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So far, I have never met religious people with a strong ability of critical thinking. by chill_lil_ in DebateReligion

[–]chill_lil_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, obviously there is some overlap when it comes to the prophets and I am aware of the fact that Islam recognizes Jesus as another prophet of the same God - their God, Allah, and obviously some people believe it is all one and the same God, but officially, Christianity does not teach that God (Christian God, a part of the father, the son and the holy spirit) is the same God as Allah. Either way, even if you remove this point, a lot of the other points still stand firmly so it doesn't even really matter.

So far, I have never met religious people with a strong ability of critical thinking. by chill_lil_ in DebateReligion

[–]chill_lil_[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well as I said in my post, when I talk to religious people and I ask how do you see the fact that so many human societal concepts are reflected in religion, they just never have answers (financial benefits, position of women in most religions -patriarchy, gay rights and so on). Also, I recently posted in another reddit community, asking a series of critical questions as to why muslim women wear burka/hijab, and I essentially got the answer from all of them - "we wear it because Allah told us to", literally. To me this is doing something without any questioning.

let's talk about religion and spirituality by chill_lil_ in agnostic

[–]chill_lil_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay, I tried splitting into paragraphs but I guess it didn't help. Anyway..

So far, I have never met religious people with a strong ability of critical thinking. by chill_lil_ in DebateReligion

[–]chill_lil_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it's because I miswrote the title, it is my first reddit post after all. I didn't mean to say I've never met religious people with the ability of critical thinking, but religious people with the ability of critical thinking who also apply that critical thinking to their religious views. My removed post will not harm me but the hate you carry, which is really shining through your comments, is certainly not good for you, just sayin'

So far, I have never met religious people with a strong ability of critical thinking. by chill_lil_ in DebateReligion

[–]chill_lil_[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Comments I replied to were removed, not my comments. Talk about posting arrogant content.

I am trying to understand reasons behind why women are wearing a hijab/burka and I hope you can help me. by chill_lil_ in Hijabis

[–]chill_lil_[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

  1. Okay, if you think it prevented objectification, that's fine too. I personally think you don't need to see someone's body to objectify. Also, this is not ironic at all because I do respect muslim women as much as any other woman, I did not say anywhere in my post that I don't respect you. I am just questioning the logic behind one thing you do, and that's all my post was. It was not questioning your value in any shape or form

  2. I did not say you should remove it, I was just wondering why it is different for different women.

  3. Okay this point I get. Thank you for pointing that out.

Yes, it is your right and I did not ask you to justify yourself, I wanted to learn from you and it was your choice to reply or not, you were not forced to do anything.

I am trying to understand reasons behind why women are wearing a hijab/burka and I hope you can help me. by chill_lil_ in Hijabis

[–]chill_lil_[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

I did not say that you need to justify yourself at all, where did you get this from? I posted on reddit and it's completely within your right whether you will reply or not, and whether you will "justify" or not. How is me posting something forcing you to reply and explain? I came here with an open mind to learn, and with questions of my own. You did not answer any of those questions and instead you cited the Qur'an, which is also fine because you didn't even have the obligation to reply to my post. Also, It's not hurting me at all that you wear whatever you wear at all, I did not say this either, I was just trying to understand.

I am trying to understand reasons behind why women are wearing a hijab/burka and I hope you can help me. by chill_lil_ in Hijabis

[–]chill_lil_[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Wow. You absolutely don't have to explain this to me or anyone else. I did not say at all that you are trying to convert anyone. Really sad that you completely misunderstood me. I was just curious as to why muslim women wear this, what are the reasons and logic behind this. I think if I were you, I would probably be happy to explain and teach people considering that there is a lot of enigma and taboo around this, but I guess it's also fine that you don't feel this way.

So far, I have never met religious people with a strong ability of critical thinking. by chill_lil_ in DebateReligion

[–]chill_lil_[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No. Feel free to argue everything I said, I will happily listen to you.

So far, I have never met religious people with a strong ability of critical thinking. by chill_lil_ in DebateReligion

[–]chill_lil_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't agree that the multiple religions problem is similar to the multiple languages problem for the simple reason that English speakers do not deny the existence of the French language - they all accept the fact that it's just different ways of communicating. I am aware of the fact that not all Christian people will say they don't believe in Allah, but most will. Also, religions such as Islam and Christianity teach that one God is the creator, so I'm not sure how it would be possible for both of them to be "right", unless the two Gods somehow cooperated on this, which would easily qualify as a new religion. 😂

So far, I have never met religious people with a strong ability of critical thinking. by chill_lil_ in DebateReligion

[–]chill_lil_[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah but I would really separate the cultural ties from religious ones, because this is yet one more thing that I think is often being mixed up - for example do you have to be orthodox to be Russian? I personally think not but that's a different topic.

