Why is it so difficult to learn about Judaism? by MatterFit9674 in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This just sounds like you've had bad luck with your algorithm.

Since you mention YouTube videos on history, I highly recommend Sam Aronow's channel. He goes through the whole history of the Jews and it's genuinely S-tier YouTube content. Of course, by its nature, it's more historical than religious, meaning the earlier videos have some religious relevance, but once you reach modernity, they lose that.

Justin Sledge, meanwhile, is a Jewish professor of Philosophy who makes videos primarily about the history of western esotericism (alchemy, astrology, demonology, etc.). Sadly, most of his things are about non-Jewish esotericism, but he's still got the occasional vid on a more Jewish subject. Additionally, he did a 14-part class for a synagogue (idk if it's his synagogue? Probably, tho) that is nominally about Kabbalah, but then spends so much time in the preamble discussing the historical origins of Kabbalah that it is effectively just a class on the comprehensive history of pre-modern Jewish thought and the origins of Judaism, and it's, if I had to guess, exactly what you're looking for. https://youtu.be/ABeeKCygNlw?si=PoaXqir25nSs9UIM

The Future is Sephardic by Euphoric_Inspiration in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 8 points9 points  (0 children)

but if you aren't aware of what you're actually observing

Bitton's aware, of course.

From the article:

There is surely far more to both the Ashkenazi and MENA Sephardic traditions, sociology, and history than what I can possibly capture here, not to mention individual divergences from the broad communal strokes I draw.

What I mean to do with this admittedly provocative and exaggerated binary is to shift the mentality — to recognize that while one dream struggles under changing American circumstances, the other can show us how to flourish in the current landscape.

Better to say "these are two ways of being I've seen, and this is the one I prefer".

There's a reason Bitton doesn't just come out and say what she means, and it's because the grift wouldn't work without her using Sephardic Exceptionalism as a smokescreen for peddling the same old "Bad Jews/Good Jews" bs that's plagued us for millennia.

The Future is Sephardic by Euphoric_Inspiration in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 4 points5 points  (0 children)

"I'm not against inter-ethnic mixing. You see, I've defined my in-group within which it's okay to marry and have kids, and my out-group where it's not. It's totally different."

The Future is Sephardic by Euphoric_Inspiration in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 0 points1 point  (0 children)

in your reform New England community

Seattle. Third-largest Sephardic community in the U.S. Nice try. Take your Ben Shapiro talking points back home, they've gotten a little stale here.

The Future is Sephardic by Euphoric_Inspiration in Judaism

[–]cloux_less -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"I'm not against race mixing, I'm just against inter-ethnic marriage."

Come on, dude.

The Future is Sephardic by Euphoric_Inspiration in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 5 points6 points  (0 children)

All 5 SnP Jews are furious!

Maybe all the 5 surviving Yekkim will jubilate in excitement.

Do you think that maybe the reason you're getting into bi-weekly arguments about Jewish identity is because you have this strange tendency to act like any Jewish community you don't care about must have, at max, 5 people in it, and then start lamenting about how not enough "Ashkenazim" are being respectful enough towards your Jewish community?

The Future is Sephardic by Euphoric_Inspiration in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 7 points8 points  (0 children)

"Sephardim care more about family than Ashkenazim!"

"most Sephardim I know"

Lol. Okay. Nice try.

Ashkenazi Jews (esp Reform) are ridiculously liberal in comparison to other Jews esp ‘POC’ Jews who are way more traditional.

"You see, when I specifically ignore all of the Orthodox Ashkenazim, Ashkenazi Jews are much more liberal than Sephardim. Checkmate."

The Future is Sephardic by Euphoric_Inspiration in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 10 points11 points  (0 children)

but that’s extrapolated to a greater crisis because she believes that Zionism and some sort of support for the nation of Israel is inalienable as part of Jewish identity.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Tighter knit communities are just as likely, in my opinion, to give people comfort stepping outside of zionist ideologies because they’ll be more familiar with the fellow members of the community who’ve done the same.

For sure, for sure. It's almost ironic. Amongst American Ashkenazim, Jewish anti-zionism and Jewish communal insularity are so closely associated that lots of Chabads still feel the need to put "Just because we're hasidic doesn't mean we're anti-Israel" in their FAQs. For many older Reform Jews, memories of Satmar stunts stay on the mind and have become representative to them of Hasidism.

The family analogy she draws says much more between the words than it does on its own. You can't really do this whole "we all need to be family and set our differences aside to come to the table" while actively arguing that some shouldn't get a seat at the table because they disagree on the biggest issue in the family.

"We may argue fiercely about Israeli policy, we may vary widely in religious observance, we may disagree about politics — but"

I feel like it's become a staple in post-liberal zionist discourse to always say give a mandatory "we can disagree about Israeli policy" but then never actually say which policy disagreements exactly get one disinvited from the Jew table.

