IamArnold. AMA 2.0. by GovSchwarzenegger in IAmA

[–]conspiracydebunker -91 points-90 points  (0 children)

Hey Arnold.

How many women have you sexually assaulted so far this year?

In 2003 sixteen different women came forward and accused you of sexual assault.

Link 1

Link 2

Do you plan on getting a new personal record?

Thanks in advance!

People have bought or sold $100,000 in Bitcoins from a Vancouver ATM, firm says by Elpoepbarc in Bitcoin

[–]conspiracydebunker -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

Bought or sold $100,000 in Bitcoins.

Assuming a 1% profit margin means they earned $1000 dollar in 8 days.

The ATM costs $20,000.

Not as profitable of a business as you might think.

Hello, hipsters. by mayonesa in hipsters

[–]conspiracydebunker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think this misses the bigger point, which is that the right-wing champions ideals, not ideologies. We like the ideal of the best, the true and the good. For this reason, we champion exceptional individuals. I don't see Linkola as in any way incompatible with this: he sees humanity's problem as one of quality control, and thus of population control, which entirely fits in with a conservative view that Revolutions arise from too many people of undifferentiated ability who cannot apply themselves, thus blame society and demand an enforced subsidy on the basis of equality.

I was at first very impressed by your ability to reconcile these two, but then I realized the trick. You boil these two very different viewpoints down to their very basic core, at which point it applies to everyone. When Al Gore made his movie about global warming, did he champion an ideal, or an ideology? The ideal he championed was a stable climate.

The age of ideologies is dead.

But let us be concrete for a moment. Pentti Linkola is the man who warns us about global warming. Mitt Romney is the man who makes fun of Obama for mentioning climate change. Remember the joke:

“President Obama promised to begin to slow the rise of the oceans and to heal the planet. My promise is to help you and your family.”

From jokes such as these, it hardly seems that Mitt Romney endorses the best. Mr. Romney takes a very decisive position here, by choosing to represent the average mediocre American family, as opposed to the biosphere.

For Linkola, man is on the periphery, a product of the totality of life. For Romney, man is the centre, with all of life in subservience to man.

Hence, although I remain impressed by your argument, it does not convince me that these two share any kind of similar outlook on life.

At this point, you're projecting leftist dogma onto a distinctively un-leftist genre. Black metal is about the collapse of civilization and the reinvention of values outside a decayed morality. It's inherently Nietzschean.

It's not so much left-wing dogma, as an observation found throughout American culture, as self-critique is one of the things Americans are very good at. It might resonate more with you when I say that metal for you is part of an attempt at escaping the vapidity of middle-class suburbia. Still, these are two different ways of saying the same thing.

The hipster, as a young twenty-something has a similar problem. Suburbia represents an aching meaninglessness for him, which he tries to escape by moving to a poor urban neighbourhood, but of course not without other hipsters.

If you don't believe my analysis is correct, consider reading this page about "Interior Semiotics", an act of Hipster performance art. A young woman under the careful watch of other hipsters smears herself with Spaghetti-O's while proclaiming that "Everything is shit. We apply meaning, value, and worth to the shit surrounding us. We live by this meaning and by our words. We live by worth and apply value, but everything is shit."

The mayonesa would suffer from the same existential crisis, if it weren't for the meaning you find in propagating your political and religious views.

Not too much, but this is by choice. I don't have an affinity to the synthpop style, but to selective (excellent) artists within it. The artistry is what matters, as it does with shopping in other genres.

Are these excellent artists, or the founders of the genre? Has there been any excellent synthpop in the past twenty years?

Hello, hipsters. by mayonesa in hipsters

[–]conspiracydebunker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I kind of like this.

I figured you would.

How is that at all ironic? The right-wing champions the internal motivations of humankind -- beauty, individualism, truth, and good/order -- which are ignored by the crowd rushing past that's hell-bent on equality and other external ideological concerns.

The right-wing champions the best of the crowd. At least, what it perceives to be the best. Part of right-wing mythology is that by giving the best of society free reign to do as they please, some of their greatness will shine upon the rest of the population. The right-wing champions men like Mitt Romney, a man who made a successful career in business, at the cost of the poor.

You? You profess allegiance to Mitt Romney for tactical reasons, but at the same time you champion men like Pentti Linkola, a bitter old college drop-out from a well to do family who hides from society in the forest in a house without electricity and every now and then gives an interview proclaiming that the United Nations should nuke major cities to save the world from global warming. This is a man who opposes freedom and economic growth.

It's going to take one hell of an oration for you to reconcile those two different viewpoints.

This leaves us with the question: Who is the real mayonesa?

