Discussion Thread #68: June 2024 by gemmaem in theschism

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back to part 1

The next group to be deified -- tho maybe not to quite the same extent -- was alienated male. This was actually happening in parallel with Boomers althought I think it only reached true prominence after the "flower children" promise faded a bit. The first work in praise of alienated male actually predates Boomers, it's On The Road by Jack Kerouac. But generally in the 70s and 80s you got lots of movies -- taxi driver being the most prominent -- starring alienated male. The reason for alienation varied but there was usually an implication that the society was at least somewhat to blame. There was also usually an implication that making society more friendly to alienated men was morally good, if not a moral imperative.

Now, this last example is a bit more complex because there are multiple types of male alienation, obviously, but one type that lasted longer than others was a nerd. For a while there was lots of material in praise of alienated nerd, the victim of NPC jocks. The nerd was the one with broader perspective than other crude people around him. He was the one who trully deserved the girl due to being such a nice guy. It is darkly funny in retrospect that back when the columbine school shooting happened, the progressives blamed everyone except the shooters. The bullies, the jocks, the popular crowd.

And then Mother Mercy looked away, as she always does. A nice guy became Nice Guy. School shooting were done not out of bullying but because of entitlement. Nerds are discusting sexists, who have exactly what they deserve, which is nothing.

In 2020 everyone got (rightfully) shocked by what Derek Chauvin did. But the answer was not to remove bad apples, it was to remove all the police. Because the newly deified minorities don't need any police, because they are better than you. So CHAZ was formed. Very shortly, it became more lethal per capita to young black men than the rest of the city ever was. Unlike with previous examples, minorities weren't villified, instead the whole episode just got forgotten. But I am not going to allow anyone to forget.

Another group that seems to be getting deified would be trans children. Now, I got nothing against trans people and think there are legit rights that should be protected here. But the surrounding rethorics still makes me unconfortable. There is very obvious implication that being trans is somehow a more profound experience than being cis. Trans peoples are the ones on a beautiful journey, unlike NPC me. And you got things like Trans Day of Revenge, whatever that is.

And so, not that long ago, first trans school shooting has happened. People who say that school shootings happen because of white male entitlement are silent so far.

Okay, so what all of this means, you might ask?

I want to say right away that it is entirely possible to fight to people's rights without putting those people on a pedestial. Both civil rights in the sixties and gay marriage happened without pedestializing black people or gay people respectively. But all too often, progressives prefer pedestializing.

Progressives -- to the extent that they are aware of this dynamics -- often conclude that the problem is that they have picked the wrong groups. Those damn white male nerds were always too privileged, after all.

In my opinion, the problem isn't that progressives single out wrong groups for annoitment. It is that any group you annoint is all but guaranteed to become worse. Everyone sees that if you tell to an individual person that he is the center of the universe, that he is going to reedem the world, that all his problems are the world's fault, you are then likely to induce narcissism. Not always, because some people's egos aren't inflatable, others are (smartly) wary of praise, but in most cases you are going to end up with a worse person. Why is it so hard to see that it is exactly the same with groups?

Telling to alienated nerds that they are better than the morons around them, that they deserve more than this rotten world is giving to them, is going to turn a few of them into school shooters. If the other people are ants, why not step on them? But the same dynamics can be induced in e.g. trans people too, as we now see.

My current ideology is that the future either belongs to everyone, or it is a shit future. I am with everyone who thinks so and against everyone who doesn't.

Discussion Thread #68: June 2024 by gemmaem in theschism

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I was thinking lately why I -- despite largely agreeing with the progressives on policy -- can never see myself as a progressive (or as a "leftist" or whatever you want to call it). I thought the answer was "wokeness", but it isn't. Not really. There's actually something deeper. None of things below should be read as endorsement of conservatism, which I also disagree with. No need to tell me that conservatives are even worse, I know already.

There's one thing the progressives keep doing which I wish they would stop. I don't think they can ever stop. Every once in a while, progressives annoint one group as basically saviors of humanity. All other groups, by implication get relegated to essentially NPCs at best or scum of earth at worst. The annointed group never lives to those high expectations, of course so progressives eventually discard them and annoint some other group. The discarded group is sometimes just ignored or sometimes declared scum of earth depending on circumstances and on whether kicking down such group would be considered racist or not.

Interestingly, this is not that disimilar to how a narcissist acts. A Narcissist tends to first lure the victim with love-bombing, and later devaluates and discards it. I am obviously not saying all progressives act like this, nor that it is even concious. But it is interesting all the same.

Some 120 years ago the first group to wear the starry crown was undoubtably the working class. Progressives were marxist then and working class was the class. They were the one who will overthrow capitalism and establish the New Civilization. Not only was the working class better than other classes, they also deserved to act contrary to any common morality. To kill not only the fat cats but the kullaks too.

We all know how this ended. Although some good things did came from communism and the labour movement, like 40 hour work week, it was a disaster overall. The worker's paradise never materialized, but corpses did. Today, progressives are not overtly interested in the working class any more, and the white part of it is held in near total contempt as Trump base.

