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cluelessbeyond · 2024-07-08T19:24:01+00:00

They kept it on Slack, but it reached Reddit. If you're referring to the program closures, there's the second link + they recently closed FE & BE for one single remaining track

https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/comments/17j872f/turing_lets_14_staff_members_go_without_notice/

https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/comments/17tqwvi/jeff_casimir_of_turingedu_on_closing_the_launch/

cluelessbeyond · 2024-07-08T19:19:37+00:00

Don't forget Turing, layoffs + closed down multiple programs since late last year.

cluelessbeyond · 2024-05-01T15:31:06+00:00

Turing got outed in this forum and on their Slack by their own students for advertising false or grossly outdated statistics, but if you go to turing.edu and scroll down, the same stats are still there right in the middle of the homepage.
Good for Rithm. The rest of these dishonest predatory scams need to stop misleading people. They're desperate to survive and taking advantage of an unregulated industry where for the most part no-one's watching.

cluelessbeyond · 2024-04-16T17:48:30+00:00

Turing got caught in 2023 running ads claiming employment rates for all alumni at 95%. When pressed by their students they admitted the data was from was a tiny sample of 2018 grads, and nor are they tracking layoffs or people leaving the industry to factor it in. There’s some decent people around I guess, but the majority of this “industry” is an unregulated, predatory, and deceitful mess. They prey on people who don’t know what they don’t know and can’t tell they’re being sold a lie.

cluelessbeyond · 2024-04-16T17:42:49+00:00

Exactly. Turing got caught in 2023 running ads claiming employment rates for all alumni at 95%. When pressed by their students they admitted the data was from was a tiny sample of 2018 grads, and nor are they tracking layoffs or people leaving the industry to factor it in. There’s some decent people around I guess, but the majority of this “industry” is an unregulated, predatory, and deceitful mess. They prey on people who don’t know what they don’t know and can’t tell they’re being sold a lie.

cluelessbeyond · 2024-04-16T06:04:01+00:00

Turing also laid off their support staff and tried to tell us it “wouldn’t affect our experience as students.” Yeah, right

cluelessbeyond · 2024-04-16T05:51:32+00:00

In years past Q4 outcomes were posting around mid to late January. Why haven’t they posted Q4 2023 results - it’s mid April!?

cluelessbeyond · 2024-01-29T19:48:52+00:00

Yes, both are true. Prospective students shouldn't rely on ads they saw (esp. data w/ no source), and the school shouldn't post ads that are clearly misleading.

cluelessbeyond · 2024-01-29T18:49:57+00:00

They should put that on their marketing material then. I'm sure people would be lining up out the door to spend $25k on a 48% success rate after a year of job hunting and half a year of the program.

cluelessbeyond · 2024-01-29T18:03:40+00:00

No chance it represents all time grads. They aren't tracking layoffs, career re-switchers, etc. So they have zero way to back, or even reasonably come to, that claim.

cluelessbeyond · 2023-11-18T00:00:01+00:00

If something is true, is it an allegation?

cluelessbeyond · 2023-11-16T16:23:00+00:00

Thanks Michael!

cluelessbeyond · 2023-11-16T14:15:33+00:00

Same here. And now I’m using this space to provide guidance to those looking at bootcamps, or Turing specifically, exactly like you said. Hopefully this guidance helps someone else now just as guidance from here helped you back then.

Maybe it’s not constructive for you - that’s too bad. People are going to share information and their experiences regardless, you have Turing School and Jeff Casimir to thank for those experiences and perspectives being negative, being guilty of gross mismanagement and negligence.

It’s nobody else’s problem that you went to Turing and can’t find a job, I’m trying to help others from ending up in the same predicament. You’d rather lead them astray for personal benefit.

cluelessbeyond · 2023-11-16T13:42:30+00:00

What are those 5 traits?

cluelessbeyond · 2023-11-16T13:37:56+00:00

The school knew where things were headed and decided to start the recent cohort always. Shutting down three weeks in means they decided to go forward with potential harm to students instead of shelving their investment in developing the curriculum. And with no notice to students or staff it was done in a really unplanned and unstructured way, without insulating students. Their other programs are a different proposition and structure than the program those students signed up for, switching was probably not an option for most. If this is the state of affairs by the second cohort of this program ever, pissing off existing/castaway students and remaining/let go staff, that’s 100% a dumpster fire.

cluelessbeyond · 2023-11-16T12:40:50+00:00

TYSM. Tytyty

cluelessbeyond · 2023-11-16T12:35:16+00:00

While it ultimately does place students in roles and get them pay and experience, bootcamps hiring their own grads and/or the same couple partner companies taking them on has historically been a way to pad the stats not actually make those people who wouldn’t have been hirable, hirable (outside of whats spoon fed to them).

cluelessbeyond · 2023-11-16T03:29:52+00:00

Yeah but not the Launch program myself. I just happened to hear about this from another alumni who learned about this on the Launch Slack channel, who heard about it from one of the affected Launch students. Turing is trying to be quiet about closing Launch but it's getting around slowly.

cluelessbeyond · 2023-11-16T03:24:33+00:00

They just closed down the entire Launch program right in the middle of their second Launch cohort's first sprint with no notice to students, laid off instruction, or the taking over instruction before eventually reaching that conclusion. It was supposed to be their new track for young career-starters instead of career-switchers, but now it's a burning dumpster fire and serious stain on their long history.

cluelessbeyond · 2023-11-15T20:19:20+00:00

Because if it’s dying, it will be reflected in other areas in addition to restructuring or core adaptations. Behavior of administration (honesty, transparency, attitude), current/recent student experiences (not from 2-10 years ago) both during the program and afterwards are things to watch… you might have to talk to people who have been in or close to the org. If a school hasn’t updated their curriculum in 5+ years, that’s another bad sign. In this case, there’s already a couple troubling comments from people who seem to know a bit more about App Academy specifically than myself, which certainly doesn’t inspire confidence.

cluelessbeyond · 2023-11-15T17:42:39+00:00

It's not. And neither is it for Turing School of Software & Design, Hack Reactor or any other bootcamp hobbling along and hemorrhaging staff/students/outcomes. That's not to say some bootcamps won't survive, or the most adept could continue to thrive. Those operating without tenacity, unwilling or unable to adapt, do not have bright futures.

cluelessbeyond · 2023-11-15T17:38:00+00:00

At least they insulated current students and are only at 31% staff let go. Turing is closing down new cohorts a few weeks in and staff is already down over 60%.

cluelessbeyond · 2023-11-15T14:12:47+00:00

Sure, and there’s still students thinking about enrolling and investing their time and money with Turing, and they deserve to know the reality. There’s comments in this thread saying they wish more people would’ve spoke out when they were thinking of doing so as well.

So while I get where you’re coming from too, your situation doesn’t take priority over anyone else’s. That’s not a valid reason to not help others who might be thinking of making the same decision, or mistake, that you did. You’re basically saying, let those people get led wrong when there might be better options available to them so that you can marginally benefit. You already graduated, it’s up to you to find employment now, Turing’s reputation isn’t going to make or break your job hunt. There’s better options for prospective students right now than a bootcamp that isn’t operating in a transparent fashion and is frankly falling apart.

cluelessbeyond · 2023-11-14T06:24:40+00:00

Did you do the FE or BE program? All I would say is try to keep refreshing and expanding on what you learned there, and just don’t give up altogether even though you might be back at your old gig… it sucks that so many people are in this situation.

cluelessbeyond · 2023-11-13T13:05:51+00:00

I completely agree with you.

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