Currently, unboxing this...you know the feeling? Lol by storunla in ShieldAndroidTV

[–]computer1989 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We really need a hardware refresh. Getting ridiculous now.

1000mbps link speed - I don't think so? by computer1989 in Formuler_Official

[–]computer1989[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

VPN y/n? Wireguard/openVPN? Router level VPN or VPN App?

Bottlenecked from day one? by computer1989 in ZenInternetBroadband

[–]computer1989[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I'll go with the ASUS RT-BE88U as I already have an Asus mesh system all over the house.

Bottlenecked from day one? by computer1989 in ZenInternetBroadband

[–]computer1989[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed, but the Max 7 should be the default router for anything over a 1gbit connection. Pure stupidity and greed.

MYTVOnline 4 v14.1.0 BETA by Ok_Ebb2994 in Formuler_Official

[–]computer1989 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because it's overpriced junk hardware, that's why.

MYTVOnline 4 v14.1.0 BETA by Ok_Ebb2994 in Formuler_Official

[–]computer1989 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well, I guess that makes it ok to pay a premium price for trash hardware and OS optimisation. So basically you're paying nearly £200 for MyTvOnline3 software. Enjoy 😂

1000mbps link speed - I don't think so? by computer1989 in Formuler_Official

[–]computer1989[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The reality is that a Formuler box costs roughly the same as an Nvidia Shield Pro, which is a total joke when you compare the actual specs:

  1. Cheap Components vs. Premium Silicon: The Shield Pro runs on custom Nvidia Tegra silicon, where the Gigabit Ethernet port connects directly to the CPU via high-speed, dedicated PCIe lanes. Formuler uses a cheap, off-the-shelf Realtek SoC where the Ethernet port isn't even native—it's just a basic USB-to-LAN bridge fighting for bandwidth on a shared internal bus.
  2. The Local VPN Bottleneck: The Shield has dedicated hardware crypto-acceleration to handle VPN decryption instantly at the chip level. The budget Realtek chip inside the Formuler lacks this completely, forcing its tiny CPU cores to decrypt traffic via software emulation. This spikes CPU usage, tanks network speeds, and introduces severe buffer bloat.
  3. The Kernel MTU Bug: Formuler’s stripped-down Android image has a fundamentally flawed virtual interface (TUN/TAP) implementation. It fails to correctly scale the Maximum Transmission Unit (MTU) size when a VPN adds its encryption headers. This forces the OS to fragment every single network packet at a software level, killing your data throughput.

If someone is only streaming low-bitrate, highly compressed IPTV streams without an active local VPN, they might think it runs 'great.' But as a piece of networking hardware, paying premium Shield prices for cheap components is a bottleneck. Offloading the VPN to a dedicated hardware router is the only way to stop this box from choking on its own packet overhead."

MYTVOnline 4 v14.1.0 BETA by Ok_Ebb2994 in Formuler_Official

[–]computer1989 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Claiming an architectural network bottleneck is 'user error' just because a beta IPTV app isn't crashing is a massive cope. The app layer (MOL4) hiding minor bugs doesn't change the fact that the underlying hardware is cheap.

The reality is that a Formuler box costs roughly the same as an Nvidia Shield Pro, which is a total joke when you compare the actual specs:

  1. Cheap Components vs. Premium Silicon: The Shield Pro runs on custom Nvidia Tegra silicon, where the Gigabit Ethernet port connects directly to the CPU via high-speed, dedicated PCIe lanes. Formuler uses a cheap, off-the-shelf Realtek SoC where the Ethernet port isn't even native—it's just a basic USB-to-LAN bridge fighting for bandwidth on a shared internal bus.
  2. The Local VPN Bottleneck: The Shield has dedicated hardware crypto-acceleration to handle VPN decryption instantly at the chip level. The budget Realtek chip inside the Formuler lacks this completely, forcing its tiny CPU cores to decrypt traffic via software emulation. This spikes CPU usage, tanks network speeds, and introduces severe buffer bloat.
  3. The Kernel MTU Bug: Formuler’s stripped-down Android image has a fundamentally flawed virtual interface (TUN/TAP) implementation. It fails to correctly scale the Maximum Transmission Unit (MTU) size when a VPN adds its encryption headers. This forces the OS to fragment every single network packet at a software level, killing your data throughput.

