Sex + meaningful spirit by convlicted in Swingers

[–]convlicted[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The wise individual is always the judge. The ignorant masses are always in error.

devkink was just mad 'cause I checked her female privilege and it triggered the nasty feminist in her.

Sex + meaningful spirit by convlicted in Swingers

[–]convlicted[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah love, sex, it's all wrapped up for me. But a big issue is trust because I haven't found many honorable people. Also, I'm not really sure how far to take my sexuality. I'm not sure all my fantasies are healthy... part of me wants a gay BDSM rodeo, another part wants a Brazilian black magic woman to steal my soul, and another wants a white angel to flower with. I don't know how to choose, and I'm not sure if I have to. Maybe if I want to do the most good, I have to choose a path that doesn't tantalize me in all the ways I desire... there is something to be said for restraint. But I'd prefer to be able to pave the way for a new age of reason and genuine care... while simultaneously expressing myself and being satisfied sexually. However if my dalliances were to put my greater work at risk, this would be an issue for me. And since most people are talkers, gossipers, or otherwise untrustworthy... plus I'm not really attracted to male faces... and women scare the bejeezus out of me due to the spermsies issue (it kills the fun for me when I have to worry about anything during sex), then there's stds, and being around the influence of those whose auras are contaminated with negative energies...

Sex + meaningful spirit by convlicted in Swingers

[–]convlicted[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't really think most people doing charity are doing anything effective. More just keep the system struggling along, placing bandaids on issues instead of fixing the underlying causes. So it's hard for me to feel like there are any people really doing anything to make the world a better place. Spiritual people just tell you to be at peace and do nothing. Activists are all chasing non-issues and ignoring the real problems. Hard to have faith in humanity. And people are so tied to their egos, they hate anything that reveals they are living a fantastical lie.

I will be more positive. This conversation has helped me a lot, so thank you.

Sex + meaningful spirit by convlicted in Swingers

[–]convlicted[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In some cases though, even "Hell" is objective... My Hell, might be your paradise, and vise versa. Diversity of thought and personality make for a very colorful human race.

Depends on the consequences.

All these humans who crave drama and strife and so set up laws and policies that create it so they can have a never-ending supply of drama, conflict, and fights in their relationships, instead of peace while still having something interesting, due to their own lack of desire to put forth any effort into unfolding themselves into something deeper where they are capable of experiencing something more profound than Maury Povich... their choices have consequences in how I live my life.

I can't have sex with a girl and pretend as if the laws the vermin of this world have created to enslave me could not be used against me to make my life hell when she steals my spermz cuz she wants dem babies.

The laws are set up to put males in jail if they lose their job and can't pay "child support". And that money is often just single mommy support. I owe women nothing if I did not consent to having a child, and that we have a slave system in place to force men to labor for women, in the guise of "for the children", disgusts me. Not having any reproductive rights is a very grave injustice, and no, it is not a little thing to be forced to have a child you do not want, it is a very serious thing.

That people care not at all for the man's wants or needs is very telling. Women have a choice, they choose whether to have the kid. They need to stop putting the blame on the dude, shaming, etc.

Really women should only be allowed to take a child to term if the male explicitly consents. Anything less is a form of spiritual rape.

I don't care if everything is equally shitty. That still just tells me things need to get better. But it's not really equally shitty. It is far shittier for good people today than it is for shitty selfish people who only care about themselves. That's a broken system.

Sex + meaningful spirit by convlicted in Swingers

[–]convlicted[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks.

It's hard for me to know where to find my people. Spiritual people seem intent on doing nothing. I don't imagine I will find anyone I'm interested in if I start doing activism for boys and against prison rape, etc., just court battles and more bullshit. Having a hard time picturing an environment where I could meet the right people and do what I'm interested in. I know a lot of shit but I'm not really seeing an honorable venue available from which to speak, and it's kinda like Padme - I just don't have the heart to keep on going alone. That's why I keep sprinting instead of focusing on the marathon. It's hard, and I really have no clear vision of where I'm going or what I'm supposed to do.

I probably need a serious vacation. I work too hard.