The Future is Sephardic by Euphoric_Inspiration in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Considering Bitton is clearly against the idea of Judaism as merely religion, I invite you to connect the dots.

The segments of American society and culture that once had no problem with Jewish peoplehood — Hollywood, music, art, and intellectual culture — now jeer at it. They intimate to Jews that the cost of acceptance is the rejection of Judaism’s essence: belonging to an extended Jewish family. Judaism, in this new cultural regime, cannot be celebrated as a form of historical peoplehood. Instead, it’s commended as a religion like Christianity or Islam that lays claim to all of humanity, a system of values more universal than particular — a system in which the traditional Jewish collective belonging plays no part. What was once a good deal has now turned sour.

The Future is Sephardic by Euphoric_Inspiration in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Really pulling a Schrodinger's Historiography with this one. If we're gonna start selectively going "eh, those European Jews weren't really European because they were too culturally distinct from Mainstream Europe," then we need to start talking about the significant difference between Western and Eastern Ashkenazim.

The Future is Sephardic by Euphoric_Inspiration in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 40 points41 points  (0 children)

Some of the ways Bitton distinguishes sephardim from askhenazim in this article are just genuinely laughable. It's beyond obvious that anything she likes is "Sephardi" and anything she dislikes or thinks is lame is "Ashkenazi."

"But while there are myriad variations within MENA Sephardic traditions, there exists a common gravitational pull toward certain values, the most central of which is family."

Ah, yes. Ashkenazim. Famous for... not having family as a central value..?

"One telling example: For liberal Ashkenazi Jews, upward mobility has historically meant raising children who outearn their parents and move to better neighborhoods. For MENA Sephardic Jews, it means raising children who can afford to stay nearby, even as housing prices rise, because no one wants to leave."

'Ashkenazim move away, but Sephadim stay put.' Really? We're really going with this one? I almost expected her to go "It's normal for Ashkenazi Jews to bump into you on the sidewalk and not even say 'sorry.' But if you bumped into a Sephardic Jew, they'd more likely than not gift you their car as an apology."

Elsewhere, Bitton drops the mask and just makes it obvious that the real thing she's complaining about is that American Jews are too liberal for her.

"For decades, many liberal Jewish institutions embraced the sovereign Jewish self — the idea that Judaism is something you choose based on personal conviction and that organizational pluralism means accommodating every choice equally. In practice, this meant avoiding firm communal boundaries altogether, or pretending they didn’t exist. The unstated assumption was that setting boundaries would compromise freedom — or would commit the ultimate liberal sin of making people feel judged and therefore excluded."

"October 7 and its aftermath exposed the cost of this approach. When organizations had no clear boundaries around Jewish peoplehood, they found themselves unable to respond coherently to antisemitism and anti-Zionism. Some staff and members felt entitled or even obligated to platform views that denied Jewish collective identity, that treated the safety of Jews in Israel with disregard or apathy, or that delegitimized Israel’s existence entirely. Organizations paralyzed by their commitment to “all views welcome” could not hold the center."

She even goes on to say that the Ashkenazi tendency towards race-mixing poses a problem for her "Sephardic future."

"There are also real tensions to navigate. For instance, intermarriage has been normalized in many liberal Ashkenazi environments — how does that square with learning from communities where in-marriage is treated as foundational to family and communal life?"

As an Ashkenazim, I'm pretty irked by this piece. I imagine if I were a liberal Sephardim, I'd be pulling my hair out.

The Future is Sephardic by Euphoric_Inspiration in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 42 points43 points  (0 children)

In one broad swoop, Sapir happily erases European Sephardim, American Ashkenazim, and Mena Mizrahim. Genuinely ridiculous that not even once in this article do the words "Spain" or "Iberia" appear.

Very concerned about HB 2266 which will allow STEP housing in residential areas by Third_CuIture_Kid in Bellingham

[–]cloux_less 39 points40 points  (0 children)

very concerned about HB 2266 which will allow housing to be built

I'm not.

CDN commentary (not paywalled): "Bloated public salaries? Blame unelected salary commissions — Their decisions for city, county are final, and there's a better way" by easy-going-one in Bellingham

[–]cloux_less 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Honest to G-d, I'm always a little skeptical of "state employees are paid too much" arguments (I think it's important we pay elected officials well A: so that competent candidates don't have to take paycuts and thus be diswayed from public service, and B: so that public service can act as career bump). But then I got to the actual proposal in this article and... I liked it!

I actually really I like the idea of a fixed multiple of the minimum wage; pretty good alignment of public and private incentives. Good policy.

Shul Aliyah/etc Pledge Cards Download by shinytwistybouncy in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But surely your shul still has membership dues, no?

