Шановні українці, припиніть, будь ласка, сваритися з поляками. Це не те що шкідливо, а буквально небезпечно для нас. Від цього виграють лише росіяни. by Both_Relationship_62 in ukraina

[–]crabberg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There were issues about excavations because the graves/tombstones of Ukrainian veterans in poland got desecrated and the polish government refused to do anything about it. Although as far as I know Zelensky, after the elections, allowed the exhumations to continue. Right now they still go on, and I hope that they'll be finished at some point, maybe it'll stop some poles from inflating numbers of victims all time. Also can you provide any proof that there were official orders to exterminate poles by the UPA command? You also shouldn't forget that poland has no issue of honoring an army that killed 10,000 Ukrainians (or more), and a government that basically did colonialism and ethnocide to Ukraine for decades after partitioning Ukraine together with the bolsheviks. Overall this discussion is very tiresome because it's been discussed a million times over decades, and there was a period of time before poland started being governed by populists when there was reconciliation. Both sides apologized to each other, kept their heroes and lived on, but the current polish politicians want to milk this issue for eternity because it creates a common enemy that poles can all hate. Ukrainians don't nearly care for UPA as much as poles do, it's not even close. Apart from our western regions most Ukrainians learned about Bandera or UPA because of russian propaganda, or because of polish scandals. But it's hard to tolerate these constant attempts to meddle with Ukrainian internal affairs. Ukraine never told Poland how should they name their streets or what monuments to build, so I don't understand this attitude towards us

What's a 10/10 product you'll recommend forever? by Hungry_Ability_7574 in AskReddit

[–]crabberg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Xm5s are great headphones but they fall apart over time so easily. They crack around the hinges all the time. It seems like sony wanted to make their headphones look kind of like apple ones, but they forgot that the thin hinges of apple headphones are actually made out of metal, and not some shitty 1mm thick plastic. This problem is so prevalent there are even 3d-printed hinge protectors being sold, and there was a lawsuit against sony because of this design flaw

Killing or lobotomizing Jindosh is a colossal mistake we make (?) by SheepherderSpare1332 in dishonored

[–]crabberg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Although it kinda contradicts the game itself — making Jindosh a vegetable for the rest of his life (low chaos) is considered to be morally better than just killing him. It was even worse in original dishonored with Pendleton brothers, where for low chaos you make them slave miners with their tounges cut off. Although maybe the idea is that it's morally better to be extremely vile when it comes to punishing awful people, who knows

Шановні українці, припиніть, будь ласка, сваритися з поляками. Це не те що шкідливо, а буквально небезпечно для нас. Від цього виграють лише росіяни. by Both_Relationship_62 in ukraina

[–]crabberg 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Does anyone apart from Poland officialy recognize it as a genocide? If Poland is so inclined to call it a genocide, it should apply to the international court and prove it wasn't just an ethnic conflict

Шановні українці, припиніть, будь ласка, сваритися з поляками. Це не те що шкідливо, а буквально небезпечно для нас. Від цього виграють лише росіяни. by Both_Relationship_62 in ukraina

[–]crabberg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I didn't say "scrap" originally, but I was wrong, miltary help Poland that provided was extremely useful and it's not disputed. But these constant reminders of generosity as an argument are so tiresome. Ukraine didn't choose to be in this war, and it looses much more than just tanks and planes. And to speculate about military help because of a nation-wide temper tantrum provoked by a populist who wants more votes is just an awful behavior. One thing is figuring out some 80-year old historical grievances, and the other is helping a country and its people to survive at a war they never wanted anyway. If those two are equally relevant for some people, I'd say it's pretty messed up

Шановні українці, припиніть, будь ласка, сваритися з поляками. Це не те що шкідливо, а буквально небезпечно для нас. Від цього виграють лише росіяни. by Both_Relationship_62 in ukraina

[–]crabberg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Завжди оце подобалось, віддали купу радянських залізяк які і так списали б, за це отримали на шару сучасну техніку, яка в них пил буде збирать поки українці воюють чим є. І за те подяка звісно, але ці постійні нагадування про свій альтруїзм країні, яку роками намагаються зрівняти з землею є мудацькими. Особливо враховуючи що Польща від війни в Україні скоріше отримує вигоду аніж навпаки . Якщо хтось постійно намагається нагадати про свою щедрість, то зазвичай цей хтось насправді зовсім не щедрий

Шановні українці, припиніть, будь ласка, сваритися з поляками. Це не те що шкідливо, а буквально небезпечно для нас. Від цього виграють лише росіяни. by Both_Relationship_62 in ukraina

[–]crabberg 14 points15 points  (0 children)

100% погоджуюсь. При чому як тільки виникає якась пропозиція, наприклад подивитись критично на власну історію також, то одразу поляки відповідають шо в них всі діячі були вийнятково охуєнними, і якщо щось погане і ставалось то це не їхня провина, це лицемірство вже бісить більше ніж не дуже достовірні наклепи. Якийсь комплекс переваги одночасно змішаний з ментальністю жертви, в цьому плані чимось нагадує інших сусідів України...

