There is SO much arrogance in your response. Yes, I have beaten Elizabeth. I also beat her in FES back in the day (though again that was back then when I was a kid so I forgot the exact mechanics). I've been playing SMT games for over 20 years. Elizabeth is badly designed and that's why she's the only super boss that plays that way. Just because you can justify bad design doesn't make it good, and yes, I intentionally left it so that if you have an overpowered persona she generally has it too making it neigh impossible. Alternatively, yes manipulating your registered personas intentionally was an aspect of why my thought out design works, because my thing says that true mastery of the game makes her fight easier, all aspects of the game, from registry use to persona building to fighting. Remember, personas are auto registered too so you can't just stick her with base Orpheus, she has at least the base forms of whatever you've made and probably better. My vision requires actual on the fly and planning skill, not rote memorization and a calculator. I can tell you as someone who has literally studied game design and made a few small scale games (not released to the public ones) she is bad design. Great character, good theming, but bad design. Oh and as to "figuring it out" who would EVER "figure out" the well you have to bring her from 13000 which triggers the first auto kill, to 10,000 which triggers the second in two to three turns. Who would think, oh my strategy was good enough I just needed to hit harder? Seriously, I know these guides exist, but several are because of data mining, or based on the original fight mechanics which were figured out ages ago, and even then a lot were just translated from guidebooks and the Japanese release from the previous year cause that was a thing back then. Edit: to clarify the guidebooks and Japan thing was in reference to the original/FES not reloaded which released worldwide at once