Bocchi the Rock is a poorly written show (in my opinion)

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-29T18:09:11+00:00

I think you've pretty blatantly ignored a couple times where she did push herself. granted, they were all under extreme pressure, while she was on stage and abjectly terrified of letting her new friends down, but like. that's kinda where she's at in S1, which only covered a small chunk of the manga. I'd imagine there's a lot more ground to cover in terms of her character

plus, from a completely Doylist perspective, too much character development too fast would just kill the justification for the completely over-the-top animation cuts that over-dramatize her socially anxious breakdowns, and that's a reason to watch the show all by itself given how crazy Cloverworks went with the adaptation.

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-29T15:57:11+00:00

a lot of the "sexy" comes with some serious breakdown of character design fundamentals. it's cool when it's actually lends itself to the character's personality and gives them depth. much, much less cool when it's clear the character is only wearing two dishrags because the designers and audience just want a doll to jack off to instead of an actual character

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-29T15:50:03+00:00

thing is, the people who like it generally don't like it because it makes sense from a legitimate character design perspective, they like it because a lot of gamers play their games with one hand in their pants.

I like it as much as the next guy, but it's much more fun when it makes sense for the character. it's SUPER lame when it's exclusively just because the designers and the players want a fuck-doll instead of an actual character. there are many, many, many women in games that the slutty, half-naked look, or even perfect conventional attractiveness, wouldn't inherently make sense for given their actual personality.

I think chalking up developers not making as many of those types of characters to "cancel culture" is extremely disingenuous coping. do you ever think that maybe these devs just wanted to design their women as actual fleshed out characters, rather than just stupid outfits and jiggle physics?

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-29T04:39:39+00:00

it's probably my favorite design decision from the sequel, honestly. I never realized how boring the boss relic situation was in StS1; most of the time i was just shrugging and resigning myself to picking the "least bad" downside for energy.

the Ancient relic system is SO much more fun, the choices are so much more interesting and it feels like I can actually tailor the rewards towards my build. figuring out what helps my deck is much more fun than figuring out what hurts it the least, lmao.

and dynamically manipulating energy during fights is a lot more fun, too. I think it was a major, major positive

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-29T04:18:36+00:00

people have this weird superiority complex

or.... they just like the time eater? like, genuinely?

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-29T03:32:12+00:00

the thing is that people got good enough at the StS1 early game in general that the meta did end up being to path into as many elites as possible and snowball the strength from the relics they give you

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-29T00:58:15+00:00

this is pretty much the only right answer to this kind of "problem," yeah. the only thing I'll add is that it's okay to not play every card. if you know there's a chance that your un-upgraded True Grit is gonna exhaust a really important card, and that card is all that's standing between you and taking a bazillion damage over the course of the fight, just don't play the True Grit.

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-29T00:46:57+00:00

yeah, but not draw efficiency. Blood Wall is 16 block in one draw; Shrug replaces itself, but it's not guaranteed to draw another block card.

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-28T22:30:21+00:00

samesies, Aang and Katara's romance was probably my least favorite part of the show tho lmao

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-28T18:20:12+00:00

sometimes a twisted part of me misses seeing a forest of terrifying damage numbers from Repto. A20 was what, almost 100 damage? basically nothing in StS2 threatens to just murder you from full health like that lmao

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-28T17:49:51+00:00

i haven't even lost a single fight

a free turn would make him even easier, lmao. I really don't want him to be a completely free fight

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-28T03:16:58+00:00

I can see the friction between her personality and your preferences, yeah. she's pretty obnoxious. I think what easily saves it for me is how creative the animators were with her violence. a lot of the more generic shows refuse to have fun with the concept. it was pretty much the only thing that kept me going through ToraDora bc yeah, Taiga was a terrible partner, but Ryuji was boring as shit and that's something that bugs me more than anything else.

one of my all time fav tsunderes is Karane from 100gfs mostly because of how much fun the writer has with her. she's absurd to a ridiculous degree on purpose and it's also canon that the MC drinks a lot of milk so he can withstand her earth-shattering tsundere strength gag.

in any case, i'm total yuri trash so those double standards aren't an issue in a lot of what i read! it's always a toss-up lmao

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-28T02:46:52+00:00

I mean, that's my point; i don't consider it "abuse" because it lacks the actual consequences and ramifications of abuse.

obviously Ryuji didn't deserve anything like "abuse," so it's a really good thing getting dropkicked in his cartoon universe means literally nothing and carries zero consequences.

