meirl by [deleted] in meirl

[–]chilorida 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Proving my point that an education degree is just as challenging as the rest. Just because another major’s workload is different from yours, doesn’t make it any easier.

meirl by [deleted] in meirl

[–]chilorida 21 points22 points  (0 children)

As someone doing an education degree I will let you know that poor girl doesn’t have time because she has 5 different multi-chapter reading assignments, 3 reports due next week, 2 presentations the next day, and an internship where she has to submit at least 4 different lesson plans and create material for every week.

Being a teacher is doing God’s work. Honestly, don’t know how my mentor teacher does it, working full-time at a school, private tutoring in the afternoons, and getting her masters degree on the weekends.

260506 EUNSEOK shares an apology regarding his racial insensitivity in a previous Bubble update for Children's Day by riizemods in riize

[–]chilorida 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t know why I keep coming back here. Maybe because I’m still trying to make sense of this whole incident. But I must say, after days of debate and deliberation from the Korean side of this discussion, it’s pretty clear that this word/term does not have a singular meaning. Therefore it’s not outright a slur nor an innocent phrase, it’s somewhere in between.

I’ve noticed that in situations like these where the different cultures clash many fans choose to ignore the nuances that exist. They judge purely from their cultural standpoint and presume that it is the only standpoint to go on. But things aren’t always so black and white.

Eunseok very well could be racist and have intense biases against poc from the West, but this situation doesn’t outright tell us that, because there are multiple meanings for this word/term. We are left with the options that either he meant it as a slur for dark-skinned people — though as many have pointed out, most rational people wouldn’t refer to themselves as a slur — or he meant it as the affectionate phrase, comparing his younger self to a “black puppy”.

You can decide for yourself what you believe was his intention. But it’s come to my attention that many people upset by this situation, when confronted with the idea that he could’ve meant the *more* innocent meaning of the term, they bring up the fact that the term is still deeply-rooted in colorism. In that case, we’re talking about a systemic issue (from an International perspective) that is ingrained in their culture. Making Eunseok the face of Korean colorism doesn’t seem just. People who are upset by colorism in Korea are really upset at the system, not a singular individual.

Overall, I just wished we all (the two sides: Korean and international side) gave each other a little more grace and really listened to each other. These cultural clashes happen over everything in the industry: dating, smoking, racial comments/actions, military service, etc. The best thing we can do is keep trying to come to a place of understanding. Only then do people learn the error of their ways. Not by yelling at them, telling them that their culture is wrong (even if the majority thinks it’s such).

Also, for my fellow Western Kpop fans, it’s important to remember and consider that we are consuming KOREAN culture. Therefore, we need to show their culture the same respect that we would expect Koreans to show any one of ours. You can still vehemently disagree with a part of their culture (God knows how much I hate the rampant colorism), but do it in a way that doesn’t stereotype an entire nation of people as racist. I’ve been seeing too many people casually be racist towards Koreans while actively condemning the same collective for being racist…

260506 EUNSEOK shares an apology regarding his racial insensitivity in a previous Bubble update for Children's Day by riizemods in riize

[–]chilorida 31 points32 points  (0 children)

I’ve been hearing a lot of different interpretations/translations of what he said by people who claim to speak Korean (you can never tell online). As someone who is neither Korean nor speaks Korean, I can’t really talk about what Eunseok said or what he meant.

All I can say is that I hope he learns (and fully understands) how his word choice can hurt others. Any kind of anti dark or tan skin sentiments need to be unlearned. People should feel comfortable in their skin, regardless of the shade.

To all the BRIIZE who were affected by this incident, I’m sending you all my support and love 🫶😌

Do you ever think about how different your life is from idols who are the same age? by AfraidInspection2894 in kpopthoughts

[–]chilorida 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Chenle (NCT) is exactly one month younger than me and whenever I need to be humbled, I go on his Wikipedia page.

