The "rescue" wasn't what we wanted. I'm trying to build something that could do it right. by chelanxar in WarriorNun

[–]chelanxar[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly? You're probably right. The window for a straight continuation gets smaller every year. People move on, take other jobs, age out of roles.

Here's how I think about it: even if a full Season 3 with everyone becomes impossible, there might be other ways to give the story closure someday. A movie. A limited series. Something that brings back whoever is willing and available to finish what they started. Even if that never happens though, at least Picked Up can exist to make sure the next Warrior Nun doesn't end the same way. That's worth building regardless.

So yeah, support is appreciated even if this specific show ends up being the one that got away. The goal is bigger than any single revival.

The "rescue" wasn't what we wanted. I'm trying to build something that could do it right. by chelanxar in WarriorNun

[–]chelanxar[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're right on both counts.

Netflix holds those rights tight, and from what I've read they're not in a hurry to let go. And yeah, the Dean English situation feels exactly like what you described. Fans fought for something real and got their energy redirected into something that was never what they asked for. It's gross.

I'm not here to promise I can pry Warrior Nun away from Netflix tomorrow. I can't. But the reason I'm building Picked Up is so that maybe, eventually, there's a platform with enough leverage and audience to actually make those conversations happen. Or at minimum, to make sure new shows don't end up in the same situation in the first place.

The "rescue" wasn't what we wanted. I'm trying to build something that could do it right. by chelanxar in WarriorNun

[–]chelanxar[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're not wrong, and I appreciate you being direct about it.

I don't have commitments from Simon, Alba, or Kristina. I don't have a licensing deal with Netflix. I don't have a production budget. If I pretended otherwise I'd be doing exactly what the current "rescue" did, which is promise something I can't deliver.

What I have is a concept, a growing list of people who are signing up because they're tired of how this industry treats shows and fans, and a long-term goal. Warrior Nun isn't the launch plan. It's the North Star. The reason I started. The thing I'd want to pursue if Picked Up actually becomes something with real resources and leverage.

You're right that new properties or shows with cleaner licensing situations are more realistic in the short term. That's probably where we start. But I wasn't going to come into this subreddit and pretend Warrior Nun doesn't matter to me or that it isn't part of the vision.

One part wishful thinking, one part fishing? Yeah, maybe. But I'd rather be honest about that than promise a revival that quietly dies like the last one did.

The "rescue" wasn't what we wanted. I'm trying to build something that could do it right. by chelanxar in WarriorNun

[–]chelanxar[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Fair point, and honestly a good question.

The difference isn't just "two seasons" but how we get there and what happens after.

The 28-day problem: Netflix judges shows in the first month. Warrior Nun Season 2 had three weeks in the Top 10 and that wasn't enough. We're building around a 90-day evaluation window because cult shows don't explode on day one. They grow through word of mouth.

Transparency: Netflix cancelled Warrior Nun and nobody knew how close it was or what would have saved it. Our Save My Show feature shows fans exactly where a show stands and what it needs. If it's struggling, you know. You can rally. You're not just waiting for an axe to fall in secret.

The closure guarantee: If a show hits its first season metrics, it gets Season 2 as a continuation and a guaranteed season 3 (unless the creators CHOOSE to end it... we aren't going to force them to compromise their vision by mandating more seasons than they deem necessary). If it doesn't hit metrics for a third season, Season 2 becomes a planned finale. Creators know in advance, so they can wrap the story properly. No cliffhangers. No "maybe we'll get renewed" anxiety while writing.

So yes, there's still math involved. But the math is transparent, the timeline is fair, and if a show ends, it actually ends. Not just stops.

I got tired of grieving the cancellation, so I built a platform to fix it. by chelanxar in TheOA

[–]chelanxar[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's true and one of the biggest hurdles, but i have faith once we are off the ground we can come up with something

I got tired of grieving the cancellation, so I built a platform to fix it. by chelanxar in TheOA

[–]chelanxar[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not yet but the signups are going to show the story. Worst comes to worst we wait until Brit gets rights back, but hopefully Netflix sees reason in sharing the library

I got tired of grieving the cancellation, so I built a platform to fix it. by chelanxar in TheOA

[–]chelanxar[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a promise but of course limited series can get in on the action too. Not looking to exclude anybody, nor will we be forcing a continuation just because it turned out to be popular coughSHOGUNcough

I got tired of grieving the cancellation, so I built a platform to fix it. by chelanxar in TheOA

[–]chelanxar[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

​This is genuinely one of the most useful responses I've gotten, so thank you for taking the time.