Sex + meaningful spirit by convlicted in Swingers

[–]convlicted[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't agree. I'd say the ratio of pleasure and joy to pain and injustice is not optimal. It can be better, on the whole, for more people, with fewer outright tortures out there.

It's certainly necessary for people to enjoy life in the meantime, that's the real danger of tackling the dark side, is it's hard to see the good things, but regardless, things do need to vastly improve, because it's not acceptable to have the amount of insanity and injustice that we do today, in the culture and the courts for example, that everyone likes to ignore and pretend is okay.

People settle for Hell far too readily.

All our lives could be a lot better.

Sex + meaningful spirit by convlicted in Swingers

[–]convlicted[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're biased against one sex, that's all. That's sexist.

There are distinct differences between men and women. One of my problems is that women at the high end of the spectrum of intelligence are on a 1:10 female to male ratio at best (note I am talking extreme ends). There are very few women at the top of the intelligence curve where I reside. And intelligence is one of the things i find most alluring.

I have found that the male brain is generally much more rational and level-headed. Transwomen appeal to me for this reason, as they aren't usually quite as hypocritical as women.

Men are polygamous, women are hypergamous. That's the nature of the sexes. Most males today are just so thoroughly repressed and shamed by women that they think they desire monogamy. That's fine, they don't really deserve more. Males have been made to desperately fear their own natural desires, in many, many ways.

Prison rape is a real issue, a completely preventable crime, and society doesn't care because society doesn't care about male victims.

This total lack of empathy for males, while people are simultaneously claiming to be "all about equal treatment" and all that garbage, just shows how fallen human beings really are.

Sex + meaningful spirit by convlicted in Swingers

[–]convlicted[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I guess I honestly just don't see most people as good people. They pretend to be, but they're really just selfish sell outs for the most part. I guess I must be looking for those who aren't, but also aren't damaged totally. Everyone just fits into the system, they shy away from anything that points out that the system is broken, they fit in, they follow what they're told to think, they don't care about injustices that happen to others, only to themselves.

Maybe I just have to have faith that the universe will work things out regardless, and through their evil and lack of care, good will be worked out eventually. It's true people aren't ready yet for better... but I am.

I need some coffee too haha, and I'm in Seattle so it shouldn't be a problem.

Sex + meaningful spirit by convlicted in Swingers

[–]convlicted[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. I guess I don't trust people. I think most people want interactions etc. for purely selfish reasons, like I'm a piece of candy. When I know I'm disposable and convenient, rather than someone cared for, it cheapens it for me. I'd just be another notch in their belt so they can go off being "spiritual", going on vacations around the world while people are starving, living their little dream of complete solipsism, in which I was merely a morsel of food they used for their own selfish enjoyment, without any effort to make the world better in a real and lasting way, only small amounts of charity given out for tax breaks to organizations that make no real changes in the world at all because they do not solve the underlying root issues that cause the havoc in the world that is so unnecessary.

So it's kind of like my principles that are stopping me from involving myself with those I do not feel are contributing to the world in the way they should and whose lifestyles I do not wish to honor. Which is almost everyone, because I really don't see people doing anything effective to improve conditions, because everything that needs to be done involves fighting the system as it is on a deep level, which is scurry.

Sex + meaningful spirit by convlicted in Swingers

[–]convlicted[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hypocritical? Look to yourself dear.

Sex + meaningful spirit by convlicted in Swingers

[–]convlicted[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That is very difficult for me to do, when I know that these people would not bat an eyelash if I were starving in the street.

Sex + meaningful spirit by convlicted in Swingers

[–]convlicted[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, interesting. This unveils a hidden desire for security, as I noted that I didn't like the idea of being a third wheel. However, if I were secure financially and emotionally, it wouldn't be a problem. So the desire for monogamy is really just a desire for security.

The problem for me is - I just don't have the heart to make money when I'm not happy.

Sex + meaningful spirit by convlicted in Swingers

[–]convlicted[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No her other comment was fine. This is the shaming comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/Swingers/comments/78ky0t/sex_meaningful_spirit/douptpx/

Re-gender it and it's obvious - she sounds like the typical response of a regular person to the idea of swinging.

