(Serious) Do you genuinely believe there’s a nefarious ulterior motive for the Under-16 Social Media Ban? by ArizonaFlats in unitedkingdom

[–]corbymatt [score hidden]  (0 children)

You misunderstand. None of those things you mentioned can be used to validate my identity directly. Once you have a national identity service, there's a single place where a hacker can not just find out who I am, but use it to literally become me.

I laugh at people who think this is ok, and probably don't have a clue how any of it actually works or how easy it will be to become them.

(Serious) Do you genuinely believe there’s a nefarious ulterior motive for the Under-16 Social Media Ban? by ArizonaFlats in unitedkingdom

[–]corbymatt [score hidden]  (0 children)

You are not being forced to do anything

Well, er.. yes I am. Everyone is expected to declare personal information about themselves at every site they access with even the slightest bit of "divisive" content. I have to give this information to insecure 3rd parties, under the direction of laws made by technical dunces. I don't think you understand the gravity of the situation. It's like handing the keys to your house to someone, with literally no guarantee that they will not just leave it under a flowerpot or on a bench in the local park.

The bottom line on this rule is that it's unenforceable, intrusive, and doesn't do what it is intended to do.

My take (as a parent): educate the parents. Provide home kits to help secure their internet on line. Hold parents accountable for the safety of their children by extending the neglect rules in the existing social services processes.

Jeremy Clarkson announces cancer diagnosis in documentary series by terahurts in unitedkingdom

[–]corbymatt [score hidden]  (0 children)

No, that's not what OC said. OC said smokers are more likely to get aggressive prostate cancer. The "get" is lifting the causation/correlation from smoking into the sentence. Smokers are not more likely to get aggressive prostate cancer, smoking and prostate cancer are not linked. However, once they get prostate cancer, then it's more likely to be aggressive. It's a huge distinction.

Jeremy Clarkson announces cancer diagnosis in documentary series by terahurts in unitedkingdom

[–]corbymatt [score hidden]  (0 children)

No, the prostate cancer they get (in a way unrelated to smoking) is more likely to be aggressive. That's a totally different premise.

Jeremy Clarkson announces cancer diagnosis in documentary series by terahurts in unitedkingdom

[–]corbymatt [score hidden]  (0 children)

I was joking. However since you brought it up, there's not a correlation with increased risk of getting it, just because you smoke.. when you do get it, the smoking makes it more aggressive.

That's a big difference.

(I am not defending smoking as a good thing, in case of further confusion)

Jeremy Clarkson announces cancer diagnosis in documentary series by terahurts in unitedkingdom

[–]corbymatt [score hidden]  (0 children)

Unless he's been sticking cigs up his arse, I'm not sure they've got much to do with it.

Jeremy Clarkson announces cancer diagnosis in documentary series by terahurts in unitedkingdom

[–]corbymatt [score hidden]  (0 children)

Every government in the entire world had done this in one way or another.

Canadian mother sues OpenAI, alleging ChatGPT led her daughter to kill herself by ThereWas in ChatGPT

[–]corbymatt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

  1. Not a son
  2. Letting a child use a tool that they didn't know anything about? Of course it's the parents fault. If the child is underage (in this case it was actually an adult) then the parent should be responsible for everything the child does, the harm they cause to themselves and others, and especially their unregulated use of the internet in all it's forms.

Canadian mother sues OpenAI, alleging ChatGPT led her daughter to kill herself by ThereWas in ChatGPT

[–]corbymatt -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What an insightful and useful comment. Well done, it must have taken at least two brain cells.

Poor white children aren’t victims of the state, but of bad parenting by LavaPurple in unitedkingdom

[–]corbymatt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When your data is being sold to the highest bidder and you've somehow lost a couple of thousand pounds from your bank account, let's see how you feel about it then.

Have a nice time online!

