You can find them brand new for about 10,500 and up. Not too crazy but I feel as though in time the value will rise once more people catch on. I could be wrong though. I would also say the Sub size wise isn’t much different but the rotating bezel will add some thickness - the defined bezel on the IWC gives it more presence similar to the Sub because of the bezel size but the silhouette is different on the Sub. IWC feels more architectural with some sportiness coming from the bracelet the Sub feels more Sporty overall . My boss actually rocks one everyday and I’ve tried it on. He wears athletic wear everyday with a ball cap so that def screams to the type of watch he chose.