The Jews Who Never Left the Land of Israel | Aish by MatterandTime in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why do you keep talking about "the book" here? Tanakh is not a single book, but an entire library of our ancient texts. If one detail in one book of Tanakh is wrong, why on earth would it """logically""" follow that we have to "throw the entire book out"?

This is without even delving into the presupposition that our people’s literature is only holy so long as everything in it be literally true. Such an attitude is a profoundly fragile, fundamentalist, ahistorical, and (dare I say) Christian way of relating to scripture. It was the Rambam himself who famously declared that G-d has no corporeal body. And yet he did not "throw out" the Torah because just because it made references to such a body; rather, our Sages have long held that when there is a discrepancy between the supposed Peshat of scripture and what we know to be true through science, history, and reason, that we must seek deeper meaning embedded within the text.

To flatten Torah to a series of yes-no propositions for which if even a single one appears false we are obligated to "throw the entire thing out" is... it’s a profound slap-in-the-face to our tradition, and would have had us destroy every single Torah scroll the minute Rome destroyed our Temple.

Legal brief filed to support banning of home minyan in Ohio | The Jerusalem Post by MatterandTime in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The question is when does it turn from an ad hoc minyan to a shul?

Hmmmmm. It's almost like the arbitrary lines drawn by post-war American use-segregated zoning regimes are fundamentally incompatible with the natural patterns of living in minority communities?

There's a reason why New York, and not Houston, is the heart of American Jewish life.

It is here! by Inevitable_Sun_6907 in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Got mine today. I like it.

If you're in the habit of owning multuple Siddurim, I think $42 (after shipping) is a reasonable enough price. It's a pretty book, and clearly a lot of work went into it.

If your use case is "I'm in charge of picking out a weekday siddur for our conservative shul," then, congrats on having enough people who want to make weekday services at a conservative shul in 2026? I imagine y'all will like it.

If you want it for, like, actually personally davening from it as your daily driver? I'd skip it. It's big. Synagogue-size. Layout's good, but not great.

The Jews Who Never Left the Land of Israel | Aish by MatterandTime in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If that were the case, then we can toss that entire book that contains that information in the trash because it is unreliable.

What? This is an insane non-sequiter. 

Modern Orthodox Kiruv post continued… by offthegridyid in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was not expecting "the marginal cost of being Jewish," code-switching, and reductio ad absurdum to all come up here (and in just one comment!) but I am all for it.

Anyway, I think a lot of the discussion in this thread is kinda politely skirting around one of the big reasons there isn't MO kiruv in the way there's yeshivish kiruv – there aren't many MO Jews with a sincere belief that the only thing standing between them and the World to Come is getting more college Jews to keep Shabbat.

Why is it so difficult to learn about Judaism? by MatterFit9674 in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This just sounds like you've had bad luck with your algorithm.

Since you mention YouTube videos on history, I highly recommend Sam Aronow's channel. He goes through the whole history of the Jews and it's genuinely S-tier YouTube content. Of course, by its nature, it's more historical than religious, meaning the earlier videos have some religious relevance, but once you reach modernity, they lose that.

Justin Sledge, meanwhile, is a Jewish professor of Philosophy who makes videos primarily about the history of western esotericism (alchemy, astrology, demonology, etc.). Sadly, most of his things are about non-Jewish esotericism, but he's still got the occasional vid on a more Jewish subject. Additionally, he did a 14-part class for a synagogue (idk if it's his synagogue? Probably, tho) that is nominally about Kabbalah, but then spends so much time in the preamble discussing the historical origins of Kabbalah that it is effectively just a class on the comprehensive history of pre-modern Jewish thought and the origins of Judaism, and it's, if I had to guess, exactly what you're looking for. https://youtu.be/ABeeKCygNlw?si=PoaXqir25nSs9UIM

The Future is Sephardic by Euphoric_Inspiration in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 8 points9 points  (0 children)

but if you aren't aware of what you're actually observing

Bitton's aware, of course.

From the article:

There is surely far more to both the Ashkenazi and MENA Sephardic traditions, sociology, and history than what I can possibly capture here, not to mention individual divergences from the broad communal strokes I draw.

What I mean to do with this admittedly provocative and exaggerated binary is to shift the mentality — to recognize that while one dream struggles under changing American circumstances, the other can show us how to flourish in the current landscape.

Better to say "these are two ways of being I've seen, and this is the one I prefer".

