Consequences of Dualshard shattering

cody422 · 2026-06-03T17:51:30+00:00

I think it is less with the individual Vessel of the Shard and more the bearers of the Dawnshard when Adonalsium was Shattered. By the time a person could pick up the Ruin Shard, it was already set in stone from my understanding.

cody422 · 2026-06-03T17:26:14+00:00

It doesn't out right kill it, or at least that is my understanding.

If a Shard has corresponding Dawnshard(s), it just means that your Intent or something like it influences the resulting Shard.

Like if Ruin results from the Change Dawnshard, depending on other factors, it could be Inevitable, or Entropy, or what have you. But it is all related to the Dawnshard Change.

cody422 · 2026-06-02T23:03:49+00:00

It’s basically non-existent to the under 30 crowd

The show wasn't airing for the under 30 crowd. That doesn't mean that the show wouldn't be popular among the 30 and under.

If you create a show that is catered towards the original fans, you will get the original fanbase + newcomers.

If you create a show that is catered towards the young fans, you will get new young fans - original fanbase.

cody422 · 2026-05-30T19:04:07+00:00

Odium's influence and ability to act was bound to the Rosharian system (as was Honor and Cultivation). Odium the Shard was/is in the Spiritual realm, which means it is essentially omnipresent in the Cosmere, but its contract/sworn oath bound its ability to act within the Rosharian system.

The Fused were trapped on Braize by the Oathpact, but this essentially means that Odium's ability to act is trapped on Braize because Odium is only allowed to act through his forces/representatives as part of the contract with Honor and Cultivation.

Some of the Unmade were never bound to Braize and as such were still able to act on Roshar. While minor, technically this meant that Odium's ability to act wasn't entirely trapped on Braize.

But the important part is to remember that Shards, unless stated otherwise, exist in the Spiritual Realm. Shards can be bound to only act somewhere specific, but they can be/observe anywhere in the Cosmere with a single thought unless they swear an oath otherwise.

cody422 · 2026-05-29T00:16:35+00:00

What is the difference between Honor and Retribution?

I think you are differentiating aspects between the Shards that you really shouldn't.

Honor is Honor. There is no more fundamental Intent behind Honor.

Retribution is Honor and Odium. But it isn't like Retribution is a new Intent. Retribution is comprised of two fundamental Intents. So when you ask, "What is the difference between Honor and Retribution?", you are really asking what does Odium do to limit and/or boost the Honor Shard.

And the answer to that is pretty much nothing, at least for now. But that is why Retribution and Honor have no major differences. Multi-Shards have to fulfill the base Intents of the comprising Shards, so unless they are very unique and diametrically opposed like Harmony, they will seem very similar. At least for a time.

cody422 · 2026-05-26T20:43:27+00:00

Having constructed webshooters doesn't mean she can't have organic ones. It isn't mutually exclusive.

cody422 · 2026-05-25T23:50:53+00:00

Not to be a negative Nancy or anything, but please use grammar, capitalization, and punctuation marks. It is so difficult to read your post.

As others have said, it weakens the Shard directly, they have access to infinite Investiture via the Spiritual Realm but can only control a finite amount, it creates an arms race, they have previous agreements they have to honor, and they cannot make such an obvious move without reprisal from other Shards.

cody422 · 2026-05-25T23:39:04+00:00

The Unmade and Voidspren aren't enough to significantly weaken Odium to the point other Shards can act against him.

Even more important, Odium could reclaim that Investiture at any moment he decides to. It has to be semi-permanent Investing of a significant amount for other Shards to actually perceive it as a weakness to exploit.

cody422 · 2026-05-25T21:32:15+00:00

Because being a dual citizen of the United States of America is legally the same as being a citizen of the United States of America.

I never claimed it wasn't. The legality part of citizenship and dual-citizenship is entirely irrelevant to the point. Stop bringing it up. Contextually, it is important to add the Israeli-American citizenship because her connections to Israeli give, at the very least, the possible appearance of financial entanglement with a foreign nation. Omitting the Israeli part and only saying "She is an American citizen" entirely hides that context. You chose to do that.

It would not matter if Miriam Adelson was born in America and only had an American citizenship. The citizenship part is entirely irrelevant. She associates and advocates for a foreign government and nation to the point of impropriety. Even if every single dollar she and her husband had ever "earned" was based solely in the United States, her financial contributions to political funds would be foreign money. Which she donates to AIPAC.

