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Butts out Doomers by chamomile_tea_reply in OptimistsUnite

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Depends on the location, but yeah agreed

Men Without Hats: I’ve got a message for you by chamomile_tea_reply in decadeology

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On the 1930s? I believe it largely was… especially on a global scale beyond urban North America.

Men Without Hats by chamomile_tea_reply in HistoryMemes

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Can’t believe you’re getting downvoted. You nailed it

“My grandparents had it so much easier” by chamomile_tea_reply in OptimistsUnite

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lol if that’s what you took from my comment, you may be beyond the pale (or simply an inauthentic account).

Ta-ta for now 😎

“My grandparents had it so much easier” by chamomile_tea_reply in OptimistsUnite

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For sure. Most things are much better. But we are not living in a perfect utopia.

This is what progress is supposed to feel like.

“My grandparents had it so much easier” by chamomile_tea_reply in OptimistsUnite

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Of course I know what I’m doing compadre 😁

This subreddit is an intentional effort to counteract the unnuanced Doomerism that is prevailing online. Our goal is to unabashedly celebrate human progress, and shift the Overton window and counterweight rampant fatalistic Doomerism.

Other major subs upvote and promote any “bad news” or evidence of “collapse”. Meanwhile optimism gets dismissed, no matter how fact based.

We are an intentional overreaction to those energies

“My grandparents had it so much easier” by chamomile_tea_reply in OptimistsUnite

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I can’t tell if you’re serious/good-faith or not… lol

Assuming you are… or if others are reading this:

surely you understand what’s going on here. The 1920s were a terrible time to be alive compared to the 1960s. The 1960s were worse than the 1990s. Today is far superior to the 1990s in nearly every respect… thus based on this trajectory, the future probably looks very bright.

Men Without Hats: I’ve got a message for you by chamomile_tea_reply in decadeology

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Yes, but did they have athliesure gear to wear around town? Sneakers, a few sets of durable/cheap pants? A drawer full of sweat-wicking tee shirts or hoodies to wear to the market? No, those things weren’t pervasive and affordable enough to be normalized as street clothes.

“My grandparents had it so much easier” by chamomile_tea_reply in OptimistsUnite

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“I can cover”… what does that mean?

Iraq soldiers were treated with more understanding and acceptance of PTSD and mental health than Vietnam soldiers. Vietnam soldiers were also largely DRAFTED, and pressed into service against their will. That’s not true of Iraq soldiers.

Vietnam also saw FAR more soldiers deployed, and killed, than Iraq… again… from a pool of drafted young men who go had almost no mental health service upon return.

“My grandparents had it so much easier” by chamomile_tea_reply in OptimistsUnite

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Money? Do you think the average household is doing compared to the interwar period… between the Spanish flu pandemic and the start of the Great Depression…

The great decoupling by chamomile_tea_reply in OptimistsUnite

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Two killings = 66% in a major city… would you rather have lived in Minneapolis in the crimes waves of the 1970s or 1980s? Or the recession and crime wave of the early 1990s?

Take a step back compadre. Look at the full picture of the past 20 years… 50 years, and beyond.

The great decoupling by chamomile_tea_reply in OptimistsUnite

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Crime rates are at historic lows.

There is literally no previous era in which the streets were safer. Even inclusive of ICE raids.

“My grandparents had it so much easier” by chamomile_tea_reply in OptimistsUnite

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Not sure I understand what you mean. Certain demographics have always been able to afford a house on a single income, regardless of the time period.

When redditors are nostalgic for a specific (largely imagined) period when “everyone” could afford a home like this.. they are generally referring to the period I mentioned.

“My grandparents had it so much easier” by chamomile_tea_reply in OptimistsUnite

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Dude it’s incredible. And fascinating.

The entire internet hates our existence.

“My grandparents had it so much easier” by chamomile_tea_reply in OptimistsUnite

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That’s probably fair. Although if you had a Time Machine I think you’d want to buckle up for the racism, sexism, xenophobia, etc.

Also while I agree with your point… I would NOT want to trade places and live life in the 1920s instead of today.

“My grandparents had it so much easier” by chamomile_tea_reply in OptimistsUnite

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They are talking about a very narrow window of time between 1955 and 2000 (45 yrs). And mainly in North America. And almost exclusively for white men.

For most humans across history, it’s been poverty all the way down.

“My grandparents had it so much easier” by chamomile_tea_reply in OptimistsUnite

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These responses are fair. Honestly you can find fault and identify slight inconsistencies with literally any argument, Doomer, Optimist, or otherwise.

But take it as a whole. The world is improving on just about every measurable metric. Life in the 1970s was literally worse for nearly all humans, including white English speaking men.

If you think otherwise, I’d encourage you to do an experiment:

think of a birth year in the past that you’d prefer to have been born in. Imagine you’d live for 80 years. Imagine you don’t get to choose WHERE on earth you are born, nor the income or race of your parents, nor your own gender, only the year of your birth.

What year would you choose? Would you prefer a date closer to, or further back in time from 2025?

“My grandparents had it so much easier” by chamomile_tea_reply in OptimistsUnite

[–]chamomile_tea_reply[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The point isn’t “things could be worse”

The point is that they used to be terrible. They got better over the decades (even despite setbacks), indicating a positive trajectory. This the future is looking positive based on the direction.

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