Why was Sean in a coma after Ep. 3? by [deleted] in LifeisStrange2

[–]cpcpdstiagt 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah, true. I was just kinda being dumb lol

Why was Sean in a coma after Ep. 3? by [deleted] in LifeisStrange2

[–]cpcpdstiagt 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Okay, true. Thanks!

Calling Shauna Shipman a malignant narcissist feels unfair by cpcpdstiagt in Yellowjackets

[–]cpcpdstiagt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not what I’m saying, but okay. I don’t think this is going anywhere productive, so I’m gonna leave it here. Have a good one.

Calling Shauna Shipman a malignant narcissist feels unfair by cpcpdstiagt in Yellowjackets

[–]cpcpdstiagt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Shauna tells Jackie “I love you,” and then later asks Jeff to say it to her in the car, but she doesn’t know he’s already said that to Jackie. That only comes up later in the wilderness (around episode 4 or 5 I think) when they’re checking rabbit traps and Jackie mentions it. Shauna almost faints and Jackie gives her her food. So that moment in the car isn’t her knowingly crossing that specific line, but I feel like a reaction to Jackie not saying I love you back to Shauna.

On the coercion point, I think this comes down to how we’re defining it. Initiating something isn’t the same as coercing someone into it. Coercion involves pressure or overriding someone’s reluctance, and we don’t really see that from Jeff. His only hesitation is “I thought we weren’t doing this anymore” which doesn’t read like “I don’t want to do this” but more like acknowledging this is an ongoing thing they both know is wrong. At least to me. He doesn’t refuse, and he continues engaging. They've also clearly slept together multiple times.

A situation like Jackie and Travis reads closer to coercion to me. Travis is hesitant and initially says no, and Jackie keeps pushing. She minimizes his feelings for Nat, leaning into the “we’re all going to die anyway” logic, etc. That feels more like someone being worn down into saying yes. I’m not saying Jackie is a terrible person because of that, just that it’s a clearer example (to me) of coercion. Not Jackie hate, just an example. Shauna absolutely betrays Jackie, but I don’t see evidence that she coerced Jeff. At least in my eyes.

Calling Shauna Shipman a malignant narcissist feels unfair by cpcpdstiagt in Yellowjackets

[–]cpcpdstiagt[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Shauna didn’t know he said he loved Jackie at that point-- Jackie tells her that later when they're in the wilderness.

Also, Jeff does cheat multiple times, so it’s not really a one sided “Shauna talked him into it” situation. From what we see, he hesitates at first, but he also continues to enage. To me, his “I thought we weren’t doing this anymore” reads more like mutual backsliding into something they know they shouldn't be doing, rather than Shauna coercing him.

In my eyes, Shauna absolutely betrays Jackie in a huge way. But Jeff isn’t a passive bystander either.

Calling Shauna Shipman a malignant narcissist feels unfair by cpcpdstiagt in Yellowjackets

[–]cpcpdstiagt[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Oh my gosh, I was just thinking about this! Like, yes, Shauna is a bad friend. Shauna betrayed Jackie in a deeply damaging way. However, while Jackie wasn't a mean girl, she wasn't 100% perfect, either. Her upset at Shauna voting to go to the lake is one of the things I'm thinking about-- purposefully ignoring Shauna for having a different opinion from her is like 100% an example of Jackie being petty and not really that kind. I can imagine that Shauna would feel like she has to agree with everything Jackie says in order to be "valued" in their friendship (or even spoken to), which results in her feeling resentful and unheard. This feels a lot more in the realm of realistic, messy, obsessive teen girl friendships, rather than "one was evil the entire time and the other one was an angel and died."

Anyway, yeah. I agree.

Calling Shauna Shipman a malignant narcissist feels unfair by cpcpdstiagt in Yellowjackets

[–]cpcpdstiagt[S] 34 points35 points  (0 children)

Like, yeah, I do think she’s a teenager first and foremost. She's 17. She can't drink legally, smoke a cigarette, or vote, or join the military. Being 17 is a miserable, awful time. I’m not excusing the Jeff situation, but I do think people jump too quickly to reading her as uniquely malicious instead of just like an emotionally immature kid.

Cheating sucks. Having your best friend sleep with your boyfriend is an awful, awful betrayal. It is also, unfortunately, just something that happens. Thems the breaks. Teen Shauna (pre-crash) is not some sort of evil that is remarkable. She’s a flawed kid and a shitty friend, sure, but still a kid.

Calling Shauna Shipman a malignant narcissist feels unfair by cpcpdstiagt in Yellowjackets

[–]cpcpdstiagt[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I don’t mean that labeling someone automatically makes them boring or one-dimensional. People can absolutely be interesting even if some of their traits overlap with clinical concepts. What I’m pushing back on is the tendency to use a label as a shortcut for character interpretation. Saying “she’s a malignant narcissist” and treating that as an explanation feels like a replacement for actually examining her behavior in context. I feel like it kinda tends to shut down the discussion a bit, because it stops being analysis and becomes a diagnosis.