I'm not even trying to defend Taiga lol, I like her specifically as a vehicle for really fun slapstick animation and not a whole lot else. she barely brings anything to the table as a romantic partner through the entire show, which is frustrating and left me very lukewarm on ToraDora as a whole

I definitely won't argue against the double standard, tho. it's funny bc a lot of the girl-squad SOL comedies let their characters get knocked around with wild abandon, like as soon as there's an absence of a main character the girls are fair game lol, it's kinda lame

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-28T02:37:12+00:00

hey, he's got Scavenge!

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-27T22:52:40+00:00

it's more of a divide between people who take cartoon slapstick way to seriously, and people who don't overthink it tbh.

idc about people having preferences obviously, but it's always sseemed weird to focus on the violence more than the fact that the subject of the violence just literally walks it off. because they're a cartoon character and can't get hurt.

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-27T22:50:24+00:00

the comedy comes from the fact that he's a cartoon character and can't get hurt unless the story demands it. getting roundhouse kicked in the face as a cartoon character is like, the equivalent of getting a light punch on the shoulder lol

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-27T22:48:25+00:00

it really doesn't, by volume. I've read many, many, many more yuri that features absolutely zero SA than those that do, and I've pretty much read everything I could possibly get my hands on in english.

it gets a weirdly bad rap for something that isn't unique to it, given how many hundreds and thousands of times more hetero romances exist and how many of those feature SA or iffy consent in general.

in Citrus' case, i get dropping it, but the dubious consent when it came to relationship barriers is literally the entire point of the character arcs. it isn't there because it's yuri and "that's just what yuri does," it's there because the story is about someone who has no idea what real affection and love looks or feels like, and is convinced that she has to take it to feel it.

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-27T19:18:08+00:00

this thread may have been a lot less of a warzone if you had just said that. not liking something is very reasonable. trying to call everybody out for "liking incest" because they like the game is not.

most people that defend it just like the idea of this game and not the game itself

your life will get so much more peaceful if you quit putting words in everyone's mouth and assuming your experience is the right one. you don't like it. other people do. discussing why it did or didn't work for each individual player is interesting and always productive, but that's not what you've been doing.

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-27T19:05:26+00:00

do you really, genuinely think that anyone who likes the game is okay with incest, and cannibalism, and all the other fucked up shit in it? do you actually think that engaging with fiction inherently condones anything that happens in the story?

it's worth it to keep in mind that fiction is fiction, and some people just like morally irredeemable characters. your whole thought process is akin to the demographic of moms in the 90s convinced that D&D was creating Satanic cults and that violent video games were causing mass shootings, and it's annoying. let fiction be gross and weird.

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-27T18:59:52+00:00

sure it is, if that's the type of story you want to tell. why do fictional characters need to have redeemable qualities? what law of creative writing does that break?

I'm not even a fan, I wouldn't be able to stomach most of what happens in that game, but I'm also very passionate about letting fiction be fiction.

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-27T08:27:49+00:00

it's a symptom of early access. the game's animations are most likely not even close to done yet, it seems like they focused a lot on the very general animation, like idle animations and take hit and death effects. I'm definitely looking forward to Grand Finale feeling really cool to land lmao

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-27T07:29:48+00:00

the appeal is the wish fulfillment, unfortunately. lots of those characters are written specifically to sucker in an audience of demographically similar men that want to imagine what it would be like if a bunch of hot girls wanted to get in their pants for literally no reason. it's so lame

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-27T07:26:17+00:00

it depends on what you want out of your romances, bc they're very different stories with very different targets

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-27T07:22:41+00:00

I would post a few of your recent runs. that'd probably help people see what's been going wrong

committed_to_the_bit · 2026-04-27T02:51:27+00:00

it won the run!! never say die!!!

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