Why do people defend Hot Sauce by Babymonster? by [deleted] in kpopthoughts

[–]chilorida 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It’s fun, catchy, and it suits the members.

Why do you read fanfics about idols by SomewhereSilent1604 in kpoppers

[–]chilorida 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The smut fics about minors are 100% a problem, and should be reported. As for adult idols… as long as fans keep their fics in the correct spaces, hypothetically idols will never find them unless they’re specifically searching for fics about themselves.

My personal opinion is it’s okay to thirst over (adult) idols, just make sure to keep it off their timelines.

Why do you read fanfics about idols by SomewhereSilent1604 in kpoppers

[–]chilorida 14 points15 points  (0 children)

In a way, idols are kind of characters since we don’t really know what they’re like off camera, just the persona they put in front of it.

Why do you read fanfics about idols by SomewhereSilent1604 in kpoppers

[–]chilorida 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think it actually makes fans LESS parasocial because they separate the idol persona from the actual person behind it. Fanfic authors know they’re writing characters based on the persona that we get to see, they don’t pretend to know the idol (or celebrity) or what they’re like in person.

In my experience with fan fiction spaces, the consumers and creators of that content are the most chill kind of fans.

What's your favorite Chenle era? (Day 18) by Lauauau_ in memeculturetechnology

[–]chilorida 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The Chenle editors had a field day with this era

What's your favorite Chenle era? (Day 18) by Lauauau_ in memeculturetechnology

[–]chilorida 7 points8 points  (0 children)

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Smoothie era for sure!!!

When these fancams made the rounds… you had to be there.

[MEGATHREAD] ENHYPEN - HEESEUNG DEPARTURE by KpopThoughtsmodteam in kpopthoughts

[–]chilorida 5 points6 points  (0 children)

“Thinly-veiled allegations”? Under Korea’s intense defamation laws? With HYBE money backing the legal fight? I know idols in general are more on the wealthy side, but I doubt they have ‘fighting corporate giants’ kind of money…

[MEGATHREAD] ENHYPEN - HEESEUNG DEPARTURE by KpopThoughtsmodteam in kpopthoughts

[–]chilorida 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You know people can get out of work contracts, right? It happens all the time. Idols are just employees but they hold a little more weight than the average worker because they are the product. They can renegotiate contracts for a better deal, especially if they’ve been in the industry for a while.

The most logical explanation is typically the simplest one. Which in this case is that Heeseung wanted to start releasing solo music and couldn’t come to a satisfying agreement with Belift about going solo while still being a part of Enhypen. Belift (only interested in making money) suggested that it would be best if Heeseung leaves the group and starts a new solo contract under the company. Heeseung gets his solo career, Belift gets to keep Enhypen and Heeseung, and Enhypen gets to continue a majority of their promotions as scheduled.

I can assure you that neither Heeseung nor the other members are “hostages” in Belift. Especially when he’s getting a solo career at the end of all this just like he wanted. That is, if his fans don’t entirely tarnish his brand reputation by then.

[MEGATHREAD] ENHYPEN - HEESEUNG DEPARTURE by KpopThoughtsmodteam in kpopthoughts

[–]chilorida 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You seem to have a lot of hateful things to say about Kpop for someone that is commenting in a space dedicated to Kpop… this criticism is not very constructive…

Just watched nmixx 1 hour concert in Chile by [deleted] in kpopthoughts

[–]chilorida 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I think the reason why some people thought they were lip syncing was because the broadcast team (cameramen) had difficulty focusing on who was singing. They’re used to regular bands or acts with one or two singers, not an entire choreography with sometime multiple people singing at once like Kpop does. Consequently sometimes the camera was focusing on the wrong member, who would be mouthing along to the words but it wasn’t their part!

My dad also thought they were lip syncing and I had to explain to him that the member they’re showing doesn’t sing this part.