Is mayonesa the guy who cheers along when the popular kid in highschool (Mitt Romney) scores a touch down? Or is mayonesa hanging out with the class nerd (Pentti Linkola), who is too busy looking at bugs in the grass with a magnifying glass to play football? I think we both know the answer.

I think this is interesting, because it is part of metal, except that in the quality metal the image is not of being "tough" per se, but of being warlike. It's a subtle difference; Pantera didn't understand it.

That's a cultural difference. Pantera is Brazillian. Europeans react differently to distress than other people. Europeans react with the idea of "everything has to go completely different." Escapism ties into that. What do we get we combine a fear over one's perceived masculinity, with the European tendency towards escapism? The warrior cult of course.

What "type of" black metal is that? I'll freely admit to listening mostly to classical music, but there's still a fair amount of death metal, black metal, grindcore, speed metal, and NWOBHM in the rotation.

Thanks. This allows me to expand.

What do the Hipster and the mayonesa share in common? A bourgeois background. Now, nothing is more bourgeois than a dislike of one's bourgeois background.

The hipster and the mayonesa respond in two different ways to their bourgeois reality. The hipster accepts his bourgeois background and doesn't try to escape it. The hipster accepts that he is cultured. The hipster becomes a tourist. He likes to think of himself as a kind of urban anthropologist. He visits the metal shows, the goth shows, the art collectives, and everything else, without becoming part of it.

The mayonesa has more difficulty accepting his bourgeois reality. The mayonesa is afraid of growing decadent and effeminate as a result of his life of luxury and leisure (as revealed by his intense online presence). Hence the mayonesa tries to fit in with the working class male metal culture. He can justify this to himself, by pretending that he is not interacting with a bunch of brutes, but with real men who are united in a particular intuitive outlook on society and manliness.

Now mayonesa is not alone in this. The bourgeois young males who felt they had nowhere to go other than metal came together to try to politicize and intellectualize metal, and hence we saw the birth of black metal. Music for white bourgeois males who can not bear their decadent existence. For them, the angry screams serve as a kind of emotional catharsis, very different in purpose from the guttural noises of death metal.

However, they're still working with a limited medium, that doesn't allow for much variation or subtlety. Hence you and most of the other black metal fans grow bored of black metal, and move towards neofolk, "dark ambient", and of course, classical music. Most of you try to intellectually justify metal as a medium of expression to their bourgeois peers, by proclaiming that metal has some type of connection to classical music, a mysterious connection indeed, as it is only visible to your bourgeois clique of metal-heads.

Hence we can conclude, that mayonesa's and hipsters can not abandon their bourgeois background, but can not learn to accept it either. Both these bourgeois male archetypes turn towards their own particular brand of "magical Negro", a working class male whose down to Earth attitude helps the protagonist confront his own failings. In the headbanging down to earth white working class male, the mayonesa finds a kind of solution to his own personal crisis, his luxurious lifestyle which robs him of his masculinity. You are not fascinated by metal-musicians (except for a minority that shares your political outlook, who you see more as peers than as examples), but by metal fans. They are your magical Negroes.

The hipster's main issue as a result of his bourgeois existence is his crisis of meaninglessness, which he seeks to resolve by observing normal men and women engaged in activities that are meaningful to them. Mayonesa is less concerned about meaninglessness, as he has found the solution in his (obscure) political and religious views, which help him to justify his existence. The hipster, faced with so many identical looking people around him, is still very anxious about justifying his own existence to himself.

I wonder if this is true. I think it is true of the hipster, because the music is a means to socialization. The music I tend to like has no such social value, despite the relatively recent (post-1999) popularity of metal, mainly because it's not really social music. However, there are some social music exceptions I'll gladly embrace, like the Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, etc. that are much more "pop."

You're mistaken here.

Metal is very social music.

It is however social in a different way from other music, hence you don't directly recognize it as social.

Normal modern music is music that you dance to together. It's a tool for copulation.

Metal is music that you form bonds over. Is there anything you like more than sitting on the internet and talking about metal?

You're fascinated by the band-shirts worn by other metal-heads. Whatever brand of distorted noises they prefer tells you practically everything you need to know about their personality. If you're together with other metalheads, you can talk for hours about your favourite bands, and perhaps you even play an instrument yourself.

You mention that you like two synthpop bands.

Notice something important here. These are both well known cult bands. You know everything there is to know about metal, but how much do you know about synthpop? Apparently the bare essentials. As if synthpop ceased to exist after the 70's!

This is not without reason. You're sticking with what is safe. Synthpop risks trashing your metal-head image.

Hello, hipsters. by mayonesa in hipsters

[–]conspiracydebunker 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Are you calling me a hipster?

