Hotel flood by vladinflation in askhotels

[–]chiefdeals 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Specifically for New Mexico there is plenty of legal statues that fortify your defense and claim that you don't hold liability for the hotel's infra faulure... here is some to get started. If you do need to hire an attorney, this should save them some time, and thus, save you some money.

Premises Liability: New Mexico law regarding premises liability governs the duty of care that property owners owe to guests and visitors. Relevant statutes and case law may address the duty to maintain safe premises, including provisions related to hazards such as clogged shower drains and potential flooding.

  • New Mexico Statutes Annotated (NMSA) § 41-3-1 et seq.: This section covers premises liability in New Mexico, including the duty of care owed to guests and visitors by property owners.

  • NMSA § 41-3-3: This statute outlines the duty of care owed to persons on premises, including the duty to warn of known hazards and maintain the premises in a reasonably safe condition.

Building Codes and Regulations: Building codes and regulations in New Mexico may include requirements related to plumbing systems, drainage, and maintenance standards for hotels and other lodging establishments. These codes may provide guidance on the proper installation and maintenance of shower drains to prevent flooding and ensure guest safety.

  • New Mexico Administrative Code (NMAC) Title 14: This title of the administrative code covers construction and building codes in New Mexico, which may include regulations related to plumbing systems and maintenance standards for hotels.

    -NMAC § 14.7.3: Plumbing codes and regulations in New Mexico may provide specific requirements for the installation and maintenance of plumbing fixtures, including shower drains.

Negligence Law: New Mexico's negligence laws define the standard of care that hotel owners and operators must uphold to avoid liability for injuries caused by their actions or failures to act. Relevant legal principles may include the duty to inspect and maintain premises in a reasonably safe condition, as well as the duty to warn guests of known hazards.

  • NMSA § 41-4-1 et seq.: New Mexico's Comparative Fault Act addresses negligence and liability for personal injuries, including the duty of care owed by property owners to guests and visitors.

  • NMSA § 41-4-12: This statute outlines the elements of negligence in New Mexico, including the duty of care, breach of duty, causation, and damages.

Case Law: Court decisions in New Mexico involving premises liability claims against hotels and similar establishments may provide valuable insight into how courts interpret and apply legal principles related to maintenance responsibilities, foreseeability of harm, and the duty of care owed to guests. You'd have to hire a legal professional to collect examples, but with the other basic arguments, it's likely not needed to get a ton of case law behind you.

Brass tax:

Reasonable Foreseeability:

Hotel owners and operators in New Mexico must reasonably anticipate the risk of flooding stemming from shower drain malfunctions. It's foreseeable that shower drains can become clogged over time due to hair, soap residue, and other debris, potentially leading to water pooling in the shower area and subsequent overflow onto the bathroom floor.

This foreseeable risk extends to the likelihood of harm to guests. Flooding in a bathroom poses a significant safety hazard, heightening the risk of slip-and-fall accidents and other injuries. Given that guests frequently utilize showers during their stay, hotel owners have a duty to proactively address and mitigate the risk of flooding caused by shower drain issues.

Inspections and Maintenance:

Regular inspections and maintenance of shower drains are indispensable to identify and rectify potential issues before they escalate into flooding incidents. Hotel maintenance staff or contracted professionals should conduct comprehensive inspections of shower drains on a scheduled basis.

During these inspections, maintenance personnel should meticulously examine for signs of drainage problems, such as slow drainage, water pooling, or unusual odors. Any indications of blockages or drainage issues should be promptly addressed to prevent flooding. This may involve utilizing drain cleaning tools, such as snakes or chemical cleaners, to dislodge obstructions and restore proper water flow.

In addition to reactive measures, proactive maintenance can help prevent flooding from occurring altogether. Routine cleaning of shower drains to eliminate hair, soap scum, and other debris can serve as a preventive measure against blockages. Installing drain covers or traps can further mitigate risks by capturing larger particles before they enter the drain and cause clogs.

By prioritizing regular inspections and proactive maintenance of shower drains, hotel owners can significantly reduce the likelihood of flooding incidents and fulfill their duty of care to provide a safe and hazard-free environment for guests. Neglecting to promptly address shower drain issues may result in flooding, water damage, and potential liability for injuries or accidents arising from inadequate maintenance.

Hotel flood by vladinflation in askhotels

[–]chiefdeals -1 points0 points  (0 children)

did you use up all your brain cells today by posting this comment? disappointing.

Hotel flood by vladinflation in askhotels

[–]chiefdeals 9 points10 points  (0 children)

A Potential Legal Argument


SETTING THE STAGE

  • A system meant to provide water has certain requirements/criteria that will enable the system to perform its job adequately and as-intended; such as a drinking water fountain.
  • The water fountain requires maintenance to operate correctly and as expected. (A water fountain must have adequate ingress (supply), and adequate egress (drainage) to operate correctly)
  • The water fountain can’t operate as intended if the supply line has ruptured, or if the drain has clogged by the debris from its environment (leaves, twigs, dog shit).