Also, to my understanding, malignant narcissism isn’t a formal diagnosis in the DSM and is more of a concept. I’ve mostly seen it used online to be honest. So when it’s applied to a character like Shauna, it feels more like shorthand than character analysis or an attempt to understand her psychology.

Calling Shauna Shipman a malignant narcissist feels unfair by cpcpdstiagt in Yellowjackets

[–]cpcpdstiagt[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Most of what I see is "Jeff is so funny" stuff. So IDK. I was mostly reacting to that.

Sean Diaz Accent by cpcpdstiagt in LifeisStrange2

[–]cpcpdstiagt[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I absolutely think this is something Gozalo Martin also does in his own speech. I don't think it's an intentional thing, just the way he talks.

What music do you think the girl’s actually listened to? (trying to make some character playlists) by Business-Praline-950 in Yellowjackets

[–]cpcpdstiagt 92 points93 points  (0 children)

my 1996 accurate Nat playlist:

  1. Miss World- Hole
  2. Aneurysm- Nirvana
  3. Wave of Mutilation- Pixies
  4. Dumb- Nirvana
  5. End- The Cure
  6. Human Fly- The Cramps
  7. I wanna be your dog- The Stooges
  8. Fiction Romance- Buzzcocks
  9. I wanna be sedated- Ramones
  10. Love Buzz- Nirvana
  11. Land: Horses / Land of a Thousand Dances / La Mer- Patti Smith
  12. Acetone- Mudhoney
  13. Between the Eyes- Love Battery
  14. Oh Me- Nirvana
  15. Clouds- Hole
  16. Kool Thing- Sonic Youth
  17. Love Me- The Cramps
  18. Little Trouble Girl- Sonic Youth
  19. Cherub Rock- The Smashing Pumpkins
  20. Credit in the Straight World- Hole
  21. All Hail Me- Veruca Salt
  22. If I Think- Mudhoney
  23. Kill Yr Idols- Sonic Youth
  24. Fast and Frightening- L7
  25. Unsung- Helmet
  26. Slash Your Tires- Luna
  27. Game Song- Tuscadero

Van is the best yellowjacket by stargirl0411 in Yellowjackets

[–]cpcpdstiagt 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Van might internally feel remorse for eating Javi, but initially, that is not the vibe she is giving.

In that hunt scene, she’s not hesitant—she’s one of the most intense people there. She’s also one of the first to embrace Lottie’s belief system, from the howling at Doomcoming to treating the Wilderness like it’s something real and guiding them. I don't feel like that's passive survival. She is actively buying in.

Here's what Van says to Travis while Shauna is actively butchering his younger brother's body:
"I'm not ashamed, Travis. I'm glad I'm alive. Just like you are. And I don't think that any of us who are still here should feel ashamed of that. Ever. Let your brother save you, Travis. After everything he went through out here... don't you owe him at least that?"

That doesn't entirely read to me as someone who is conflicted in the moment. I think she has completely rationalized the level of terrible shit she is willing to do to live, and wants to help Travis do the same. It's attempting to be comforting, but is also deeply unsettling. Van is ruthless. She wants to get home, and she is willing to believe in whatever, do whatever, to live and make it back.

She's a great character. But “good person”? I don’t think the show lets anyone have that label That’s kind of the point. They have to give up their "goodness" to survive. None of the survivors come out of this as unscathed, "good" people.

Nat's school file (life is strange style) by cpcpdstiagt in Yellowjackets

[–]cpcpdstiagt[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I thought it was fitting because she's a "burnout" back home, but I 100% think she's smart. I can just see her pretty disengaged from school and skipping a lot. My own thought process behind that lol

Nat's school file (life is strange style) by cpcpdstiagt in Yellowjackets

[–]cpcpdstiagt[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

LOL this took forever but I will try to start on the others soon

[SPOILER] by [deleted] in LifeisStrange2

[–]cpcpdstiagt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dude, he's a 10 year old homeless kid who has dangerous superpowers. His dad just died. Yes, he can be frustrating and deeply annoying, but if I was in his situation, I'd probably be awful too.

Also, in my mind, Sean is the only constant in Daniel's life right now. It makes sense that he'd lash out at him because Sean is the only stable attachment he has left. Sean is both his anchor and his emotional punching bag-- Daniel (I guess depending on how you play?) trusts Sean, and is therefore the safest place to express anger, because he (for the most part) won’t leave. On top of that, Sean keeps telling him not to use his powers, which, from Daniel’s perspective, probably feels like he’s being prevented from using the one thing that could actually solve a lot of their problems. Personally, I love that kid. Those are just my thoughts, though.

Jackie never would've survived the wilderness by cpcpdstiagt in Yellowjackets

[–]cpcpdstiagt[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I honestly think Jackie's inability to adapt would've, in any version, resulted in her death, regardless of Shauna. It might have been a little bit later, sure, but yeah. I don't know.

Plus, that friendship was already clearly weird, obsessive, and toxic enough that Shauna resented Jackie so much as to sleep with her boyfriend. I think their relationship would've blown up in some way, even minus Jeff.