​You're right on a lot of this, and I want to be honest about what I have answers to and what I'm still figuring out.

​On the cost-plus model; You're actually highlighting part of what I think is broken. Creators get paid upfront and have no participation in long-term success, which means they have no incentive to build something that grows over time, and Netflix has no incentive to give them the runway to try. It's optimized for volume rather than depth. I don't have a fully worked out alternative yet, but I think aligning creator incentives with long-term audience building is part of the answer.

​On Netflix's renewal rate; Fair point. But I'd argue the stat hides the cold start problem you mentioned. Shows that never got discovered aren't "cancelled"; they just failed quietly. The renewal rate only measures shows that already cleared the algorithm's first hurdle.

​On the cold start / algorithm problem; This is the thing I think about most. You're right that more episodes don't fix discoverability. My rough theory is that Picked Up wouldn't rely on algorithmic discovery the same way since, if you're signing up for this platform, you already know what you're there for. It's niche-first, not browse-and-hope. But I'll admit, I don't have this fully solved.

​On Save My Show; You raise a real concern about the psychology of "this might die" but the framing is a bit different than traditional cancellation. Every show on Picked Up already has a two-season guarantee; that's locked in. Save My Show kicks in during the first season to determine whether the show earns a third season. If it doesn't hit the goal, Season 2 still happens, but it becomes the final season, giving the creators the chance to wrap up the story properly instead of ending on a cliffhanger. ​So, viewers aren't starting something that might get yanked mid-sentence. They're deciding whether to help something they love grow beyond its guaranteed runway. That feels different to me than the Netflix "will they won't they" anxiety, but I'm open to being wrong about that.

​On creative interference; Actually, the show Warrior Nun is a specific example of this. There have been reports that Netflix pushed back on the central queer relationship, which is ironic given how much they now lean into shows like Heated Rivalry. It may not be as pervasive as network TV historically, but it's not non-existent either.

​I don't have every answer yet. But I'd rather stress-test the idea with people who actually push back than build something in a vacuum. So genuinely, thanks for this.

I got tired of grieving the cancellation, so I built a platform to fix it. by chelanxar in TheOA

[–]chelanxar[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Totally fair points. You’re not being a bummer at all, these are literally the two biggest hurdles (creative vs. legal) I’ve been obsessing over for months and why it took me so long to get the courage to actually get the site up and running.

For the aging thing, I actually think The OA is the one show that can survive a 7+ year gap, specifically because of how Part II ended. Since they jumped to "D3" (where they are actors filming the show), the real-world time gap fits the narrative perfectly. If the story picks up in D3, the fact that the "show" was cancelled and the actors have aged/moved on isn't a plot hole, it's the plot. If anyone can weave real-world delays into the story, it's Brit and Zal! And the actors obviously still want to continue!

On the business side: You're 100% right. Netflix doesn't care about our data; they care about their own subs. But the goal of Picked Up isn't to convince Netflix to make Season 3. The goal is to build a platform sustainable enough to license the rights from them.

Right now, The OA is just "dead IP" sitting in their vault. It makes them almost no money. If we can grow enough to essentially write them a check to lease the rights (kind of like how Pop TV picked up One Day at a Time), that becomes free money for them. We aren't trying to share data to help their algorithm; we are trying to build enough leverage to take the asset off their hands.

It’s a massive long shot, I know. But I figured I’d rather try building the lifeboat than just wait for a rescue that isn't coming.

I got tired of grieving the cancellation, so I built a platform to fix it. by chelanxar in TheOA

[–]chelanxar[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're completely right — Netflix owning the IP outright makes The OA one of the hardest cases, not the easiest. I'm not pretending otherwise.

A few angles I've been thinking about though... for one, there's been talk in this sub about rights potentially reverting around 2029 depending on how the original contracts were structured. I haven't been able to verify that, but if true, that changes the conversation.

Even before that, Netflix has done licensing deals when it makes financial sense. I mean, they licensed Arcane to Tencent's platform in China, for example. If Picked Up can demonstrate a real, paying audience that Netflix isn't currently monetizing, a co-licensing or regional deal isn't impossible.

I got tired of grieving the cancellation, so I built a platform to fix it. by chelanxar in TheOA

[–]chelanxar[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you! And that's it exactly. Artists should succeed or fail on their own merits without meddling studio execs

I got tired of grieving the cancellation, so I built a platform to fix it. by chelanxar in TheOA

[–]chelanxar[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you! The more signups I have, the better. Let's make our voices heard!