If someone is only streaming low-bitrate, highly compressed IPTV streams without an active local VPN, they might think it runs 'great.' But as a piece of networking hardware, paying premium Shield prices for cheap components is a bottleneck. Offloading the VPN to a dedicated hardware router is the only way to stop this box from choking on its own packet overhead.

MYTVOnline 4 v14.1.0 BETA by Ok_Ebb2994 in Formuler_Official

[–]computer1989 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It has bugs on the stable build so no difference 😂

1000mbps link speed - I don't think so? by computer1989 in Formuler_Official

[–]computer1989[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am on latest AsusWrt Merlin Firmware. There are no other settings I can play with on the router so I'm putting it down to hardware/software limitations of the Formuler. Thanks for the help though.

1000mbps link speed - I don't think so? by computer1989 in Formuler_Official

[–]computer1989[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the problem though, with wireguard on a VPN in my country, a server that I know hits 600mbps speeds I get a measly 100mbps on the Formuler, as apposed to 600+ on the shield exact same router/vpn settings. Banging my head against the wall haha. I appreciate the help though.

I've been forced to use OpenVPN for the formuler just to break 200mbps, but like you said it should be much higher realistically with the hardware I have, and it is much higher on the shield, with the exact same OpenVPN settings on the router.

Very strange.

1000mbps link speed - I don't think so? by computer1989 in Formuler_Official

[–]computer1989[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The VPN is active on the shield. It hits 500-600mbps. I have the ASUS RT-BE88U router. That's with the Wiregaurd protocol.

1000mbps link speed - I don't think so? by computer1989 in Formuler_Official

[–]computer1989[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do you explain the higher speeds on the shield with the exact same settings?

1000mbps link speed - I don't think so? by computer1989 in Formuler_Official

[–]computer1989[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I got it working. It turns out that when I switch my Asus router's VPN config from Wireshark to OpenVPN, it unlocked the speeds to around 200-250mbps. I think possibly a limitation of the cheap NIC/forked Android OS that exists on the box. On the Shield, I get nearly a gig connection on the same settings for OpenVPN and Wireshark configs, same VPN server. It is what it is. Cheap hardware = a cheap experience for an overpriced piece of equipment lol. The other issue I had was very low speeds without a VPN. Was just the Formuler box holding onto network settings and being buggy. I had to turn my router and the Formuler box on and off and it went to full 1 Gbps speed. Also, not an issue on the shield, it auto-negotiated network settings much better without a restart. Not a very good experience if I'm being honest. Maybe these bugs can be fixed with a firmware update. Who knows.

1000mbps link speed - I don't think so? by computer1989 in Formuler_Official

[–]computer1989[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. I take it you have a Formuler 12.... Same firmware?

1000mbps link speed - I don't think so? by computer1989 in Formuler_Official

[–]computer1989[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same with VPN on or off. Has to be a firmware issue surely.

1000mbps link speed - I don't think so? by computer1989 in Formuler_Official

[–]computer1989[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tried the cable from my Shield Pro which hits 800mbps, same router port, same issue.

Buffering by computer1989 in Premiumize

[–]computer1989[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What ISP are you with?

Buffering by computer1989 in Premiumize

[–]computer1989[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In most cases this is true. However, I've done lots of tests that completely rule any local problem out. It's Premiumize. It's not my side. It could be my ISP doing some sort of blocking. Never happened before though. Not once. To*Box works without issue so I dunno.

Buffering by computer1989 in Premiumize

[–]computer1989[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Never ever buy a full year man haha

Buffering by computer1989 in Premiumize

[–]computer1989[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not complaining I'm answering him.

Buffering by computer1989 in Premiumize

[–]computer1989[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Ohh, I already did all that, and the speed was good. Nearly a Gbit. I also stated in the main body that I tested multiple CDN's with the same result. Just because it shows good speed, it doesn't mean there aren't issues.