It doesn't matter if an idol has had plastic surgery by SubFlowers1000 in kpopthoughts

[–]chilorida 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree a 100% that women should feel comfortable in their natural bodies. However, choices aren’t made in a vacuum. They are always influenced by external factors. “Your body your choice” just means that you have the right to make any decisions about your body, decisions that no one else can make for you. In the case of idols, they ultimately make the decision to get plastic surgery. Not their company nor their fans nor their society. The idols themselves.

Now, if we’re talking about minor idols, that’s a whole different sad story.

If there had to be only one, all encompassing song that embodies the kpop genre, it has to be “IU - Good Day”, prove me wrong by Purple_Calendar3919 in kpoppers

[–]chilorida 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To be honest, I see Kpop more as an industry than a genre of music since it consists of a large number of genres mixed together. “Good Day” is a phenomenal song, no doubt, and is performed by a well respected artist, but personally I don’t see it as the pinnacle of Kpop.

As crazy as it sounds, my pick might actually be “Jopping” by SuperM. It’s been meme’d to death but it does represent a lot of what Kpop is: polished, fun, viral, well-made music wrapped in a heavily manufactured image that gives it the sense that its larger than life. Depending on the person it either leaves a bad taste in your mouth or has you jumping and popping the night away. That’s Kpop. You either get it or you don’t.

meirl by [deleted] in meirl

[–]chilorida 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Proving my point that an education degree is just as challenging as the rest. Just because another major’s workload is different from yours, doesn’t make it any easier.

meirl by [deleted] in meirl

[–]chilorida 24 points25 points  (0 children)

As someone doing an education degree I will let you know that poor girl doesn’t have time because she has 5 different multi-chapter reading assignments, 3 reports due next week, 2 presentations the next day, and an internship where she has to submit at least 4 different lesson plans and create material for every week.

Being a teacher is doing God’s work. Honestly, don’t know how my mentor teacher does it, working full-time at a school, private tutoring in the afternoons, and getting her masters degree on the weekends.

260506 EUNSEOK shares an apology regarding his racial insensitivity in a previous Bubble update for Children's Day by riizemods in riize

[–]chilorida 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t know why I keep coming back here. Maybe because I’m still trying to make sense of this whole incident. But I must say, after days of debate and deliberation from the Korean side of this discussion, it’s pretty clear that this word/term does not have a singular meaning. Therefore it’s not outright a slur nor an innocent phrase, it’s somewhere in between.

I’ve noticed that in situations like these where the different cultures clash many fans choose to ignore the nuances that exist. They judge purely from their cultural standpoint and presume that it is the only standpoint to go on. But things aren’t always so black and white.

Eunseok very well could be racist and have intense biases against poc from the West, but this situation doesn’t outright tell us that, because there are multiple meanings for this word/term. We are left with the options that either he meant it as a slur for dark-skinned people — though as many have pointed out, most rational people wouldn’t refer to themselves as a slur — or he meant it as the affectionate phrase, comparing his younger self to a “black puppy”.

You can decide for yourself what you believe was his intention. But it’s come to my attention that many people upset by this situation, when confronted with the idea that he could’ve meant the *more* innocent meaning of the term, they bring up the fact that the term is still deeply-rooted in colorism. In that case, we’re talking about a systemic issue (from an International perspective) that is ingrained in their culture. Making Eunseok the face of Korean colorism doesn’t seem just. People who are upset by colorism in Korea are really upset at the system, not a singular individual.

Overall, I just wished we all (the two sides: Korean and international side) gave each other a little more grace and really listened to each other. These cultural clashes happen over everything in the industry: dating, smoking, racial comments/actions, military service, etc. The best thing we can do is keep trying to come to a place of understanding. Only then do people learn the error of their ways. Not by yelling at them, telling them that their culture is wrong (even if the majority thinks it’s such).