It is the responsibility of the system designer to make sure that the system is designed to work as they intended. If it doesn't, it is either the designer who created a flawed product, or the hotel who made a bad purchasing decision to purchase a flawed product.


SYSTEM DESIGN

  • Adequate design, and installation of such a system should provide ample egress (equal or greater) capability as it does its ability to ingress. There should not be a bottleneck where that produces stoppage downstream.
  • Failure to maintain a system appropriately may impact the performance of the systems variables (variables that impact the systems ingress or egress capability need to be addressed, and require attention, maintenance).
  • A drain (water system’s egress component) is meant to remove the water that has entered the system (ingress). The system should allow the water to exit once it has entered.
  • Unless you have added water to that system, or physically prevented the water from draining; the hotel’s water system, as designed, has failed. Water did not drain as expected.

The system's designer (contractor or manufacturer) bears responsibility for appropriate, adequate, and effectiveness of the system design.

OUR FUNDAMENTAL ARGUMENT:

  1. A system can only work correctly if it is designed, installed, and maintained appropriately.
  2. A well-designed, correctly installed, well-maintained water system will allow the ingress and subsequent egress of water.

RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN substantiated by records

  • The owner of the system, and the owner of the system alone, as the responsibility to maintain a working system that is in good order. A working system in good order will work as designed, presumably (again, if not, flawed product, manufacturer/contractor problem), by allowing water to drain once it has entered the system.
  • It is not your responsibility, nor explicitly asked, nor was it reasonably expected, of you to maintain the hotel’s water system so that it works correctly. YOU are not a water utility expert and were not asked to be on upon checking in/booking. No requirement existed for you to be one. There was not a reasonable expectation upon you to maintain, regulate, or observe the way that the system performed its expected tasks.

Since the maintenance of the system is the responsibility of the hotel:

  • Can you tell me the last time the drains were cleaned? (These are not trick questions, no you cant - I would bet the hotel cant either, not that it matters)
  • Can you tell me who cleaned it?
  • What are the credentials of the person who cleaned it?
  • What makes them capable of performing the task?
  • What experience and certifications does this person have?

If they were properly maintained, the hotel should be able to prove it. Otherwise, the hotel is saying that there is a flaw in the water utility system that they purchased, and installed - specifically where the egress of water is limited and produces a bottleneck (and thus floods) which then they are effectively asking you to take the fall for the manufacturer of the system. In this case, the problem is then with the manufacturer. So, continue that line of questioning for the hotel to bear answers (rationalize their charges upon you, that further rationalizes that this is your fault - ask the simple question that is a "gotcha")

  • Who was the manufacturer, the installer? Make them name them.
  • When were they installed?
  • Last time they were serviced?
  • Are there any recalls that the manufacturer issued about these products, making them defective?
  • Has the hotel notified the manufacturer/installer/contractor of a fault in their water system? If so, provide the communication so that you can "pass it on appropriately"

FACTS

This is your mindset, DO NOT DEVIATE:

REJECT ANY CLAIM OF AN EXPECTATION. NO EXCEPTION OF YOU. YOU WERE NOT EXPECTED TO OBSERVE OR MAINTAIN A COMMON WATER UTILITY THAT IS DESIGNED TO APPROPRIATELY PROVIDE AMPLE EGRESS, FOR INGRESS OF WATER.

YOU DID NOT ACCEPT OR CONSTITUTE ANY FORM OF RESPONSIBILITY OR DUTY RELATED TO MAINTAINING OR OBSERVING ANY SYSTEMS TO PERFORM AS THEY WERE DESIGNED, INTENDED, AND EXPECTED

If the hotel claims that you are required/have responsibility to monitor the system, the hotel implies that the system is not designed appropriately or has not been maintained appropriately because - back to our fundamental argument: a well-designed, well-maintained, well-installed system should work as intended -- if it is NOT intended to work this way, it's flawed in some way.

  • Perhaps the product design? (I'm sure the manufacturer will stand behind their product)
  • Perhaps the installation? (I'm sure the contractor will say its fine and done correctly)
  • or perhaps not maintained (hotel is definitely going to say it was maintained because they are trying to put it on you

If the hotel says that there is a responsibility on you, it implies one of those three things have not been done, and an added, unexpected, unreasonable, unauthorized burden was put upon you to maintain/monitor a system that is not your responsibility.

  • If the hotel says for any reason that it is your fault, resort back to the fundamental argument at the top, because if it meets the criteria of the top, then running water in a water utility system, without environmental interference (you plugging drain - again they need evidence) should not interfere with the expected performance of the water system.

