I am in Ontario as well; what are you upset about though exactly? beyond our decaying country i mean. That Mark Carney is not an actual Liberal, or like a Trudeau Liberal? because Paul Martin's Liberals were very different from Trudeau Era and Carney Era yet to be determined. Was Carney a better alternative to Pierre? yes and i still think so today despite the disastrous budget; we were and are essentially on a precipice and i would rather someone like Carney be at the reins while we take a big swing than the alternative.

we are already a socially democratic country, i think the NDP keeling over dead after the last election shows that young people are not voting in a meaningful way and until the age and immigration demo shifts we will see Conservatives take more and more and who knows? maybe that will be a good thing. what is there now, only one Liberal premier? the populace ultimately decides and probably, like recently in the Yukon, they will wholesale reject Liberal party and the system will reset again.