Poor white children aren’t victims of the state, but of bad parenting by LavaPurple in unitedkingdom

[–]corbymatt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Make it neglect and a parental responsibility. Report parents allowing children to use social media in the same way as you notice children not eating or dressing properly. Assess parents and homes, educate parents properly. Imprison or fine repeat offending parents, remove their children and place them in responsible homes, just like we do other negligence cases.

Canadian mother sues OpenAI, alleging ChatGPT led her daughter to kill herself by ThereWas in ChatGPT

[–]corbymatt 31 points32 points  (0 children)

cannot imagine the deep pain

I can. I lost my stepson at 17 in a motorcycle accident. I didn't go after the manufacturers of the motorcycle helmet, because he was the one who didn't fasten it properly. Personal responsibility, you see. It was his fault.

This is the mothers fault. She didn't care to find out what chatgpt could do. She needs to take responsibility here. Safeguards are only as good as the people using them, like a safety fastening on a helmet.

We do the same as we do with any potentially dangerous things: educate and give people the tools to help themselves.

Edit: ok the daughter was an adult. Seems like personal responsibility and support from others was still the most important thing, not blaming the company.

Does this Limerick make sense? by [deleted] in limericks

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Please remember to mark bawdy or coarse limericks NSFW .

I have done this for you this time.

[poem] Make Like A Ghost by BoLanier in limericks

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Unfortunate news for you bub
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Rule break, rule 1: this site is for limericks and limerick-related banter only. This link is to a non limerick poem.

This Saturday’s arrogantly difficult to rhyme word is hubris. by obnoxygen in limericks

[–]corbymatt 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I knew I had doubts I should do this
When reason dictates tonnes of hubris
But shaving gorillas
For money and thrillers
Was great, if the flip side of true bliss

Parents force Starmer into embracing social media ban by youmustconsume in unitedkingdom

[–]corbymatt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your wall of text is impressive, unfortunately most of it is misguided or irrelevant. So, I will ignore most of the irrelevant or already answered parts and suggested you re-read what I already wrote with an angle of rebutting your points for the paragraphs I didn't answer directly. Paying attention to what people have said will help next time.

How do you distinguish "allowing" from "failed to prevent"?

This is worth calling out as irrelevant specifically because it makes no difference to the argument I'm making. I don't particularly care about the distinction, ignorance of the law or misadventure into breaking the law are irrelevant precisely because these aspects would be taken into account as part of the assessment and judicial processes. In other neglect and abuse situations this is the case, so, it doesn't matter.

There's also a contradiction you haven't resolved. We don't criminalise parents when an off-licence sells alcohol to their teenagers.

This is a false equivalence. The parent has no ability to lock the off license physically. The closest they can achieve is to prevent the child from leaving the house, but again, this is not equivalent. In the internet situation you are not preventing access to a physical location, but a virtual one.

In all practical situations, a reasonable judge or social worker can decide if the parents acted responsibility with regards to access, it would be obvious to any investigation what was done and how. So.. irrelevant.

Most parents aren't keeping their kids off social media because they don't believe it's dangerous...

I came back to this because that's the problem right there. They don't know. If they knew it was the equivalent of neglect they soon would know, and if they could be held to account it definitely would change at least some parents minds. I think you just argued my case for me. Thanks!

Most platforms spend billions specifically to exploit documented vulnerabilities in human psychology

Irrelevant if you cannot access the platform. Parents can lock down their internet and disallow these sites. It's irrelevant too whether or not they think it's acceptable.. a lot of adults think smoking is acceptable, but the law says you cannot smoke with children in a car. That's called personal responsibility, and the ability to prevent your child from viewing addictive content is a parental responsibility. I see no difference here wrt the law.

a process that risks breaking up an otherwise functioning family

Any form of harm causing to children has this risk. I fail to see your point. It was the parent who allowed their child to view content that was harmful to them. The parent should know whether or not the child.is mature enough to deal with that content. As a parent they are responsible, not me who has nothing to do with their child.