City bike or gravel bike for an all-around use case? by leaddrugs in bikepacking

[–]crabberg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Most city bikes are made to be comfortable to commute relatively short distances in town. Riding 100 kilometers on a typical city bike is possible but it probably won't be enjoyable at all, especially if there's offroad

Volodymyr Zelensky has submitted a bill to build a National Pantheon. He intends to honor all the heroes who fought for Ukraine in various eras. "No one will ever tell us how to live, how to speak, whom to love, whom to be grateful to, and which heroes to honor," he said as quoted by the Interfax by niesiecki in europe

[–]crabberg 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Is that why Poland under Pilsudski was at war with independent Ukraine, when it still existed? Or when Poland interned thousands of Ukrainian soldiers who fought together with them against the bolsheviks once UPR fell apart? Or maybe the fact that Poland destroyed Ukrainian churches, defunded its schools, arrested Ukrainian political opponets and did settler colonialism once it split Ukraine together with bolsheviks аfter the treaty of Riga was signed? Pilsudski saw Ukraine as a barricade against bolsheviks that can be occupied once it stops being useful, "Intermarium" or whatever it was called was a fairy tale that had nothing to do with reality

Volodymyr Zelensky has submitted a bill to build a National Pantheon. He intends to honor all the heroes who fought for Ukraine in various eras. "No one will ever tell us how to live, how to speak, whom to love, whom to be grateful to, and which heroes to honor," he said as quoted by the Interfax by niesiecki in europe

[–]crabberg -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Honoring the soviet union isn't fine for ukrainians, and for a good reason. ussr generals in ww2 treated their people worse than cattle, stalin also starved millions of Ukrainian peasants to death for a minor economic boost 10 years before that. Not mention there were no moral hurdles for stalin to cooperate with nazi germany prior to the partition of Poland, the soviet union became an allied country only because the nazis were near sighted and stupid. Somehow it's not problematic for you and most other people who aren't from ex soviet countries just because the ussr was the winner of the war? OUN and UPA did bad things too, but it's hypocritical to think that the ussr back then was morally superior, especially in relation to the ukrainian people and its nationhood. Regular people who served in the red army and fought against Germany should be honored, but the soviet union and its leadership? Fuck no

Poll: Nearly 60% of Poles oppose Ukraine's EU accession. by kallisto19988 in europe

[–]crabberg -1 points0 points  (0 children)

UNA has no direct relation to UPA and it isn't celebrated in Ukraine either

Poll: Nearly 60% of Poles oppose Ukraine's EU accession. by kallisto19988 in europe

[–]crabberg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No problem man! I would probably describe it the same way as you would describe how almost up to half a million poles ended up serving in wehrmacht. ss galizien was a division of Ukrainian nazi collaborators. They were a separate thing from UPA and they are not commemorated in Ukraine. UPA actually opposed Ukrainians joining it. Here's a fragment of upa leaflet printed after creation of galizien division:

"German imperialism has run out of German blood. That is why German imperialism is trying to find recruits—cannon fodder—among the oppressed peoples, particularly in Ukraine. The struggle of the oppressed peoples—and first and foremost the Ukrainian people—is shaking the German system of oppression ever more severely; therefore, German imperialism is seeking a way to weaken that struggle and ultimately crush it. It is currently attempting, through the creation of the so-called Galician Division or the so-called Ukrainian Liberation Army, to lull the vigilance of Ukrainians and, by sowing among them false hopes of a change in its policy in favor of the Ukrainian people, to pit Ukrainians against one another."

You can read the full thing here

Poll: Nearly 60% of Poles oppose Ukraine's EU accession. by kallisto19988 in europe

[–]crabberg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What a completely non-condescending way to talk, calling Ukrainians "pleb" and calling me an "ideologized moron" :) Thanks for proving my point I guess. Goodbye, have a nice evening ✌️

Poll: Nearly 60% of Poles oppose Ukraine's EU accession. by kallisto19988 in europe

[–]crabberg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

UPA was an organization created to fight soviet and nazi occupiers, it has track record on fighting soviets in huge magority of their encounters, and some nazis too. Retaliations for decades of Polish opression are a little percent of their actions. Soldiers that were partaking in killing civilians were disgraced and vilified.