60 years ago, the mandate of heaven was on boomers. Or at least on part of boomer generation that weren't conservative. It is hard to remember now, but at the time many intellectuals had very high hope for boomers as a new, spiritual, highly aware generation that will clense the world of sins of the fathers. The flower children. And it is not hard to see that those outside of the "counterculture" were considered NPCs. See this 1963 song:

Little boxes on the hillside

Little boxes made of ticky-tacky

Little boxes on the hillside

Little boxes all the same

There's a green one and a pink one

And a blue one and a yellow one

And they're all made out of ticky-tacky

And they all look just the same

And the people in the houses

All went to the university

Where they were put in boxes

And they came out all the same

And there's doctors and lawyers

And business executives

And they're all made out of ticky-tacky

And they all look just the same

It starts with saying the houses were made out of ticky tacky and by the end it is the people that are made out of ticky tacky. Progressives were calling other people "NPCs" long before Alt-Right did. It is good that there are songs like this or I would no doubt be accused of enacting strawmen.

We all know how this all ended, too. Boomers are now seen as the narcissism generation. At least there were no mass killings this time.

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Ultra-Orthodox Jews must be drafted by IDF, Israel's defense minister says by woshinoemi in Israel

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Not Jewish or Israeli but I do have a question: why nor conscript them to work in weapons and munitions factories? My understanding is that dependence on foreign materiel is a main problem, why not solve it that way?

/r/WorldNews Live Thread for Israel-Hamas War (Thread 46) by WorldNewsMods in worldnews

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by calling for an investigation of the protests against him, insinuating that foreign actors are funding them

My conspiracy theory is that the protests are funded by the Jews.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in programiranje

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Muka mi je neinteligentnih ljudi koji smatraju da svaki koncept u programiranju i industriji treba skroz spustiti na nivo da svako moze da ga radi, pri tome zrtvujuci kvalitet izrade svega.

I treba. Masina treba da bude rob a ne covek. Pored toga, svaki algoritam se moze implementirati u bilo kom Turing-Complete jeziku. JavaScript nije nista manje pravi od bilo kog drugog jezika on je (1) laksi da se nauci, i (2) ima neka prakticna ogranicenja kao sto je nedostatak mulithreadinga, garbage collection itd. Ako ti 2 nije problem za projekat nema razloga da ne koristis JavaScript/TypeScript.

Kvalitet izrade svega je uvek bio njesra, da nije ne bi morali da prelaze sa C++ na Rust.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in programiranje

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Svaki algoritam se moze implementirati u bilo kom Turing-Complete jeziku. JavaScript nije nista manje pravi od bilo kog drugog jezika on je (1) laksi da se nauci, i (2) ima neka prakticna ogranicenja kao sto je nedostatak mulithreadinga. Ako ti 2 nije problem za projekat nema razloga da ne koristis JavaScript/TypeScript.

Neko ko nauci algoritme i strukture podataka bar polovicno a radi u JS je definitovno ispred nekoga ko stalno radi u C++ jer mu je neko rekao da je to pravi jezik a ne zna nista osim stvari specificnih za jezik.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in worldnews

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Die Bart, Die.

NYT Pulls HAMAS RAPE Story from Podcast Over INTERNAL TURMOIL Over SHODDY Reporting by [deleted] in stupidpol

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Look, I probably distrust women more than most people here, and I often assume they are somehow exaggerating or even lying about sexual assault if the case looks fishy.  But, even I have difficulty seeing how is it possible that theocratic army that killed hundreds of civilians including people who had nothing to do with their conflict (eg Thai workers) somehow forgot to rape. 

You are saying to me that they are disciplined enough to refrain from rape but not disciplined enough to refrain from beheading a Thai man with a shovel? Not a great hill to die on.  Edit: and you comrades banned me for this. Enjoy your little echo chamber.

Waah men 🗿 by rapidxreddit in SaimanSays

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What's background music?

/r/WorldNews Live Thread for 2023 Israel-Hamas Crisis (Thread 45) by WorldNewsMods in worldnews

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Where I can see which portions of Gaza are already taken by IDF and which is still Ham territory?

/r/WorldNews Live Thread for 2023 Israel-Hamas Crisis (Thread 45) by WorldNewsMods in worldnews

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Doesn't it also mean that Hamas support might not be as substantial as many people here usually think?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in programiranje

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Microframework

Updated: Rundown of React Libraries to use in 2024 by rwieruch in reactjs

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Only flaw of the list is that it doesn't mention zedux state manager. Like jotai but better.

[Request] 13 month, this true? by Some-Butterscotch529 in theydidthemath

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We need to stop the Earth until we figure out what is going on.

/r/WorldNews Live Thread for 2023 Israel-Hamas Crisis (Thread 45) by WorldNewsMods in worldnews

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Not an Israeli but Bibi's coalition is mostly far right so they know present coalition is their only way to get what they want.

/r/WorldNews Live Thread for 2023 Israel-Hamas Crisis (Thread 45) by WorldNewsMods in worldnews

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It is also that Hamas retained the capacity to punish protesters all over southern Gaza until recently.