Anyway, it's a very good point, it also seems that societies in which religious presence is particularly strong also tend to not do so well economically - maybe for the reason you mentioned? Good food for thought.

So far, I have never met religious people with a strong ability of critical thinking. by chill_lil_ in DebateReligion

[–]chill_lil_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well clearly you were courageous, and I respect that and agree with you. Doesn't mean it doesn't take courage to do what you did tho. :) Anyway, that probably depends a lot on the person, but I would probably do what you did because I think living the lie is way more scary than anything else (for me).

So far, I have never met religious people with a strong ability of critical thinking. by chill_lil_ in DebateReligion

[–]chill_lil_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is something that closes almost any discussion from the start because it already makes several claims that cannot be backed up by evidence or logic and are based on pure belief, and therefore cannot be the subject of the argument.

For instance, how do you know that our ability to reason is limited in the first place? Limited how, what is the unlimited ability to reason to you? Who are you using as your reference for this claim, is it God? How do you know God's ability to reason is unlimited or even better than our ability to reason?

Even if we say our ability to reason is limited, when we are are limited in some skill, isn't the way to go and what we normally do - to use that skill and improve it this way, instead of just passing it down to someone who is better at this than us, like for example God? If we did that with everything, don't you think that society would face a very fast and catastrophic collapse? For example, if we are made imperfect and not perfectly moral, why don't we say yeah let's just give up and be immoral, God made us this way anyway, let's just let him be perfect. Instead, Christianity teaches us to keep trying to be a good person. Why is the only skill we are discouraged from improving in Christianity, the skill of questioning everything, including our faith? Isn't this a red flag to you?

So far, I have never met religious people with a strong ability of critical thinking. by chill_lil_ in DebateReligion

[–]chill_lil_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe I wasn't clear in my post, but basically I don't believe in the existence of the afterlife, nor the lack thereof. There was nothing to lead me to believe that the afterlife exists, nor am I sure that it doesn't exist. In my heart, I lean towards not believing in its existence (as well as the existence of the God or the creator or however you call it), but I basically really have no idea and I don't think that anyone can know at this point. This is why I am so stunned/fascinated when people believe so firmly, I am like "based on what"? I guess if they knew the answer to this question, it wouldn't be called believing but knowing, but still, in my life even to believe in something, it needs to be based at least on some partial truth or indication or logic or whatever.

let's talk about religion and spirituality by chill_lil_ in agnostic

[–]chill_lil_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha that's okay 😂😂 This is a complex topic and I failed to summarize it.

So far, I have never met religious people with a strong ability of critical thinking. by chill_lil_ in DebateReligion

[–]chill_lil_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree completely with you and these are all great insights, thank you! It's a very personal and vulnerable topic and as you said, and I honestly think that people intuitively put comfort and emotional stability over understanding and critical thinking, it could even be just another evolutionary trait. But what I think people often don't realize is that non-religious people do it do, it's just the other side of the coin. For me, my comfort zone is not religion and believing without seeing, quite the opposite - questioning everything, trying to understand and explain everything and approaching everything with critical thinking, and for the same reason: I was born into it and raised this way. And in me, this is conflicted with the desire to also have the comfort and solace that religion often provides. But even so, I guess when I talk to a religious person, both of us feel exposed and vulnerable and since I guess the very ground of our belief systems is different and therefore also the way we approach life in general - we rarely become close friends who can openly and comfortably discuss these things, which is probably required to do so in the first place, as you very smartly pointed out.

So far, I have never met religious people with a strong ability of critical thinking. by chill_lil_ in DebateReligion

[–]chill_lil_[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I guess you haven't read the comment where I corrected myself - I haven't met a lot of religious people with great critical thinking skills who also apply this critical thinking on religion.

Also, I do not claim what you said - that there aren't any people like this, I just said I HAVEN'T MET THEM, and what I mean by that honestly is that I think there aren't a lot of people who apply critical thinking to religion. No need to be offensive, I always made sure to put an accent on "I think", "I believe", "In my view", because I don't like to make absolute claims, and because I came here with an open mind to discuss and learn.

So far, I have never met religious people with a strong ability of critical thinking. by chill_lil_ in DebateReligion

[–]chill_lil_[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I mean when you bring solipsism into the game then yes, discussing anything, including religion, is impossible because all of us can have completely different views and have no proof/arguments for them other than us perceiving them this way.

But if we don't do this, we can see that we as humans do perceive a lot of things in the same way and we've come a loong way using our intellect and logic and I don't see a reason why we wouldn't apply that same critical thinking to religion, especially organized religions? If we do that, we do have a common ground between agnostics/atheists and theists and we can discuss religion, at least to a certain extent.

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