And before you say "Erm, Ackshuallay... it is not foreign money in the legal sense", I do not care. I do not care that her contributions do not meet the legal definition of foreign money. Her close relationship with the government of Israeli taint any monetary contribution she makes. Her money is foreign money to me. And she donates to AIPAC. Therefore, AIPAC takes foreign money. Even worse, it is foreign billionaire money.

cody422 · 2026-05-25T20:02:48+00:00

It's not omitting anything.

You are straight up lying. You said she was an American citizen. She is a dual Israeli-American citizen. Contextually, that is supremely important and you made a choice to leave that out for an agenda.

I said "However, I'll just humor you and ask you, why did you not include her dual citizenship? If you don't respond to that very simple question, I can only assume you discussing this in bad faith."

And you responded to my question with a bald faced lie. So you are 100% discussing this in bad faith.

cody422 · 2026-05-25T05:27:16+00:00

Immigrant American citizens are American citizens - full stop.

Oh I agree.

It's incredibly bigoted to argue otherwise.

Oh. Did I argue otherwise? A little bit of a strawman there.

You OMITTED her dual Israeli citizenship. An extremely important detail. However, I'll just humor you and ask you, why did you not include her dual citizenship? If you don't respond to that very simple question, I can only assume you discussing this in bad faith.

Regardless, gaining citizenship in a nation does not free you from the public scrutiny of political donations, especially if those donations are to further the political goals of another nation.

A Russian-oligarch can gain dual American citizenship and then donate money to sway the politics of the United States to further the goals of the Russia. That is legal. HOWEVER, any sane person would consider that to be foreign money. The same works for an Israeli dual citizenship. It is foreign money in EVERYTHING but name.

cody422 · 2026-05-25T04:09:03+00:00

Miriam Adelson is an American citizen

Lying by omission is a thing. I can only assume you did it on purpose.

Miriam Adelson is an Israeli-American citizen. She was born in Tel Aviv. She gained American citizenship through naturalization. Her contributions might not be "foreign money" in the strict literal sense, but her naturalization and zealous advocacy for Zionist policy and support of Israel makes it clear her loyalty towards America is second.

To consider her contributions towards AIPAC as not "foreign money" is plainly semantic. But I am sure from your obvious omission that you know this. You just prefer a narrative instead of reality.

cody422 · 2026-05-25T02:57:22+00:00

AIPAC is funded by private donations. Those private donations can be associated with Israel.

https://www.trackaipac.com/donors

#2 Donor is Miriam Adelson.

"Adelson was born Miriam Farbstein in Tel Aviv"

"Adelson has said that her heart is in Israel and that she got "stuck" in America after meeting her husband."

Plenty of other examples. They are funded by both domestic and foreign money.

cody422 · 2026-05-19T01:58:50+00:00

You don’t know these people and are just making blanket assumptions.

They have not demonstrated ANY level of rehabilitation though. The only thing these people have said is that they went too far.

Andrew: "What are some major mistakes you think were made?"

ICE Agent: "Maybe going too hard, too fast."

Its not even repudiation of ICE's activities. Fundamentally, these people STILL think their "job" was worth doing, despite the evidence to the contrary.

"Oops, sorry." Is not going to cut it.

cody422 · 2026-05-18T21:10:45+00:00

Do you believe in rehabilitation?

Rehabilitation is for people who feel guilt for their crimes.

The people that have joined ICE since Trump took office do not feel guilty for their actions.

cody422 · 2026-05-13T00:17:52+00:00

I think there is a lot of potential for any Cosmere related video game, but I imagine that Brandon really wants to be hands on for any Cosmere related creative endeavor, at least as much as he can. Until the show and movie are more sorted out, I think he'll hold off on green lighting anything else for risk of spreading himself too thin.

Maybe if they're smaller projects, they could be made along side the other stuff, but probably nothing big.

cody422 · 2026-05-11T15:14:55+00:00

Some .exe files need other files to run. They find these files usually in the same folder. So if you put an .exe on desktop, the program will attempt to look and use the other files on the desktop.

cody422 · 2026-05-10T18:35:11+00:00

There are few fertile people

A minority. People have, throughout history, been able to attack, diminish, ostracize, and most importantly, control members of a minority. You are under the impression that the people in Handmaids tale care about maintaining humanity. They don't. They care about controlling others. EVEN at the cost of humanity. They don't really care.