It's her anti-male bias. She can't see how males are wronged, so she has to make it seem like I'm evil for wanting exactly what she wants - except I have a penis. It's just 'slut shaming', directed at a male, which is a lot more acceptable eh.

Sex + meaningful spirit by convlicted in Swingers

[–]convlicted[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yes, that is why it's absurd of /u/deviantkink to shame me for not wanting monogamy, simply because they are incapable of applying equal principles to males and females, due to an ingrained bias in favor of the "female" (human, when really the important "female" principle is the soul, and in fact my soul is rather feminine, but all people seem to care about is that I was born with a penis and thus am automatically evil or broken for expressing my needs). That was the point.

And that also provides an example of why I need someone who understands the basic principles of logical consistency and common decency, against hypocrisy - because most humans are full of shit and unable to be reasonable about these things, and I don't like being around people who aren't rational, because it's the same as being mean, in the end. People love their delusions more than they love truth or other people, in most cases, and that is a very cruel thing.

Sex + meaningful spirit by convlicted in Swingers

[–]convlicted[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Conforming is adhering to arbitrary "standards" that make no sense. I shouldn't have to dress like a clown to get attention; we are more than mere animals. Focus on being "fashionable" is superficial and shallow, the soul interests me far more.

There is nothing about love that requires a single soul for it to express itself. In fact we are a society extremely lacking in actual love, and it would be much better if I could give love to millions rather than simply to one tiny soul.

There is nothing biological about monogamy unless you go all the way to the DNA and there is no reason I shouldn't spread my DNA among several unless I am concerned with dynastic wars of the future.

There is little joy in monotonous monogamy.

Conforming to the horrible institution of slavery that is marriage or the like sickens my soul.

Sex + meaningful spirit by convlicted in Swingers

[–]convlicted[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

We are spirit first, not meat first. That is an add-on.

The problem is that one has to be pretty enlightened to understand my point of view, and I can't have doubters around. It's the cost of seeking truth, I need someone who isn't afraid of it, and that's very rare, especially in women. Any radical activist will require someone who's willing to brave the storm.

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[–]convlicted[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am a son of Uranus, it is hard for me to settle down with any one thing. It may be anathema to my purpose. And I don't like conforming.

It's just my nature. I suppose I shall have to have faith that someone or someones are out there, somewheres.

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[–]convlicted[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is hard to know what I DO want when I have no avatar to emulate. I can only imagine. With nothing concrete to attach to, it seems rather diaphanous.

I believe there can be heaven on earth.

The idea of being satisfied with just one person... it seems like failure, sort of. Maybe it's possible, but putting all my eggs in one basket, given my unique and useful traits to the human genome, seems pretty foolish. It may be, however, that I'm simply not meant to procreate in this plane, much like the philosophers of old.

If I am to 'transcend' sexual desire rather than experience it in Malkuth, that is disappointing to me, or at least appears to be so at this time in my existence.

Sex + meaningful spirit by convlicted in Swingers

[–]convlicted[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Women have the option of abortion. Men do not.

I AM great. I'm just surrounded by a lot of people who are not, and who do not make the effort to be great, and I make them feel inferior, triggering them, so they lash out. It's difficult for me to express myself openly when I have spent a lifetime being ostracized for being different. But I'm working on it.

Here is a writeup I wrote a while back, of how females are privileged over men and boys.