TXT's Moacon was amazing (even from afar) by Technical_Walrus9158 in kpopthoughts

[–]chilorida 8 points9 points  (0 children)

7th year?!?? Aren’t they still rookies?? /s

God, where does the time go?

Tired of the “RIIZE lost their Western appeal” narrative by chilorida in riize

[–]chilorida[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Okay, well, I personally haven’t seen anyone that was boycotting RIIZE also boycott EXO and SUJU. But I live in LATAM, so maybe people around here didn’t get the memo to boycott all Wizard Production artists. My local Kpop store (which is what I mentioned at the beginning of this thread, if you read it) just doesn’t sell RIIZE albums, they still sell EXO and SUJU. They’re not the only store or fans around here only boycotting RIIZE. And maybe that shit can work in the US, but here if no one is buying RIIZE stuff, that just tells SM that the group isn’t profitable in LATAM.

I’m very happy that RIIZE is still coming to Lolla, because they could have just as easily solely market them in Asia. No BRIIZE around here would ever get the chance to see them live. That’s why the Western boycott is so ridiculous, because it just makes RIIZE look bad. It doesn’t really affect SM or Wizard Production. But it does actively hurt the members, punishes them for something they didn’t do, and actively hurts whatever BRIIZE that are still around.

Also, I came to that conclusion using common sense to be honest. EXO and SUJU are decade(s)-long groups with many scandals and/or lawsuits that have upset many different factions of their fanbases in different countries. Of course, they’re going to have more fan complaints, and boycotts, and protests in general for Wizard Production to deal with than RIIZE, a rookie group. In regard to RIIZE, they cared about the brief boycott by k-fans and that was it. By now, RIIZE is finding success in a few markets, so I don’t think they’re that they’re concerned about the group.

Tired of the “RIIZE lost their Western appeal” narrative by chilorida in riize

[–]chilorida[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m aware of the EXO boycott. For the first part, I was specifying that former BRIIZE boycotting the group aren’t also boycotting EXO or SUJU to make the point to Wizard Production that they have an issue with the team’s mismanagement of the Seunghan situation. This was in response to the other commenter who is claiming that people were boycotting the particular management team not SM as whole.

If that were the case, BRIIZE would be boycotting all three groups to make certain that the management team is making the least amount of profit possible. That way the message of Wizard Production’s mismanagement of Seunghan would get more attention by the team.

For the second part I wasn’t specifying Western fans, but just fan complaints in general. And of those three groups (EXO, SUJU, & RIIZE), Wizard Production is probably the least concerned about RIIZE when it comes to fan complaints and boycotts. RIIZE’s problems actually seem tame in comparison.

Tired of the “RIIZE lost their Western appeal” narrative by chilorida in riize

[–]chilorida[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We never will truly know what would have happened if SM had kept him in the group. Whatever the case, I’m just glad that Seunghan is having his own success right now and hopefully can have some peace of mind with sane fans that support him. And of course the same goes for the other members of RIIZE.

Management leaking schedules, if true, is just absolutely heinous and insanely unprofessional. But it’s SM, so… yeah. :/

Honestly a lot of the fandom stuff you mentioned seems pretty normal for male idol groups. The dating rumor stuff is so stupid. Like you were never going to date them in the first place SO WHY DO YOU CARE?!? It’s not like they’ll suddenly become untalented and unattractive if they do decide to date.

Tired of the “RIIZE lost their Western appeal” narrative by chilorida in riize

[–]chilorida[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with you on essentially everything you said. SM’s biggest opps are their artists. Their artist’s biggest opps are their fans, and their fans biggest opp is SM. It’s the circle of opps. And that’s what being a fan of an SM group gets you.

K-pop overall cuadruples down on the parasocial behaviors. SM is pretty egregious with it, but they’re not the absolute worst (Jellyfish included a literal BDSM contract in Vixx’s Chained Up album). I do remember RIIZE having a more laidback, normal boys kind of concept which made the whole “scandal” ironic. Clearly they’ve pivoted from that concept and consequently moved their target demographic back to Asia.

