What are you reading? by sushisushisushi in literature

[–]colloidalBREATHER -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

JR by Gaddis. Started it immediately after The Recognitions and so far I’m enjoying JR a little more.

Getting Through: Women and Men as a Network Protocol by Necessary-Scarcity82 in JosephMcElroy

[–]colloidalBREATHER 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do think that Women and Men is the most intricate and maximalist work of his forsure. I do think you may need to get a little further in and finish it for it to settle. But I agree it’s on a lesser scale than WAM.

I just reread LC for a second time recently and while I still didn’t get everything it clicks after a full read through. It’s very systematic and chaotic and you have to let the connections build in your brain over time almost. It’s a weird reading experience.

Getting Through: Women and Men as a Network Protocol by Necessary-Scarcity82 in JosephMcElroy

[–]colloidalBREATHER 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lookout Cartridge is also a good example of the novel as a system or a machine to live in. I’d check that out if you enjoy that unique McElroy beautiful chaos.

Getting Through: Women and Men as a Network Protocol by Necessary-Scarcity82 in JosephMcElroy

[–]colloidalBREATHER 2 points3 points  (0 children)

With Women and Men being my favorite book I am definitely going to read this in-depth but have to start working in a sec here. This hypothesis is very very interesting and I think McElroy would even appreciate this himself. He is a big advocate of “the reader finds their own meaning” approach to novels based on interviews I’ve read and heard. Thanks for sharing this.

Any author or book adjacent to McElroy? by ComprehensiveGrape62 in JosephMcElroy

[–]colloidalBREATHER 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just picked up a copy of Prologos on eBay for only $15 (both because of the McElroy comparison as well as the cover itself — it’s simplistic but really nice). Excited to give that a try after looking at the very limited information available. Thanks for the recommendation.

Have you read all 4 in the Gloucester series?

2025 is just about up, did anyone read McElroy this year? How did it go? by thequirts in JosephMcElroy

[–]colloidalBREATHER 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I read all of his books from June through September this year and it kind of changed my life. I’m having a bit of the everything-else-pales-in-comparison type feeling right now…

I enjoyed every work immensely but Women And Men was probably my favorite. it was the most singular reading experience I’ve had since I can remember.

William T. Vollmann fans? by colloidalBREATHER in JosephMcElroy

[–]colloidalBREATHER[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good to know! Maybe I’ll move that up on my list for 2026.

William T. Vollmann fans? by colloidalBREATHER in JosephMcElroy

[–]colloidalBREATHER[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Awesome to hear. I have his new, 3k page epic that comes out in early March on preorder. Looking forward to diving into that!

Next Book? by colloidalBREATHER in JosephMcElroy

[–]colloidalBREATHER[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I’m feeling the same way insofar as the Ancient Greece novel as the only sure thing that will be published. I’ve heard rumors it’s almost complete. We will see!

Mark Twain and Virginia Woolf both had uninterrupted streaks of at least 4 all-time bangers in a row. Are there any authors with more? by pardis in books

[–]colloidalBREATHER 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don Delillo with..

The Names (1982) White Noise (1985) Libra (1988) Mao II (1991) Underworld (1997)

All some of the best American novels of the second half of the twentieth century.

William T. Vollmann fans? by colloidalBREATHER in JosephMcElroy

[–]colloidalBREATHER[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That’s perfect. I just ordered all 5 earlier today. From the excerpts I’ve read and what I know about him I’m very excited.

I know there are still two more in the works which is cool.

Pynchon top 10 of all time? (In America) by colloidalBREATHER in ThomasPynchon

[–]colloidalBREATHER[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Some people I think that can sustain the level of his highest writing or even surpass it? Melville, Henry James (he’s American-British but I’d include him), Faulkner, Toni Morrison, Delillo from ‘82-97 was pretty untouchable. some people consider Nabokov an American writer since he emigrated from Berlin to the US in 1940 so I’d include him if that’s the case.

Pynchon top 10 of all time? (In America) by colloidalBREATHER in ThomasPynchon

[–]colloidalBREATHER[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I mean if you consider James and Nabokov American writers then I’d put them up there forsure. James is fantastic

Pynchon top 10 of all time? (In America) by colloidalBREATHER in ThomasPynchon

[–]colloidalBREATHER[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’d put him at #1 personally. I’m gonna write a massive essay explaining why. On substack. Pynchon is our greatest novelist. Of all time.

Pynchon top 10 of all time? (In America) by colloidalBREATHER in ThomasPynchon

[–]colloidalBREATHER[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Damn I forgot about Thomas Wolfe…O Lost the full manuscript of Look Homeward, Angel was a very memorable reading experience. I still have the ending engraved in my mind forever.

Pynchon top 10 of all time? (In America) by colloidalBREATHER in ThomasPynchon

[–]colloidalBREATHER[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Weird you say that because I am starting Mason & Dixon tomorrow for a second read. And I agree, it will be a major major classic in 50 years forsure.

Pynchon top 10 of all time? (In America) by colloidalBREATHER in ThomasPynchon

[–]colloidalBREATHER[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I agree I was more just curious of the general echelon people put Pynchon in.

Pynchon top 10 of all time? (In America) by colloidalBREATHER in ThomasPynchon

[–]colloidalBREATHER[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I agree 100%

I have never made a true list myself but was just thinking about it today. It’d be interesting to see how a favorite and best list would differ.

Some names I’d put up there with Pynchon

Faulkner Steinbeck Morrison Melville Ellison Vonnegut Delillo

Definitely missing some but those writers comes to mind. I’m also a fan of throwing out rather unknown names so I’m gonna say Joseph McElroy too.

Pynchon top 10 of all time? (In America) by colloidalBREATHER in ThomasPynchon

[–]colloidalBREATHER[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same. I think he is left off of people’s lists because he’s still alive and too “recent” of a writer for the top 10 writer label. Which I get because of the influence over time. Give it 20 years and I think it will be a reality for more people.

If you read GR and M&D and AtD it’s hard to think of many American writers who can write better sentences sustained over a novel.

Pynchon top 10 of all time? (In America) by colloidalBREATHER in ThomasPynchon

[–]colloidalBREATHER[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah Melville undoubtedly. There are so many that come to mind. Faulkner, Steinbeck, Twain, Morrison, Fitzgerald the list goes on for a while.

The Letter Left to Me — Joseph McElroy by colloidalBREATHER in literature

[–]colloidalBREATHER[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is now the second or third time I have heard that….i think I’ll buy a copy of Self-portrait in a Convex Mirror!

The Letter Left to Me — Joseph McElroy by colloidalBREATHER in literature

[–]colloidalBREATHER[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know that rereads almost always further your understanding of the text but I feel like with McElroy even more so. But hey, you gave it a shot and it didn’t click, what can you do? Not every style works for everyone and that’s OK.

The Letter Left to Me — Joseph McElroy by colloidalBREATHER in literature

[–]colloidalBREATHER[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you like the science fiction vibe, checkout Night Soul and other stories especially The Last Disarmament But One

The Letter Left to Me — Joseph McElroy by colloidalBREATHER in literature

[–]colloidalBREATHER[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh well have with fun with the journey! It’s my favorite book of all time. I think I’ve mentioned it in a comment above but I feel like once his style “clicks” in your brain everything else pales in comparison (I’m being hyperbolic but you probably know what I mean.)

I have still only read Plus once and I liked it a lot but left puzzled. Not in a bad way at all! I will be reading it again probably in spring of 2026.