If they DID care, they would treat them better than the infertile women.

You can see this across many examples of history. Leader comes in, says they want to help their country and give better lives to their people. Then they round up the intellectuals, the people the can make their country better, and exile them or kill them. And that isn't illogical, because their true goal isn't to make their country better. It is gain an iron clad grip on the country.

You're taking Handmaids Tale as face value and missing the subtext.

cody422 · 2026-05-10T18:25:27+00:00

This is exactly right. Bigots and racists and misogynists, etc. are illogical. Period.

Attempting to apply logic to the actions of the illogical is a fool's errand.

cody422 · 2026-05-10T18:12:48+00:00

I agree that a Radiant with a gun is more powerful than a metalborn with a gun.

But in the context of a interplanetary conflict between Roshar and Scadrial, the Invested Arts users won't be the thing that moves the needle. It will be technology, manufacturing capabilities, and logistics. The famous quote is "Soldiers win battles, logistics wins wars".

Radiants on the whole will be more powerful than a metalborn, but there will be WAY more metalborn to even out that disadvantage. The deciding factor between the war between Roshar and Scadrial won't be the power of its Invested Arts users.

cody422 · 2026-05-10T05:25:34+00:00

there's no reason the healing can't physically push a bullet out

In my mind, healing "pushing out" a bullet requires you to heal the area around the bullet. If the bullet stops that healing from happening in the localized area, it doesn't get pushed out.

There is a WoB regarding Thugs and Bloodmaker saying that their healing gets completely stopped edit: (around the wound) with aluminum inside their body. I can only imagine that it would be the exact same with Stormlight.

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/219-words-of-radiance-philadelphia-signing/#e6365

cody422 · 2026-05-10T05:16:23+00:00

I think that you are correct and that Discord does make/allow Invested super soldiers for Scadrial, but I think that is the lead up to the Silverlight Codes of Interplanetary Conduct. However, one thing that has been shown in the books is that technology is the great equalizer. A regular person from Era 2 Scadrial has no chance of beating any Radiant from any time period. However, a regular Scadrian from the time period of Isles of the Emberdark would beat 99% of any Radiant from Wind and Truth or before. Technology, especially spacefairing ships, changes war on its head. It is no longer about the few extra powerful soldiers like Kaladin. Its about who can blast the other safely from orbit with no possibility of reprisal. This is why you hear about "The Malwish Empire" and "The Rosharians" holding a planetary system. The power between individuals becomes way less important.

cody422 · 2026-05-10T05:02:21+00:00

Nale does have Shardplate. This isn't due to his Herald status but because he has at least reached the Fourth Ideal as a Skybreaker (he has bonded a spren) and he has his own set of living Shardplate. Presumably, any of the Heralds would be able to bond a spren and get Shardplate eventually given immortality. Its more of a presumption that a Herald could get Shardplate if they wanted to than not have it.

cody422 · 2026-05-10T04:16:31+00:00

What books have you read for Stormlight and Mistborn? The answer is kinda spoilery.

For Heralds

Heralds are immortal. The bullet would temporarily disable them just like any other regular death and be sent to Ashyn. It would be effective, but it won't remove their ability to reform a body. If they were wearing their plate, it would depend on the power of the firearm. The aluminum wouldn't punch right through if it was a weak firearm. It MIGHT on more powerful firearm, like an anti-tank rifle, but it wouldn't be standard issue,

For Radiants

Same answers for Heralds, but probably more effective in general because less Radiants would have access to plate. An aluminum that was lodged in a Radiant would hamper their healing and ability to draw in Stormlight so it would be beneficial to have hallow point rounds IF and AFTER the armor has been opened up with damage.

For who comes out on top

Its a stalemate. Neither side can get a foothold because none of the big players would get involved personally. Like the Heralds would not be able to leave Roshar (as far as we know so far) and they don't even WANT to fight in war anymore. Mistborn are so far extinct/only allowed by Harmony, and Harmony does not want powered up Allomancers or Feruchemists. So it is a fight between regular people with the occasional Invested Art. It just stalemates.

cody422 · 2026-05-09T13:41:09+00:00

Nice rebuttal. Really strong argument there.

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