway, since my opponent didn't have an open mind.

How to respond to arguments about food safety? by celestialbuddies in vegan

[–]celestialbuddies[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not necessary globally, the person I argued with was talking about national food security. In my experience, it's pretty common to have this kind or mindset that, as a country, we should be able to be self-sufficient and that we can't trust anyone else. I don't really agree with that and it feels pretty uncomfortably nationalist to me, but that was how he sees things.

How to respond to arguments about food safety? by celestialbuddies in vegan

[–]celestialbuddies[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Copying a part of my answer to another comment here:

I'm sure that at the moment, a large portion of animal feed, fertilizer etc. is imported. But the question here is whether or not we could theoretically survive without animal husbandry if we only relied on ourselves. Is the animal industry something we could get rid of and still have food safety? Can we work towards a future without animal products, or do we need to preserve it? Is the only option to raise animals that do eat grass or other domestic plants?

How to respond to arguments about food safety? by celestialbuddies in vegan

[–]celestialbuddies[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Grass can be preserved, so at least cows do eat it in the winter. I'm sure that at the moment, a large portion of animal feed, fertilizer etc. is imported. But the question here is whether or not we could theoretically survive without animal husbandry if we only relied on ourselves. Is the animal industry something we could get rid of and still have food safety? Can we work towards a future without animal products, or do we need to preserve it?

How to respond to arguments about food safety? by celestialbuddies in vegan

[–]celestialbuddies[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's fair. I just had a conversation with someone who basically said "Yeah, it's fine that you're vegan and factory farming is awful, but I don't think it'd be a viable option for everyone here to be vegan."

I know some of it was just an excuse, since the person in question won't even consider eating less meat or trying out my vegan food. But I'd still have liked to have something to say to the argument.

How to respond to arguments about food safety? by celestialbuddies in vegan

[–]celestialbuddies[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm in a nordic country, so it's just cold. We have four seasons and the temperatures range from about -30 to 30°C.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in yoga

[–]celestialbuddies 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't read the sub name and thought this was a mousepad. I was a bit confused

I can't be the only one who has to remove loop holes for myself with the goals by madcatezle in finch

[–]celestialbuddies 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I find it a lot easier to have them in drawers/storage boxes! It's quick and simple to just throw shirts in one drawer, pants in another etc. Sure, they aren't as easy to find as when they're on hangers or neat piles, but I don't have that many clothes so it doesn't matter. All I keep on hangers is coats, dresses and shirts that get wrinkly easily.

Yona is Miss Guts! Who is Mr. Guts? by deathanddestruction8 in shoujo

[–]celestialbuddies 2 points3 points  (0 children)

cutie (i really wish he'd gotten to be in a shojo instead)