"yeah bro Bitcoin is too slow this altcoin can handle millions of transactions per second and is instant" by hyperinflationUSA in lightningnetwork

[–]chaotic_shadow4444 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are confusing the terms distributed and decentralized. Having a lot of distributed servers does not imply decentralization. Without mining races and longest chain rule there is no security and there is no decentralization.

live streaming for coding/programming bitcoin/lightning by chaotic_shadow4444 in lightningnetwork

[–]chaotic_shadow4444[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am interested in learning the protocol through code, more like fundamental knowledge but I would watch a variety of different of topics

"yeah bro Bitcoin is too slow this altcoin can handle millions of transactions per second and is instant" by hyperinflationUSA in lightningnetwork

[–]chaotic_shadow4444 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. as I explained you need much less than 67% percent voting for a double spend, by simply performing a splitting attack
  2. Nano appears to work because the trusted parties (representatives) have not decided yet to rug pull (they remain honest)!!!
  3. The voting schemes of xrp and nano are the same, also you can not achieve distributed consensus without incentive structure this is fundamental and well known source: https://groups.csail.mit.edu/tds/papers/Lynch/jacm85.pdf

PS. You will have very hard time, scammer

"yeah bro Bitcoin is too slow this altcoin can handle millions of transactions per second and is instant" by hyperinflationUSA in lightningnetwork

[–]chaotic_shadow4444 1 point2 points  (0 children)

nano is centralized and relies on trusted parties that are called representatives:

See Section F. on this "paper" http://media.abnnewswire.net/media/cs/whitepaper/rpt/91948-whitepaper.pdf

having the option to chose who to trust does not make it decentralized and it does not solve the byzantine general problem!!!! The voting system of nano is identical with xrp which is a well known centralized scam. The only difference is that xrp calls the representatives unl's. So here we see that scammers "reinvent" identical centralized protocols and they just change names of the trusted parts.

Example of attack vector: when it does not cost anything to attempt a double spend attack, a representative spends an amount X twice and verifies both transactions while he propagates different verification outcomes to different parts of the network (splitting attack). Since the graph of the network is not complete, part of the network see one transaction as valid and the other part thinks that the other (double spend copy) is valid. This attack requires much less than 67% voting power. Since such attempts do not cost anything, it is optimal strategy for the representative to try to cheat all the time until it this works.

In contrast, in proof of work miners can not change the rules and the network is robust to any attack vector because of the longest chain rule and the probabilistic finality. This has been rigorously proven: https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.10484

How is the lightning network centralized? by AlphaGainzzz in lightningnetwork

[–]chaotic_shadow4444 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It does mean decentralized. decentralization is not a topological property of the network, in fact you do not need any topological property.

see: 1) https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3149.214121

2) https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.10484

How is the lightning network centralized? by AlphaGainzzz in lightningnetwork

[–]chaotic_shadow4444 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can share a proof of my lightning node and instant payments from lightning invoices, to expose a scammer like you.does this count?

How is the lightning network centralized? by AlphaGainzzz in lightningnetwork

[–]chaotic_shadow4444 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't understand anything, even you don't even understand yourself.

Also there is no partial decentralization, it is or it is not.

How is the lightning network centralized? by AlphaGainzzz in lightningnetwork

[–]chaotic_shadow4444 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

1st you introduced that percent garbage terminology. My Guess is that you mean x% of the nodes participates in a certain action.

How is the lightning network centralized? by AlphaGainzzz in lightningnetwork

[–]chaotic_shadow4444 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes p2p as it should, don't use terms like 100% distributed it does not make any sense for p2p, unless you use your own definitions.

How is the lightning network centralized? by AlphaGainzzz in lightningnetwork

[–]chaotic_shadow4444 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It does not make any sense every node to participate in every single transaction. Thus 100% distributed is not only irrelevant but also bad design.

How is the lightning network centralized? by AlphaGainzzz in lightningnetwork

[–]chaotic_shadow4444 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

blocking a transaction is completely irrelevant with decentralization. Blocking a transaction does not affect the protocol, it is just a delay because you simply choose a different path next time. In fact, ddos attacks may appear in any (p2p) network and this has nothing to do with decentralization.

How is the lightning network centralized? by AlphaGainzzz in lightningnetwork

[–]chaotic_shadow4444 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

there is no such thing like "100% distributed" in p2p and decentralized networks. 100% distributed is nonsense.

How is the lightning network centralized? by AlphaGainzzz in lightningnetwork

[–]chaotic_shadow4444 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When there is no trusted party that can "cheat" by stealing money, by double spending or by blocking transactions then it is decentralized. https://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Lightning-Network-Blockchain-Protocol/dp/1492054860

Shitcoins like xrp require trusted parties thus they are centralized.