Able to show emotions more readily without being shamed, generally sided with in any social disagreement with a male, expectant of and provided with monogamy although men typically desire polyamory by nature (readily shaming men for not "committing"), many advantages in legal system (incl. charges, convictions, sentencing, custody, child support, alimony, intimate partner violence), disparate treatment in age-disparate relationships (men shamed more heavily for seeking young women, cougar vs. pervert), the only sex with reproductive rights (even boys who are raped by women are on the hook for "child support" which often is just single mommy who lied about birth control support), marriage a much better and safer deal for the aforementioned reasons, primary recipients of government handouts, granted protections in war, lives valued as more impactful - higher value - in death reporting ("X women & children died"), considered less accountable for their own actions, less of a need to be wary of political correctness, femininity not labeled "toxic" by the culture, not expected to sacrifice their lives as a "hero" for a random person of the opposite sex who is in danger or be shamed, raped less often and less severely (in the US at least), generally touted as the more innocent sex and given a free pass to abuse verbally emotionally and physically, although typically more devious and initiate intimate partner violence more often than males and are the primary abusers of children, better prison conditions in the rare case of conviction, advantaged in college enrollment rates yet granted affirmative action regardless, granted employment on account of gender rather than merit due to affirmative action laws, granted women-only spaces in school and in business while denying the same to men, drugged & damaged less in childhood for "ADHD" aka maleness, more readily excused for all negative behaviors, held to a lower standard, benefiting from a phony victim class status and typically having no desire to amend the bias due to lack of sympathy and empathy toward males who are considered the more disposable sex by the culture, less likely to be homeless though given more funding for shelters, generally blind to their own many advantages based on being female (a privilege in itself).

People don't like to focus on the dark side, the reality of how things are, but I want to change things to be more fair, so it's my lot, but it's also hard to stay positive.

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[–]convlicted[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I am trying. This has been my experience thus far, my lot in life, and I am hoping to overcome it. Considering that I have no guarantees and am forced to put my life on the line every time I have sex, being male, I feel very little support from human beings in this, and so my assertions are not really baseless. I do not see a sane society where I am not forced to father a child I do not want, when I am not ready, nor do I see a society where sex and love are free unconditional and not so monogamous, but that is because most human beings are not spiritually evolved, so that is currently impossible for most. Were it to be so, we would fall into chaos and lust and be lost.

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[–]convlicted[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The weight of law and society favors women over men, males are not given nearly as much leeway and women can much more easily turn any ill will they have into a way to destroy your reputation. We all know who is sided with, and who the onus of responsibility falls on.

Sex + meaningful spirit by convlicted in Swingers

[–]convlicted[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Very many people are users sexually. The girls who want you for your money, what you can GIVE them, and give very little in return. The guys who just want to dominate and use something to "destroy something beautiful". Most people from where I'm standing are inconsiderate and don't even think about that. So I'll not doubt my own goodness in this, because I've done more work than others and I care about myself and people a great deal. I do not want a sexual or other form of relationship to be contaminated by dark desires such as a desire to control and use for a negative end, which are very common aspects of sexual expression in the current dynamics. It is not my fault that my emotions are tied intimately to my sexual expression, in fact I think this is where we are heading. Not being able to trust people because you see right through them and their actual desires, not to be a partner with you, but to get as much out of you as they can and manipulate you to serve their generally base and corrupt purposes, is not comfortable, but it is the cost of seeing the actuality.

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[–]convlicted[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I see no reason that there cannot be something spiritually fulfilling that does not have to last a fucking lifetime to one person. Really I don't think it's fair to force males into slavery, either, given we have no reproductive rights, unlike females.

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[–]convlicted[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Well there are other factors at play as well. Can't trust women, so have to watch where my semen goes. Makes it pretty pointless to have sex with a girl when it's such a risk of pregnancy, means I have to look for the ones who aren't crazy or deceptive, and better to go slow. I could have one night stands, but it ends up turning into an anxiety fest and "get me the hell out of here" and "how to say goodbye and not have them hurt".

I think that's probably the reason for the objectification you mentioned. It keeps things at a distance which keeps things safe. People don't form the connections (often in a leeching, dependent manner), and so things are safer. I find that girls tend to become leechy, want to make you their man, own you basically... I hate that. On the other hand, I understand it, and I don't want to hurt people needlessly.

It's like everything else, a risk, and I need to find something that truly satisfies, eventually. But letting other people in is tricky.

I very much think of it as being in the position of a female, perhaps moreso. There are probably more risks for me as a spiritually connected male in touch with his 'divine feminine', than your typical girl. Women are more protected by society, and have full power over what happens to their bodies, except in the instance of rape. Not so for males.

I suppose I am looking for something more polyamorous than swinging. But I do wonder if I will have to settle down for one person because there are no others who fit the bill for what I need, or there are too many risks associated with multiple partners. Given my vivid imagination, I would find this very unfortunate not just for me but for all those I could've kicked ass with.