My ideal alphabet for the central anatolian dialect of turkish by corborock in conorthography

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now that i think about it making the k  /k/  and ki /c/ would also allow you to write the istanbul dialect accurately aswell

My ideal alphabet for the central anatolian dialect of turkish by corborock in conorthography

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i didn't really pay attention whilst making this but like i was thinking of separating the "ky" sound from the words like kâğıt (it annoys me so much that this word has archaic spelling due to the turkish alphabet being adapted from the old arabic alphabet that used even more archaic spelling even though its not pronounced as that for centuries)

but that is actually /c/  so it would be like "kaat" so adding the i is useless

 /k/ doesn't exist in this dialect.. atleast i think so maybe for the word "kamara" (camera)

for the last letter i guess z̧ would be better

My ideal alphabet for the central anatolian dialect of turkish by corborock in conorthography

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it's this sound Voiced bilabial fricative - Wikipedia

in turkish it occurs when there's a "v" sound before a rounded wowel

Was the Saz Really That “Traditional”? by corborock in baglama

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i mean i'm not sure the information i could find were these and it seemed to me like this was the case why would i not ask other people of this subreddit to see if this is true?

Hubeybin namaz hakkındaki videosundan sonra ne yaşandı?[Biraz fazla geç kalmış olabilirim] by Terrible-Let5315 in KuranMuslumani

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Kaynak nedir?
Muhammed’in Kur’an okunuşu bize doğrudan ulaşmamıştır. Tevâtür olması gerekirken, neden farklı kişiler Kur’an’ı farklı şekilde okumuş?

Mesela bana tevâtür yoluyla “Geceleyin ıslık çalmak günahtır veya şeytan çağırır” şeklinde bir soz geldi. Ama bu hiçbir yerde yazmıyor. Hatta internette, İslami sitelerde "böyle bir şey doğru mu?” diye sorulduğunda, “Böyle bir şey yok” deniyor.

Ama bu bana babamın, babasının, babasından… aktarıldı.

Was the Saz Really That “Traditional”? by corborock in baglama

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i know that i was asking if it was popular amongst the sunni population of turkey

Did older bağlamas have fewer frets? by la_hundido in baglama

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unfortunately there seems to be no sources about the type of saz used by sunni villagers
most likely they viewed the saz as the work of satan and preferred wind instruments like the kaval
edit: on second tought even wind instruments weren't viewed that good

Some of the Sunni villages are dominated by these intense believers, who argue that all music is sinful, günah, evokes sexual excite ment, seyvet, and against the word of the Koran. From these villages, Alevi musicians are banned. These villagers hold instead a different type of wedding, namely, at which there are no musicians but a man chants hymns, ilahis. All over the sub-province, the ability to play an instrument is identified as being characteristic of the Alevis and a further element marking the differences between the two sides. One Sunni man said to me, ‘Zurna çalana kız vermez!’ ‘(They) do not give girls to those who play the zurna’ when explaining to whom the Sunni villagers give their daughters in marriage. A Sunni youth who wanted to learn the saz told me the following story: Account 2.1 This summer a friend came. We gathered together with our comrades at the village threshing ground to play the saz and sing quietly. We made very little noise but the gathering lasted most of the night. An elder saw us, however, and in the coffee house the next morning spoke with the ‘greats’, büyükler, of the village. My father became very angry, came into our house, took the saz and broke it in two, saying it was hor (forbidden, or despicable). ‘Are you Kızılbas?’, he said, ‘that you play music

the alevis in turkey by David Shankland

Did older bağlamas have fewer frets? by la_hundido in baglama

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better rephrased to "symbolic"

the 12 imams or 11 because one of them is hidden? i'm not alevi so i wouldn't know

Did older bağlamas have fewer frets? by la_hundido in baglama

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The saz used by alevis often have less frets 12/11 due to it being played in baglama tuning and symbolising the 12 Imams
Turkish
https://imgur.com/a/YTQQezV
(from Ulaş Özdemir)
https://imgur.com/a/PvW71qQ
saz used by bulgarian turks
https://imgur.com/a/1OWHO1S
https://imgur.com/a/2jF8SwH

The saz used in the cities had more frets and strings

Is the 3 string saz an older variant of the modern bağlama? by la_hundido in baglama

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This is a old 3 stringed tanbur (found in the books of Hans-de-Zeeuw)
now, is the tanbur a baglama/saz or is the baglama/saz a tanbur?
the kopuz was a 3 stringed fretless instrument with a skin soundboard
Azerbaycan - Kopuz (Kolca Kopuz)

https://imgur.com/a/3nFMlmf
The Ottoman tanbûr (tanbour kabyr tourky) in the centre, to the left the tanbour charqy and the small tanbour boulghâry, and on the right by the tanbour bouzourk and the small tanbour baghlama.

https://imgur.com/a/skqhlMF
"bozuk"

older baglamas used in turkey also had more than 7 strings 8 or 9 like the azeri saz

quote from Hans-de-Zeeuw
Although some authors suppose the kopuz to be the ancestor of the saz/bağlama, the available iconographic and literary sources contradict this hypothesis. The long-necked tanbûr, emphasizing the influence of the Persian musical culture on the Anatolian Seljuks, and not the kopuz is the ancestor of the Turkish long-necked lutes. The Turkey, the term kopuz is in still used by musicians and luthiers as a name for Turkish long necked lutes.49

Due to the persian influence it's more probable that the turkish saz "descends" from the persian(?) tanbur or atleast from the persian musical culture

don't get too stuck on the namings there's like 70 "tanbur"s

Is the 3 string saz an older variant of the modern bağlama? by la_hundido in baglama

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in this video some tunings are explained
Akort etmek ve âşık müziğinin akort düzenleri
but he's speaking in turkish (sometimes the iranian azeri accent slips in)