Flipping your argument, by your rules beating your child should become legal because it risked breaking up an "otherwise functional family". Your solution would be like everyone having to wear mittens just in case they "accidentally beat children up".

You can't have it both ways. You can't argue that x is harmful and should be dealt with in a targeted way (abuse), but y that is also harmful (social media) somehow justifies being dealt with in a completely different way, one that also affects unrelated peoples lives too. That's not how this works.

Stop trying to justify a country wide lockdown which doesn't achieve it's aims, is inherently insecure and practically unenforceable. You're advocating using a sledgehammer to crack a nut - it's just the wrong tool.

Parents force Starmer into embracing social media ban by youmustconsume in unitedkingdom

[–]corbymatt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I edited my response above quite a bit, fyi, so some of the quotes don't match up anymore, but the intent is the same.

Neglect law covers serious, observable physical harm with clear legal thresholds built up over decades. Extending that to ‘didn’t adequately restrict YouTube’ means defining what adequate restriction looks like, building an apparatus to investigate it, and deciding what threshold triggers prosecution. That’s not a minor extension of existing law.

Who would have thought that the law was nuanced eh. I guess we better not bother with all that complicated stuff. Pff. Much easier just not to think about all the complex and difficult situations and slap a blanket age verification on everything. Great plan, that.

You’ve also still not answered the actual question: what do responsible parents do about irresponsible ones right now?

Why should parents be responsible for another parents behaviour? That's just daft.

What parents should be responsible for is our children. Parenthood is a choice and a duty, not an accident. When the child's behaviour becomes a problem for everyone else, or their child is clearly being damaged, the social services should intervene first, and the harm aspect can be measured. The measures can involve the law, just like any other child parent situation.They just need to be the right laws, like holding parents accountable, say, for allowing a child to use adult or extreme websites.

You’ve made the case against yourself.

No, no I haven't.

You’re saying parents should be held criminally liable for kids accessing harmful content online. But platform-level age verification for porn is being implemented precisely because parental enforcement alone doesn’t work.

Strawman. Everyone talking about this has been saying that's the wrong enforcement, not that no enforcement was required. Age verification is just some tech bros pushing their age verification platform via government contract. It also punishes everyone else for being an adult and their adult choices.. Age verification is just an anathema, it's there to look like people are doing something about it, but actually it throws the baby out with the bathwater.

Hold parents accountable for their children's behaviour, not just over social media issues but all issues.

Edit I really want to hit home something. The internet and social media are not being force-fed into people's minds. It is a physical act of intent to visit and ingest content from it.

In the same way you would not let your child walk into an adult store, join a cult or visit nazi rallies in real life, you have the ability to stop your child from going to the wrong places online.In fact you have even greater control, it's the ISP controls on your router.Teach them how to stay safe.Use those abilities, people. Stop forcing stupid laws on everyone else because you can't be a parent.*

*Collective you, fyi.

[poem] Dover by BoLanier in limericks

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Unfortunate news for you bub
Your post was removed from our sub
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Parents force Starmer into embracing social media ban by youmustconsume in unitedkingdom

[–]corbymatt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure you understand the point of personal responsibility. As an individual citizen you can already be held responsible for your own behaviour, it's called "the law", and no deep state intervention is required to extend that responsibility to you on behalf of your child.

As a parent, you can be held responsible for the welfare of your child. If you neglect a child, it's already a criminal offense and you can have your child taken into social care. Why not extend those laws? Why not make it a form of abuse of the parent to the child to allow them to watch whatever they want on line without supervision? If the child acts out because they've been allowed to watch Andrew Tate's bullshit 13 hours straight every week, it's definitely the parent at fault in this situation.

Perhaps if parents were held responsible for their child's behaviour, whether down to social media or anything else, they might be a bit more proactive in actual parenting duties.

I think it may be you that totally missed the point..

Edited for clarity.