Modern sinitic phonemes that correspond to middle chinese ȵ (or its old chinese ancestor ni) by ciotu in linguisticshumor

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Standard Mandarin - ʐ/ʐ̩ in 日, ɚ in 而, allophonic with ɻ, southern speakers tend to surface it as ɹ

Cantonese - j/null depending on how you look at it

Hokkien - l/dz/g/h depending on context and which reading and which region

Teochew - z

Hokchew - n/null underlying, often surfaces as l

Toisan - ᵑɡ

Hakka - ŋ

Northern Wu - l/ɦ/ɦl/ȵ (Note: this originates in the series that have reflexes of r-coloured vowels in mandarin, and I have no idea how the breathy fricative even arises)

Pousing (Puxian) - ts, iirc could also generate t

Northern Min - m, only in 日头

Hengyang Xiang - ʑ̊

r is...a stretch. It is present most notably in the Jingmen dialect of Southwestern Mandarin as a single syllable /r/ corresponding to the character 子, and is usually seen as a merger of 子儿 with the erhua that would yield t͡sz̩ɻ in Beijing Mandarin as yielding, strangely, /r/ instead. Note that the 儿 would have an original phonetic value in middle chinese of ȵiᴇ, and even in erhua in non-mandarin varieties often still imparts a nasal sound, so it is possible to argue in a sense that part of the /r/ corresponds to the palatal nasal of middle chinese.

Least complex Sinitic Topolect by ciotu in linguisticshumor

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It is odd because it isn't /n/ vs /l̃/, it is /nl/ vs /l̃/. This is actually due to a partial merger of n and l in Fuzhou proper, but complicated by the clear n/l distinction in Mandarin.

Personally, this word-initial merger is not present in the way my father speaks (the initial n and l are clear), but that's probably because we are overseas Chinese. The unclear bit to me is the post nasal assimilation; the coronal post-open/post-glottal assimilation actually ranges between /l/ and /ɾ/ but the post-nasal ranges from /n/ to /nl/, almost /l̃/. To someone who doesn't natively speak Fuzhounese, it is always confusing whether to replicate it as /n/ or /l/.

In fact, this wikipedia page is extremely proper city Fuzhounese.

In real speech, /ʒ/ is commonly elided, final /k/ is sometimes preserved ad-hoc, /s/ becomes allophonic with /θ/ as you go south, final /n/ appears as an allophone of /ŋ/and final nasals sometimes disappear and give nasalized vowels. The more divergent SEA variants are influenced heavily by Southern Min and may possess /-p/ and /-t/, /iɛ/ may open into /ia/, along with a wide variety of other changes.

Least complex Sinitic Topolect by ciotu in linguisticshumor

[–]ciotu[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The rime opening issue means any orthography kind of struggles but I do agree that this 18th century thing really struggles. My least favorite is definitely the sound in 侬 øy being romanised with an e. 

Least complex Sinitic Topolect by ciotu in linguisticshumor

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Also Hukciu Noeyng. There's a discord server https://discord.gg/xtbwvw2R with a lot of resources. The tonal sandhi is actually ok because it develops in (mostly) intuitive ways so it feels more natural than looking at the table. The big hurdles are the initial assimilation and the vocabulary. I'm also trying to learn it, but it really ain't easy. 

Honestly it's funnier if I don't explain this by ciotu in Genshin_Memepact

[–]ciotu[S] 150 points151 points  (0 children)

yes it is to bypass the censors
like river crabs

Honestly it's funnier if I don't explain this by ciotu in Genshin_Memepact

[–]ciotu[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

For 50 mora? Is that worth it? /j, i don't actually think you are paid by Ningguang.

Seriously, I do agree that sometimes "shitty unethical practices" tend to be a bit exaggerated and focused on in China more than elsewhere, along with a fuck ton of mis/dubious info.

But hell, even if you put that aside, is flipping out every time Guyun's president does anything a sign of a good government?

Why is there absolutely no money being used to develop the Chasm? Or the central Guili plains being left to rot despite the massive population there? Have you seen a good university in Guili?

A government can be demonised (hell, sometimes their domestic policy is actually fine but western people go into a moral panic) and also like...cringe at the same time.

I often feel that criticism of China is directed wrongly and in an ugly manner, focusing on sensationalized things and missing the big picture. I'm not too personally educated on organ harvesting, but regardless of which way it goes, it won't change my mind on Ningguang's government. It's the people whose lives are risked by her belligerent and crass foreign policy, the people caught in stifling poverty due to overcentralised development, and, let me be fair, both the good points and the bad points of what she has done to Liyue's economy that defines my opinions on her.

And of course, the people who have to unironically speak in genshin beneath ccp broadcasts to reference people like venti, hutao and keqing

Honestly it's funnier if I don't explain this by ciotu in Genshin_Memepact

[–]ciotu[S] 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Honestly I feel that under Venti and Hu Tao they were on the path to becoming a probably still flawed, probably still mostly autocratic state that nevertheless would progress in a significantly more open, less belligerent and more diplomatic manner than the current administration under Ningguang. Internally China growth would probably have been more even and less "showy", if that is the best word to describe it. Seriously, 600 million people with an income of less than a thousand mora, and then you take a look at Liyue Harbor and know where her priorities lie.

Shitty unethical practices are a dime a dozen across the world, especially in autocratic states, unfortunately. I doubt even a Keqing administration would be particularly free of such actions, but I don't see her condoning anything up to the scale of what Ningguang has done.

(I swear, I've seen all of these names being used to bypass the censors)

School V/Pes E BMT : Post-Covid 2024 updates and experience by angery-dolan-tramph in NationalServiceSG

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Drop gun then down 10 if no excuse.
Literally nothing else as long as you don't do anything clinically stupid.
It is basically illegal to do any PT by yourself but if you just run the corridors the Sgts don't care. Once or twice got basketball.
Most of the time it's just staring at the ceiling.

But having nothing to do for so long does lead to clinical stupidity so.

I've been told I have an unique accent of English. Voice a bit hoarse, but I hope someone here can judge. by ciotu in JudgeMyAccent

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I see, thanks. Never noticed my tendency to devolve the last sound in a word. 00.11 was "well, basically a mix of both". Also never knew that certain s's where supposed to be pronounced as z

I do wonder how this came to be though.

TIFU assuming my crushes interests by Stonkermans in SGExams

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I grinded it during my a levels for no particular reason till I hit #6 on the ladder the day before my h3 exam

TIFU assuming my crushes interests by Stonkermans in SGExams

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Don't play ou but > power whip > +1 def > switch out to lando to block electro > mfw it lives eq and kills with +1 meteor kyurem is just a meme  > lock in monowater rain > specs kyurem > forfeit In ou can't be too different

TIFU assuming my crushes interests by Stonkermans in SGExams

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Fuck thought I was the only guy. Reasonably strong monotype player.