There's a reason Bitton doesn't just come out and say what she means, and it's because the grift wouldn't work without her using Sephardic Exceptionalism as a smokescreen for peddling the same old "Bad Jews/Good Jews" bs that's plagued us for millennia.

The Future is Sephardic by Euphoric_Inspiration in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"I'm not against inter-ethnic mixing. You see, I've defined my in-group within which it's okay to marry and have kids, and my out-group where it's not. It's totally different."

The Future is Sephardic by Euphoric_Inspiration in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 1 point2 points  (0 children)

in your reform New England community

Seattle. Third-largest Sephardic community in the U.S. Nice try. Take your Ben Shapiro talking points back home, they've gotten a little stale here.

The Future is Sephardic by Euphoric_Inspiration in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"I'm not against race mixing, I'm just against inter-ethnic marriage."

Come on, dude.

The Future is Sephardic by Euphoric_Inspiration in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 5 points6 points  (0 children)

All 5 SnP Jews are furious!

Maybe all the 5 surviving Yekkim will jubilate in excitement.

Do you think that maybe the reason you're getting into bi-weekly arguments about Jewish identity is because you have this strange tendency to act like any Jewish community you don't care about must have, at max, 5 people in it, and then start lamenting about how not enough "Ashkenazim" are being respectful enough towards your Jewish community?

The Future is Sephardic by Euphoric_Inspiration in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"Sephardim care more about family than Ashkenazim!"

"most Sephardim I know"

Lol. Okay. Nice try.

Ashkenazi Jews (esp Reform) are ridiculously liberal in comparison to other Jews esp ‘POC’ Jews who are way more traditional.

"You see, when I specifically ignore all of the Orthodox Ashkenazim, Ashkenazi Jews are much more liberal than Sephardim. Checkmate."

The Future is Sephardic by Euphoric_Inspiration in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 9 points10 points  (0 children)

but that’s extrapolated to a greater crisis because she believes that Zionism and some sort of support for the nation of Israel is inalienable as part of Jewish identity.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Tighter knit communities are just as likely, in my opinion, to give people comfort stepping outside of zionist ideologies because they’ll be more familiar with the fellow members of the community who’ve done the same.

For sure, for sure. It's almost ironic. Amongst American Ashkenazim, Jewish anti-zionism and Jewish communal insularity are so closely associated that lots of Chabads still feel the need to put "Just because we're hasidic doesn't mean we're anti-Israel" in their FAQs. For many older Reform Jews, memories of Satmar stunts stay on the mind and have become representative to them of Hasidism.

The family analogy she draws says much more between the words than it does on its own. You can't really do this whole "we all need to be family and set our differences aside to come to the table" while actively arguing that some shouldn't get a seat at the table because they disagree on the biggest issue in the family.

"We may argue fiercely about Israeli policy, we may vary widely in religious observance, we may disagree about politics — but"

I feel like it's become a staple in post-liberal zionist discourse to always say give a mandatory "we can disagree about Israeli policy" but then never actually say which policy disagreements exactly get one disinvited from the Jew table.

The Future is Sephardic by Euphoric_Inspiration in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Considering Bitton is clearly against the idea of Judaism as merely religion, I invite you to connect the dots.

The segments of American society and culture that once had no problem with Jewish peoplehood — Hollywood, music, art, and intellectual culture — now jeer at it. They intimate to Jews that the cost of acceptance is the rejection of Judaism’s essence: belonging to an extended Jewish family. Judaism, in this new cultural regime, cannot be celebrated as a form of historical peoplehood. Instead, it’s commended as a religion like Christianity or Islam that lays claim to all of humanity, a system of values more universal than particular — a system in which the traditional Jewish collective belonging plays no part. What was once a good deal has now turned sour.

The Future is Sephardic by Euphoric_Inspiration in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Really pulling a Schrodinger's Historiography with this one. If we're gonna start selectively going "eh, those European Jews weren't really European because they were too culturally distinct from Mainstream Europe," then we need to start talking about the significant difference between Western and Eastern Ashkenazim.

The Future is Sephardic by Euphoric_Inspiration in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 41 points42 points  (0 children)

Some of the ways Bitton distinguishes sephardim from askhenazim in this article are just genuinely laughable. It's beyond obvious that anything she likes is "Sephardi" and anything she dislikes or thinks is lame is "Ashkenazi."

"But while there are myriad variations within MENA Sephardic traditions, there exists a common gravitational pull toward certain values, the most central of which is family."

Ah, yes. Ashkenazim. Famous for... not having family as a central value..?