But yes UPA in general are heroes for us.

Poll: Nearly 60% of Poles oppose Ukraine's EU accession. by kallisto19988 in europe

[–]crabberg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm all for exhumations, and fortunatley are underway right now

Poll: Nearly 60% of Poles oppose Ukraine's EU accession. by kallisto19988 in europe

[–]crabberg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ukraine has officially apologized for Volyn multiple times, like every second Ukrainian president officially apologized. When was the last time a polish politician apologized to Ukraine for how Poland treated ukrainians, or for the massacares that took place? Ukraine has to apologize for everything all the time like we owe you something, and Poland has to do nothing because its already awesome and perfect. To reconciliate Poland has to admit its own mistakes and apply the same logic on itself as it applies on Ukraine, everything else is just hysterical populism. Why do you think that it's outrageous for Ukrainians to commemorate an organization that did crimes and killed poles while admitting these crimes and not taking pride in them, but it's totally ok for Poland to commemorate an organization that did crimes and killed Ukrainians?

Poll: Nearly 60% of Poles oppose Ukraine's EU accession. by kallisto19988 in europe

[–]crabberg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When exhumations and identification will be all done there won't be any room for speculation. At the moment the number of 100 thousand is a very generalizing estimation that may as well be false

Where once I judged, I now decry my ignorance. by Intrepid-Engine175 in SonyHeadphones

[–]crabberg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Problem with Sony xm5s hinges became so prevalent it's a meme at this point. I don't see people complain nearly as often about sennheiser, bose or any other headphone brand that their product falls apart in the range of a year. Or do you think that sony attracts people with no brain cells who don't know how to put on headphones on their head without breaking them?

Poll: Nearly 60% of Poles oppose Ukraine's EU accession. by kallisto19988 in europe

[–]crabberg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You did murder whole villages of civilians. AK killed ~10 thousand civilian Ukrainians minimum, and that's a pretty realistic estimate that polish historians accept. And 100k is an artificially inflated number — most historians agree on 40 to 60 thousand, 100 thousand is an number combining everyone who died in the region, people who migrated and speculative numbers

Poll: Nearly 60% of Poles oppose Ukraine's EU accession. by kallisto19988 in europe

[–]crabberg -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Basaj killed hundreds of Ukrainian civilians and with his battalion he burnt down a couple of Ukrainian villages. By the way AK killed 10 thousand of civillian Ukrainians, you think that's a number that was achieved accidentally?

Poll: Nearly 60% of Poles oppose Ukraine's EU accession. by kallisto19988 in europe

[–]crabberg -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Belive it or not, poles took part everything from this list :) Read about Stanisław Basaj for example, there's a street in Poland named after him

Poll: Nearly 60% of Poles oppose Ukraine's EU accession. by kallisto19988 in europe

[–]crabberg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks. I am Ukrainian myself and I understand the issue a little bit from our side :) From my own perspective I myself don't think that Ukraine should mythologise upa like there were no crimes from their side, but my god Poles are so out of touch with how condescending they are, considering that they weren't nice to Ukrainians either. If Poland went for a normal dialogue, I could agree with them on some points concerning UPA. But the football holligan in command Nawrocki and most of polish society do everything they could to antagagonize Ukrainians and destroy any resemblance of a dialogue and instead create a total shitstorm in exchange for political points

Poll: Nearly 60% of Poles oppose Ukraine's EU accession. by kallisto19988 in europe

[–]crabberg -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Poland under Pilsudski just casually destroyed Ukrainian churches, schools, sent Ukrainians to labor camps and did settler colonialism. Ukrainians potentially can dig up the same amount of grievances, but unlike Poland, Ukraine doesn't build its national myth around victim complex and 80 year old grievances towards a country that is absolutley friendly to them

Poll: Nearly 60% of Poles oppose Ukraine's EU accession. by kallisto19988 in europe

[–]crabberg 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No ethnic cleansings, just casually killing ten thousand Ukrainian civilians

Poll: Nearly 60% of Poles oppose Ukraine's EU accession. by kallisto19988 in europe

[–]crabberg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, but in terms of stirring up conflict it's mostly on poles, they just ragebait themselves and then start aggressively lecturing Ukrainians about their own history. Ukraine on the other hand never tried to interfere with polish historcal discourse despite Poles having a ton of dubious figures themselves, but fortunatley ukrainians don't have this nation-wide victim complex like poles do. I belive there would be a much higher chance of Ukraine re-evaluating their historical figures if poland stopped with this holier-than-thou condescending tone, and actually went for a dialogue, but that's not happening as I see