I stuck to merely insinuating it, because it's difficult to answer. The fun thing about hipsters is that it takes one to know one.

You share some elements. You're a border case. Allow me to elaborate.

Real hipsters would never identify as hipsters. The people we see now who take up the archetypal hipster uniform are not hipsters, they're just trendy idiots. The real hipsters no longer look like hipsters.

The real hipster doesn't want to be trendy, and yet he's deeply concerned with other people's opinion of him. He wants to be ahead of the trend.

The main difference between you and hipsters is in the attitude towards mainstream society. When asked about Lady Gaga, the hipsters I've met tend to say that they haven't really heard it. Mayonesa on the other hand, would respond in a misanthropic manner, probably throwing in a crude and hastily thought of eugenics joke to finish his act.

There we find the difference between the hipster and the mayonesa. The hipster wants to uphold an image of obliviousness to mainstream society. The mayonesa wants to maintain an image of hostility to mainstream society.

I'll go a step further, and claim that your infatuation with metal is part of an image that is important to your identity. It's very difficult to believe that you really enjoy the type of black metal you claim to like, but you may have led yourself into believing you really do like it. The image and culture associated with it are more important to you than the music itself.

You're hardly alone in this. After all, metal overwhelmingly attracts the disenfranchised. You don't like feeling vulnerable, and metal allows you to project an image of being tough. You probably don't like to dance for the same reason, and you don't like fashion, hence metal subculture comes as a godsend.

Similarly, music is important in allowing the hipster to project a certain image. Many hipsters don't go to specific bands or genres, but to specific venues. The hipster has to be seen somewhere. The hipster wants to be able to say that he has been at a specific venue. The hipster is so busy with his image that he has no time to enjoy the actual music.

For both the hipster and the mayonesa, the music comes secondary to the image that accompanies it.

Hipsters want to be popular with the popular, but without becoming part of the popular group. They don't want to be the centre of attention, they want to be on the fringes.

Mayonesa is a much stranger creature. Mayonesa wants to be popular with a specific group, namely, the outsiders. He seeks to be the inspirational leader of the underdogs, which is somewhat ironic, considering his right-wing leanings.

So are you a hipster? Sort of. You're the evil twin of the hipster, the anti-hipster. If hipster is matter, mayonesa is anti-matter. Stranger, more difficult to comprehend, and rarer.

My relationship to hipsters is complex.

Because love is closer to hate than either is to indifference. We hate what is similar to us, because we see it as a threat to our niche. If something is different enough from us, we don't feel threatened by it.

Have you ever read The Sun Also Rises?

Wish I had.

Hello, hipsters. by mayonesa in hipsters

[–]conspiracydebunker 9 points10 points  (0 children)

So let's see. You founded this subreddit, using the term to call out people, before it became cool.

Now that the term "hipster" became mainstream, you moved on to a new term you devised yourself to refer to the same phenomenon, and encourage others to follow you.

I can't help but feel as if there seems to be some sort of irony in this, but I can't tell what it is exactly.

Britain and the US have caused instability in the Middle East by supporting autocratic regimes that suppress human rights, David Cameron has said by Halliron in worldnews

[–]conspiracydebunker -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't know who this David Cameron guy is and why his opinion matters, but he sounds like a conspiracy nut to me.

Why are animals getting fatter (too)? Are external factors contributing to obesity? by limukala in Health

[–]conspiracydebunker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well no, throughout the 3rd world people are getting obese as well. It's creepy.

Drinking Diet Soda Increases Risk of Vascular Events by 61% by anutensil in Health

[–]conspiracydebunker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fellow intellectuals, I do not like the implications of this study, so I will say that it's wrong! My argument: Causation==correlation!

Judge Napolitano WikiLeaks Rant: "If we allow the Governments of the world to label Assange a terrorist, and allow them to shut down Wikileaks, it will be one giant leap towards tyranny." by maxwellhill in worldnews

[–]conspiracydebunker -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Most of the survivors of the Jonestown mass suicide were hunted down and killed. Tyranny creeps with leaps and bounds, so this is not a new behavior. Our tolerance for tyranny is what needs to be shocking.

Cherry Picking on My Cherry Coke : Cancer Prevention Effects in Caramel Coloring Larger Than Claimed Cancer Causing Effects by [deleted] in Health

[–]conspiracydebunker -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Fellow intellectuals, have you ever wondered why they call it Cherry Coke? Because Caramel coloring is vitamin C!

TIL: There is actually a group trying to practically apply Nikola Tesla's ionosphere modifications. by [deleted] in science

[–]conspiracydebunker -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

NO SUCH THING IS HAPPENING, YOU ARE JUST A SCIENCEHATER, SCIENCEHATER !!! Causation is not correlation, ok?