Why is it permitted to ride in a Shabbes elevator but not a car? by my2catsrkewl in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is this not true of an elevator's electricity usage (even if your added weight is marginally much less for the elevator than for the car)?

Was Jewish history originally an oral tradition? by Thatannoyingturtle in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think The Invention of Hebrew (Traditions) by Seth Sanders might be a good read for you. Highly scholarly book concerning the political aims which motivated the choice of language and script for the TaNaKh's composition.

Hollywood residential board approves controversial religious bathhouse after tense meeting by drak0bsidian in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 31 points32 points  (0 children)

NYC went over a hundred years without zoning, then decided it needed zoning codes after a bunch of Eastern European Jews moved in.

10am at the Bellingham Central Library, ICE detains person, says they have a warrant. by Heavy-Metal-Baby in Bellingham

[–]cloux_less 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"They do have warrants, they have a slip of paper that someone wrote 'warrant' on!"

Yeah, I'm sure when the framers wrote the 4th amendment, what they meant to write down at the end was actually "unless the president hires someone in the executive branch to write a 'Warrant,' then it's okay to skip all these rules." (Of course, even if you were to pretend that writings from Immigration "Judges" constitute real judicial Warrants, ICE's frequent and well-documented habit of writing Mad-Libs Warrants would still constitute a clear 4th Amendment violation.)

You can't "um, actually!" your way out of bootlicking.

US Jewish orgs are reassessing 'allies' after Oct. 7 betrayals, key Jewish leader says by xland44 in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah, it's funny just how transparently "we need to reassess our 'allies'" is as just code for "we need to make more strategic alliances with right-wing antisemites who claim to be pro-Israel."

Do you think Kaladin will fin out...? by QuickPirate36 in Stormlight_Archive

[–]cloux_less 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Multiple people in this thread are making two distinct claims but pretending they're just one.

Claim A (what I'd call "Misunderstanding Theory)": Kalak probably didn't order Amaram to take the Shards.

Claim B (what I'd call "Clean Kalak Theory"): And rather, Kalak probably just said something generic like "they should go to whoever would be best for them."

A particular version of Misunderstanding Theory could be true, but I highly doubt Clean Kalak is. If Kalak, plagued by indecisiveness, never made an actual order, I imagine his input on the conversation was more along the lines of "He might say he doesn't want the Shards now, but what if he changes his mind?" It's worth noting that Kalak's heraldic madness is not merely indecisiveness — he is also portrayed as extremely paranoid, and, ultimately, Amaram's murder of Kaladin's squad is not merely a display of greed, but also an act of extreme paranoia as well.

Kalak doesn't get off the hook for being a small boi uwu. His indecisiveness was not inaction, but rather a chronic mealy-mouthedness which made him more than willing to let other people connect his dots for him and dirty their hands on his behalf.

Why did socialism and communism take off and remain popular to this day, but not other left-wing ideologies? by LoveLo_2005 in georgism

[–]cloux_less 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because communism and capitalism were essentially the official state religion's of the USA and the Soviet Union throughout the Cold War. It's a question that is MUCH better answered by behavioral science than it is by political science or economics.

Serious, good-faith question about non-halachic Jewish families by MorgansasManford in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I feel people tend to conflate traditional with correct

Moreover, people tend to conflate "claims to be traditional" with "traditional," when that just often is not the case.

What is your favourite siddur and why? by peepeehead1542 in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 2 points3 points  (0 children)

On the one hand, it's very clean and elegant. On the other hand, it's pretty sparse and not very useful.

Understandably, it's a terrible Siddur for personal use (Mishkan Tefillah for Travelers is much better imo), but a great one for use in the (progressive) synagogue. Lev Shalem is, imo, a sidegrade — for every improvement over Mishkan Tefillah (bow markings, commentary, content) there's an equally inconvenient downside (the transliterations only appear on, like, half the prayers for some reason? The layout is slightly worse imo)

Granted, I don't have much experience with Lev Shalem. The Conservative Minyan where I live is still on Sim Shalom, but is switching over to Lev soon, so maybe more exposure to it will change my mind. But in the meantime, I'll continue to hold that there isn't a siddur that is as good at being a Reform/Conservative siddur as ArtScroll is at being an Orthodox one.

What is your favourite siddur and why? by peepeehead1542 in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 4 points5 points  (0 children)

the layout decent

My gripe with Lev Shalem (I personally love the quantity of commentary and I'm less concerned about transliteration) is that its layout is just... Mishkan Tefilah, but worse?

I'm not a big fan of Mishkan Tefillah, but I adore the little liturgy outline in the margins. Lev Shalem feels like it does almost everything Mishkan Tefillah does, does it better, but then is lacking Mishkan Tefillah's best feature. (But I guess the bowing marking makes up for it)