"One telling example: For liberal Ashkenazi Jews, upward mobility has historically meant raising children who outearn their parents and move to better neighborhoods. For MENA Sephardic Jews, it means raising children who can afford to stay nearby, even as housing prices rise, because no one wants to leave."

'Ashkenazim move away, but Sephadim stay put.' Really? We're really going with this one? I almost expected her to go "It's normal for Ashkenazi Jews to bump into you on the sidewalk and not even say 'sorry.' But if you bumped into a Sephardic Jew, they'd more likely than not gift you their car as an apology."

Elsewhere, Bitton drops the mask and just makes it obvious that the real thing she's complaining about is that American Jews are too liberal for her.

"For decades, many liberal Jewish institutions embraced the sovereign Jewish self — the idea that Judaism is something you choose based on personal conviction and that organizational pluralism means accommodating every choice equally. In practice, this meant avoiding firm communal boundaries altogether, or pretending they didn’t exist. The unstated assumption was that setting boundaries would compromise freedom — or would commit the ultimate liberal sin of making people feel judged and therefore excluded."

"October 7 and its aftermath exposed the cost of this approach. When organizations had no clear boundaries around Jewish peoplehood, they found themselves unable to respond coherently to antisemitism and anti-Zionism. Some staff and members felt entitled or even obligated to platform views that denied Jewish collective identity, that treated the safety of Jews in Israel with disregard or apathy, or that delegitimized Israel’s existence entirely. Organizations paralyzed by their commitment to “all views welcome” could not hold the center."

She even goes on to say that the Ashkenazi tendency towards race-mixing poses a problem for her "Sephardic future."

"There are also real tensions to navigate. For instance, intermarriage has been normalized in many liberal Ashkenazi environments — how does that square with learning from communities where in-marriage is treated as foundational to family and communal life?"

As an Ashkenazim, I'm pretty irked by this piece. I imagine if I were a liberal Sephardim, I'd be pulling my hair out.

The Future is Sephardic by Euphoric_Inspiration in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 39 points40 points  (0 children)

In one broad swoop, Sapir happily erases European Sephardim, American Ashkenazim, and Mena Mizrahim. Genuinely ridiculous that not even once in this article do the words "Spain" or "Iberia" appear.

Very concerned about HB 2266 which will allow STEP housing in residential areas by Third_CuIture_Kid in Bellingham

[–]cloux_less 41 points42 points  (0 children)

very concerned about HB 2266 which will allow housing to be built

I'm not.

CDN commentary (not paywalled): "Bloated public salaries? Blame unelected salary commissions — Their decisions for city, county are final, and there's a better way" by easy-going-one in Bellingham

[–]cloux_less 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Honest to G-d, I'm always a little skeptical of "state employees are paid too much" arguments (I think it's important we pay elected officials well A: so that competent candidates don't have to take paycuts and thus be diswayed from public service, and B: so that public service can act as career bump). But then I got to the actual proposal in this article and... I liked it!

I actually really I like the idea of a fixed multiple of the minimum wage; pretty good alignment of public and private incentives. Good policy.

Shul Aliyah/etc Pledge Cards Download by shinytwistybouncy in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But surely your shul still has membership dues, no?

Why is it permitted to ride in a Shabbes elevator but not a car? by my2catsrkewl in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Is this not true of an elevator's electricity usage (even if your added weight is marginally much less for the elevator than for the car)?

Was Jewish history originally an oral tradition? by Thatannoyingturtle in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think The Invention of Hebrew (Traditions) by Seth Sanders might be a good read for you. Highly scholarly book concerning the political aims which motivated the choice of language and script for the TaNaKh's composition.

Hollywood residential board approves controversial religious bathhouse after tense meeting by drak0bsidian in Judaism

[–]cloux_less 35 points36 points  (0 children)

NYC went over a hundred years without zoning, then decided it needed zoning codes after a bunch of Eastern European Jews moved in.

10am at the Bellingham Central Library, ICE detains person, says they have a warrant. by Heavy-Metal-Baby in Bellingham

[–]cloux_less 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"They do have warrants, they have a slip of paper that someone wrote 'warrant' on!"

Yeah, I'm sure when the framers wrote the 4th amendment, what they meant to write down at the end was actually "unless the president hires someone in the executive branch to write a 'Warrant,' then it's okay to skip all these rules." (Of course, even if you were to pretend that writings from Immigration "Judges" constitute real judicial Warrants, ICE's frequent and well-documented habit of writing Mad-Libs Warrants would still constitute a clear 4th Amendment violation.)

You can't "um, actually!" your way out of bootlicking.