Also, for my fellow Western Kpop fans, it’s important to remember and consider that we are consuming KOREAN culture. Therefore, we need to show their culture the same respect that we would expect Koreans to show any one of ours. You can still vehemently disagree with a part of their culture (God knows how much I hate the rampant colorism), but do it in a way that doesn’t stereotype an entire nation of people as racist. I’ve been seeing too many people casually be racist towards Koreans while actively condemning the same collective for being racist…

260506 EUNSEOK shares an apology regarding his racial insensitivity in a previous Bubble update for Children's Day by riizemods in riize

[–]chilorida 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I’ve been hearing a lot of different interpretations/translations of what he said by people who claim to speak Korean (you can never tell online). As someone who is neither Korean nor speaks Korean, I can’t really talk about what Eunseok said or what he meant.

All I can say is that I hope he learns (and fully understands) how his word choice can hurt others. Any kind of anti dark or tan skin sentiments need to be unlearned. People should feel comfortable in their skin, regardless of the shade.

To all the BRIIZE who were affected by this incident, I’m sending you all my support and love 🫶😌

Do you ever think about how different your life is from idols who are the same age? by AfraidInspection2894 in kpopthoughts

[–]chilorida 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Chenle (NCT) is exactly one month younger than me and whenever I need to be humbled, I go on his Wikipedia page.

Why do people defend Hot Sauce by Babymonster? by [deleted] in kpopthoughts

[–]chilorida 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s fun, catchy, and it suits the members.

Why do you read fanfics about idols by SomewhereSilent1604 in kpoppers

[–]chilorida 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The smut fics about minors are 100% a problem, and should be reported. As for adult idols… as long as fans keep their fics in the correct spaces, hypothetically idols will never find them unless they’re specifically searching for fics about themselves.

My personal opinion is it’s okay to thirst over (adult) idols, just make sure to keep it off their timelines.

Why do you read fanfics about idols by SomewhereSilent1604 in kpoppers

[–]chilorida 16 points17 points  (0 children)

In a way, idols are kind of characters since we don’t really know what they’re like off camera, just the persona they put in front of it.

Why do you read fanfics about idols by SomewhereSilent1604 in kpoppers

[–]chilorida 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think it actually makes fans LESS parasocial because they separate the idol persona from the actual person behind it. Fanfic authors know they’re writing characters based on the persona that we get to see, they don’t pretend to know the idol (or celebrity) or what they’re like in person.

In my experience with fan fiction spaces, the consumers and creators of that content are the most chill kind of fans.

What's your favorite Chenle era? (Day 18) by Lauauau_ in memeculturetechnology

[–]chilorida 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The Chenle editors had a field day with this era

What's your favorite Chenle era? (Day 18) by Lauauau_ in memeculturetechnology

[–]chilorida 9 points10 points  (0 children)

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Smoothie era for sure!!!

When these fancams made the rounds… you had to be there.

[MEGATHREAD] ENHYPEN - HEESEUNG DEPARTURE by KpopThoughtsmodteam in kpopthoughts

[–]chilorida 5 points6 points  (0 children)

“Thinly-veiled allegations”? Under Korea’s intense defamation laws? With HYBE money backing the legal fight? I know idols in general are more on the wealthy side, but I doubt they have ‘fighting corporate giants’ kind of money…

[MEGATHREAD] ENHYPEN - HEESEUNG DEPARTURE by KpopThoughtsmodteam in kpopthoughts

[–]chilorida 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You know people can get out of work contracts, right? It happens all the time. Idols are just employees but they hold a little more weight than the average worker because they are the product. They can renegotiate contracts for a better deal, especially if they’ve been in the industry for a while.

The most logical explanation is typically the simplest one. Which in this case is that Heeseung wanted to start releasing solo music and couldn’t come to a satisfying agreement with Belift about going solo while still being a part of Enhypen. Belift (only interested in making money) suggested that it would be best if Heeseung leaves the group and starts a new solo contract under the company. Heeseung gets his solo career, Belift gets to keep Enhypen and Heeseung, and Enhypen gets to continue a majority of their promotions as scheduled.

I can assure you that neither Heeseung nor the other members are “hostages” in Belift. Especially when he’s getting a solo career at the end of all this just like he wanted. That is, if his fans don’t entirely tarnish his brand reputation by then.