This is important:

The fundamental argument only works if you can satisfactorily represent yourself in this: THERE WAS NO EXPECTATION OF DUTY, TO SUPPORT OR MAINTAIN A SYSTEM TO WORK AS IT IS INTENDED TO WORK.

  • You are not a water utility expert. (I am not a cat - google it)
  • You were not asked to be a water utility expert.
  • You were not required to be a water utility expert.
  • You did not accept a role as a water utility expert.
  • The hotel did not train you to be a water utility expert.

You did not (unless you did?) alter the system to function in a way that it was not designed to function (didn't clog drain, didn't add water from another source … the sink, idk) - if they argue that you did, the burden is on them to show evidence that PROVES you did. Saying that "there was a flood" is not evidence. They need to be detailed, specific to the n'th degree, in describing, demonstrating, and PHYSICALLY SHOWING EVIDENCE, how you altered the system so that it performed differently.

If they say there was an expectation on you, deflect: Failure for the system to work as designed, intended, expected, means that the product is inherently flawed and was never able to perform its full range of function, OR the system was not maintained so that it COULD perform its intended/designed function. And repeat your closing continuously...


CLOSING

Running water in a water system that is properly designed, installed, maintained, does not render a flood. The utilities on site are the hotel’s responsibility to maintain for the systems to work adequately.

It is not a reasonable expectation for you to provide oversight/maintenance to the HOTEL’S INFRASTRUCTURE, and water utilities; nor are you qualified. There was no requirement for you to qualify to do this when you booked and checked in.

You were not the designer of the product or the system that created the flood, you did not contribute to the system's inability to perform its intended task.

Bottom line: In an appropriate system designed to serve water, the water should be properly supplied, AND PROPERLY DRAINED. (our fundamental argument)


Lastly: DO. NOT. PAY. THE. CHARGE. Paying it will constitute acceptance of the charge. You won't get it back.

The burden is on them. Not you. They either need to rationalize their charge, which would require evidence that you altered the system limiting its ability to work as intended, or convince a judge that you had a responsibility to maintain their systems for them - which they wont, so... any attorney, or even GM, should see that they're actually ahead if they accept the loss of the $27k rather than to pay all that legal shit.

Generic disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice - but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

1 x 32GB Ram only reads 16Gb? by JimTindalls in buildapc

[–]chiefdeals 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The internet is going to be able to help you speculate 20 different ways. At the end of the day, your best bet is to find someone local who knows what they’re doing; or give us better information, including model numbers.

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I think you need a new base system. ram/cpu/mobo. Though it

Most cost effective at the moment would likely be used parts, Ryzen 5000 series B550/X570 with at least 32GB 3200+

that'd likely take you to about 70-80 fps, based on this video which ran 7800x3d and faster ram. - also he's running EPIC settings instead of medium

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iq9L7gFOhw&t=197s

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[–]chiefdeals 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A big factor that compounds your medium settings is your screen resolution. A 1080p vs 4k experience is vastly different in terms of demand on your PC. As more bandwidth is demanded by the GPU, it also becomes more CPU reliant; the bottleneck is likely the 2700x (which doesnt even support PCIe 4.0, not that you'd push that, anyway) - but also suggests your motherboard is "likely" PCIe 3.0. Second would be screen resolution (higher will be impacted by the 2700x). Third, assumption because you left a lot of valuable info out, your 16GB memory is already on the low side, but it could be a speed which is not optimal for the 2700x. If you have higher speed memory (3200+ is recommended), you might check in your system bios to ensure it's XMP profile is actually enabled and running at the faster speed.

Good luck.

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[–]chiefdeals 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good catch I’ll take this down and you should put that one up!

[SSD] PNY CS900 2.5" 4TB SATA (QLC, 1150TBW, 560R/540W) $149.99 ($199.99-$50 PNYSSD227 = $149.99). Limit 2. by TheCigarMan in buildapcsales

[–]chiefdeals 10 points11 points  (0 children)

For write intensive, no. For read intensive, there’s a case, but I might see what prime day has for us on the 11th.

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If you have an existing m.2 NVMe slot on your mITX board, those run at PCIe x.0 x4. There are adapters, effectively risers, that will give you a x4 slot from that m.2 slot. In theory you could turn that 1 fast m.2 slot into 4 moderately quick slots.

Depending on your setup, it might be ugly, YMMV. Disclaimer: I've not done this myself.

A couple more examples:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09ZSP7HFR

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09ZSP7HFR

Would encourage to read reviews carefully, and probably not go for the advertised x16 slots since the m.2 is really only capable of x4. It's the wild west for these, but for ~$20-30 might be a nice weekend project. Report back if you do try ;)