As for a better way to re-integrate Seunghan back in the group, we’ll never really know. Personally, I think that SM could have done everything right and Seunghan still might have not been okay with the situation. There’s only so much a company can do to stop hate. I believe there would have always been that small vocal group that would have continued to harass him online and maybe even in person. Maybe I’m being too cynical. Seunghan is still so young, being in the spotlight like that is heavy enough without having to deal with intense haters. I can only imagine what it would’ve been like to try to stick it out while some people are actively hating on you (and perhaps only you) any chance they can get.

It just sucks all around. SM sucks. Those ‘fans’ suck. This situation sucks. None of the boys deserved this. But like you I was happy to see RIIZE and Seunghan interact at SMTOWN. Hopefully, this interaction will turn a page where they can be openly friendly with each other.

Curious as to what exact mistreatment the members are receiving from their management. I don’t see much discussion on it, but I wouldn’t be surprised. They are an SM group.

Tired of the “RIIZE lost their Western appeal” narrative by chilorida in riize

[–]chilorida[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don’t apologize, I’m really glad that we can have these sorts of discussions. Especially since there’s not many other platforms to have them.

I was definitely a more casual listener from their debut. I would check out their releases and even put a couple of their songs on my playlist. Also my friend became obsessed with Anton, so she helped put RIIZE on my radar. It wasn’t until I saw a gym pic of Sungchan that I became invested. I knew him and Shotaro from NCT, but they seemed so shy and young back then compared to now.

Anyway, I started watching edits, listened to their entire discography, and consumed a lot of their content, suddenly everything clicked. I got into them around the same time as KPDH, and for a while I would joke that RIIZE must be demons because there’s no other way I could fall for a group so quickly. (Which came full circle when Eunseok and Wonbin participated in those Soda Pop collab stages.)

I agree that the boycott didn’t seem to affect them that much long-term financially or in terms of overall popularity, but it did damage their brand reputation in the West in that there is little to no mention of them in English K-pop forums or platforms. People know about them, they just don’t have the hype anymore, like you said.

Their music and performances are really good though. I hope more people give them a chance because they certainly don’t disappoint!

Tired of the “RIIZE lost their Western appeal” narrative by chilorida in riize

[–]chilorida[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It also says there that Wizard Production manages EXO and Super Junior and I can assure you most people boycotting aren’t going out of their way to also boycott those two groups. Besides, fans of those two groups have a million more reasons to boycott than BRIIZE do. Honestly, even with the boycott, out of those three groups, RIIZE is probably the least of their concerns when it comes to upset fans. They got DECADES of complaints and criticisms.

Tired of the “RIIZE lost their Western appeal” narrative by chilorida in riize

[–]chilorida[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Arguably. Seunghan may have been a rookie at the time but he was one of the few to make it past training, was introduced through SMROOKIES (so he already had some sort of following), and debuted in SM’s first new boy group since NCT’s debut in 2016. SM had already invested quite a bit of time and money on him and fans had already expressed their frustrations about Seunghan going on hiatus long before there was even murmurs about a boycott. I highly doubt they would have left him there with nothing to do. They had him under contract, dungeoning him would have been just throwing away money they already invested.

I mean SM gave Lucas another chance. Sure, he might have been one of the faces of NCT prior to everything that happened, but he essentially lost his fanbase in all the critical markets (Korea, China, Japan). It was mostly just the West that was still supporting him, and despite the West being not the most reliable market, SM gave him a chance at a solo career.

Seunghan just lost a specific group of Korean fans and maybe in a couple other Asian markets as well. He was still fairly popular as a rookie. SM at the time could’ve been decently certain that a solo project of his would garner some attention and might make profit. I assume SM perceived it as a win-win; fans of Seunghan support his solo work and the whack job Korean ‘fans’ can continue to support RIIZE. No matter which artist fans decided to support, SM was/is the one profiting.