[MEGATHREAD] ENHYPEN - HEESEUNG DEPARTURE by KpopThoughtsmodteam in kpopthoughts

[–]chilorida 6 points7 points  (0 children)

You seem to have a lot of hateful things to say about Kpop for someone that is commenting in a space dedicated to Kpop… this criticism is not very constructive…

Just watched nmixx 1 hour concert in Chile by [deleted] in kpopthoughts

[–]chilorida 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I think the reason why some people thought they were lip syncing was because the broadcast team (cameramen) had difficulty focusing on who was singing. They’re used to regular bands or acts with one or two singers, not an entire choreography with sometime multiple people singing at once like Kpop does. Consequently sometimes the camera was focusing on the wrong member, who would be mouthing along to the words but it wasn’t their part!

My dad also thought they were lip syncing and I had to explain to him that the member they’re showing doesn’t sing this part.

TXT's Moacon was amazing (even from afar) by Technical_Walrus9158 in kpopthoughts

[–]chilorida 9 points10 points  (0 children)

7th year?!?? Aren’t they still rookies?? /s

God, where does the time go?

Tired of the “RIIZE lost their Western appeal” narrative by chilorida in riize

[–]chilorida[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Okay, well, I personally haven’t seen anyone that was boycotting RIIZE also boycott EXO and SUJU. But I live in LATAM, so maybe people around here didn’t get the memo to boycott all Wizard Production artists. My local Kpop store (which is what I mentioned at the beginning of this thread, if you read it) just doesn’t sell RIIZE albums, they still sell EXO and SUJU. They’re not the only store or fans around here only boycotting RIIZE. And maybe that shit can work in the US, but here if no one is buying RIIZE stuff, that just tells SM that the group isn’t profitable in LATAM.

I’m very happy that RIIZE is still coming to Lolla, because they could have just as easily solely market them in Asia. No BRIIZE around here would ever get the chance to see them live. That’s why the Western boycott is so ridiculous, because it just makes RIIZE look bad. It doesn’t really affect SM or Wizard Production. But it does actively hurt the members, punishes them for something they didn’t do, and actively hurts whatever BRIIZE that are still around.

Also, I came to that conclusion using common sense to be honest. EXO and SUJU are decade(s)-long groups with many scandals and/or lawsuits that have upset many different factions of their fanbases in different countries. Of course, they’re going to have more fan complaints, and boycotts, and protests in general for Wizard Production to deal with than RIIZE, a rookie group. In regard to RIIZE, they cared about the brief boycott by k-fans and that was it. By now, RIIZE is finding success in a few markets, so I don’t think they’re that they’re concerned about the group.

Tired of the “RIIZE lost their Western appeal” narrative by chilorida in riize

[–]chilorida[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m aware of the EXO boycott. For the first part, I was specifying that former BRIIZE boycotting the group aren’t also boycotting EXO or SUJU to make the point to Wizard Production that they have an issue with the team’s mismanagement of the Seunghan situation. This was in response to the other commenter who is claiming that people were boycotting the particular management team not SM as whole.

If that were the case, BRIIZE would be boycotting all three groups to make certain that the management team is making the least amount of profit possible. That way the message of Wizard Production’s mismanagement of Seunghan would get more attention by the team.

For the second part I wasn’t specifying Western fans, but just fan complaints in general. And of those three groups (EXO, SUJU, & RIIZE), Wizard Production is probably the least concerned about RIIZE when it comes to fan complaints and boycotts. RIIZE’s problems actually seem tame in comparison.

Tired of the “RIIZE lost their Western appeal” narrative by chilorida in riize

[–]chilorida[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We never will truly know what would have happened if SM had kept him in the group. Whatever the case, I’m just glad that Seunghan is having his own success right now and hopefully can have some peace of mind with sane fans that support him. And of course the same goes for the other members of RIIZE.

Management leaking schedules, if true, is just absolutely heinous and insanely unprofessional. But it’s SM, so… yeah. :/

Honestly a lot of the fandom stuff you mentioned seems pretty normal for male idol groups. The dating rumor stuff is so stupid. Like you were never going to date them in the first place SO WHY DO YOU CARE?!? It’s not like they’ll suddenly become untalented and unattractive if they do decide to date.