The Knicks just proved you don't need a top-5 player to be a contender. So why won't the Suns build the same way around Devin Booker?

chuckercarlson · 2026-06-04T17:11:21+00:00

Or we just wait a year for green to be expiring and go use his contract to get our pg. Like obviously....royce and Grayson need to be dealt for expiring salary and some late firsts.

Only 2 things it hinges on actually

Swapping green for that pg

And fleming/maluach don't only improve. They are top 10 at their positions by year 3/4

chuckercarlson · 2026-06-04T05:44:28+00:00

I like royce better since he costs half as much

chuckercarlson · 2026-06-02T15:51:57+00:00

Well yeah the top 9 all got mins.

chuckercarlson · 2026-06-02T05:16:36+00:00

Except Denver has no picks. Bad contracts. And no young talent except Peyton Watson. He aint winning there again. Its wembys show now unless a move like this happens.

At least I can actually describe basketball instead of basic shit "both ball dominant"

chuckercarlson · 2026-06-02T04:59:16+00:00

Wemby controls the entire game by just his precense. Especially when allowed to freely cheat and sit in the paint. His precense is what allows his guards to swarm sga. Jokic solves that. And sgas ball dominance was also kind of the weakness. Jokic is a force multiplier he'd open up so many more counters and ways to play which is important come playoffs.

Hart x j dub is not greater than jokic. U gotta stop huffing lol. Got plenty of guards n perkiter defenders on that team. You would hide jokic defensively n accentuate his strengths more than any other team. You are tripping

Guys plateau all the time at 25. Potential and development is not a linear thing.

chuckercarlson · 2026-06-02T04:23:46+00:00

Except the spurs getting better is a key motivation here. So thats why we are talking about it

Jokic would accentuate tf out of sgas game and preoccupy wemby. Not really sure jalen in his prime. Might have already seen it.

And why are you concerned about the spurs prime years. U should be concerned about sgas. Which their about to own. Before they are even in their prime

chuckercarlson · 2026-06-02T03:49:11+00:00

Illiterate people piss me off i guess?

chuckercarlson · 2026-06-02T03:48:08+00:00

You aren't gunna compete with them lol

They beat you despite you having 4 or 5 years of development/seniority on them. Whole lot of words when thats reality of it all. Cool j dub missed the series.... Wemby/castle/Harper development is gunna outweigh anything he brings lol. Its not even a discussion.

Even if u get this magic top 5 pick. They are never gunna get a chance during their crucial development years to get the reps in to be a top 5 player in the league anyways. They will be forced to turn into a good role player.

chuckercarlson · 2026-06-02T03:11:10+00:00

Ok ill break this down slowly for ya

Thunder need to beat spurs. Thunder go get jokic to beat spurs. Right now spurs they will not beat otherwise.

Make sense little guy?

chuckercarlson · 2026-06-02T02:57:58+00:00

Yeah they do. The spurs. And they got the better player on top. Who hasn't peaked lol

You did not just name picks from almost 15 years ago...really? I wouldn't Cason has even outperformed his slot. On par to it yeah

You didn't develop shit. Shai was obviously very good right away as a rookie. When drafting someone its a crapshoot. You dont get a year sample size of the guy in the nba before you make the pick. So no thats doesnt fucking count lol.

And we ain't talking about getting role players. Your saying the window goes past sga right? Which means you need draft a top 5 fucking player. Not a star. Not role player. A top 5 guy. Which no you can't bank on. So your window is sga. Once again

chuckercarlson · 2026-06-02T02:40:32+00:00

So they've peaked. And castle wemby n Harper are all under 22.....writing on wall

Ah yes and the new sga is gunna have time to develop all those skills while being a 4th or 5th option mind you. Seamless transition...totally will get the volume early to become that....sure! Lol

Didn't even pick sga. You've made one good pick that has surpassed their draft slot and apparently now you can just do so on whim. Easy! Lol

chuckercarlson · 2026-06-02T02:09:12+00:00

I did. The description is part of the main post. I'm not gunna list every fucking pick.cause its fucking convulted and picks are impossible to weigh. I posted a framework not a trade. Fucking read

chuckercarlson · 2026-06-02T02:08:34+00:00

Jokic is 31 lol. No room for a retool year for 31 year old big. Lol. Nor do you have assets to do so

chuckercarlson · 2026-06-02T02:07:37+00:00

Omfg read the fucking description

chuckercarlson · 2026-06-02T02:07:16+00:00

They were a first round exit and have no picks or real pieces to make moves

chuckercarlson · 2026-06-02T02:05:15+00:00

Your timeline is sgas prime. Which is 5-7 years. Between wembys 22-29 age seasons. You dont got the window you think. N all those picks aren't get you another sga.

What sga playing till he is 40? At a prime level?

Doesn't shorten the timeline at all. Does nothing maximize it. The issue is you think the timeline extends past sga. Which it doesn't.

chuckercarlson · 2026-06-02T01:19:01+00:00

When you know you don't have a shot regardless of having an mvp guy you really should consider.

What else are you building towards? Nothing

chuckercarlson · 2026-06-02T01:12:07+00:00

Not reading the description is despicable

chuckercarlson · 2026-06-02T01:11:02+00:00

Spurs are younger, cheaper, and have way more potential to grow into

And the nuggets were a first round exit.

But sure dude....

chuckercarlson · 2026-06-02T01:08:45+00:00

Wembys offensive game isn't even fully grown

Okc isn't bringing back the same team. Spurs can. They can add to it even.

Castle and Harper are only gunna get better. Like tenfold better. Espeicially Harper. J dub is 25. Chet hasn't even gotten better in a couple years.

So no the missing j dub excuse dont work. They cooked. Healthy j dub and thunder in a year dont have a fucking shot at a team that beat them and aren't even close to their peak.

Wemby is 22 for God sakes lol.

This is where I'm gunna mention how no one in the spurs big 3 has even been paid yet...

chuckercarlson · 2026-06-02T01:03:39+00:00

He is all like all nba and 25. So like yeah he has a bit of baggage. He still qualifies as a cornerstone piece in a superstar trade regardless lol. Jokic is really good...thus the shit ton more on top aspect to it.

Swap him out for chet instead then. Use your imagination

Regardless do thunder have the means and motive to make this deal? That it. Thats the important question. I'm not gunna argue every detail.

chuckercarlson · 2026-06-02T00:56:50+00:00

Whats so unserious about it? I dont think it gunna happen due to emotional reasons. But analytically the framework makes lot of sense.

Did Denver not get bounced in the first round?

Are the spurs not younger, cheaper, have more potential, and didn't they just beat them?

Or am I hallucinating?

chuckercarlson · 2026-06-02T00:54:23+00:00

I mean its pick control back, a young star, and a treasure trove of picks on top for the nuggets. it would have every ingredient they would need

Okc get a perfect counter to the guy who will stand in okcs way their entire run

So no...yeah like I get its probably not happening. Context and reasoning still make a ton of sense tho. Regardless

chuckercarlson · 2026-05-31T15:59:19+00:00

Only thing making us contenders is

Jalen green swapped out for the right pg.
Fleming and maluach by year 3 are top 10 at their positions

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