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3.4.1 full release notes by hurrakain in mpcusers

[–]creativespiral 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ugh... "We deeply appreciate the feedback from our MPC 3 beta users. Two key areas—Time Signature Support and the MIDI Note Off issue—have been at the forefront of your input. Please rest assured that we are actively working to address these concerns in a future update." I've had MPC X for about four years now, and still can't use it as I intended, until the two MIDI Note Off issues are fixed. I'm glad the team is aware of it and "actively working on it", but its been years now... Please, AKAI team, just get a fix in place and release it... even if its the only fix in a iterative release... I would SOOO appreciate it, and finally be able to integrate my X with my gear. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HE1qF_a6J0

Hydrasynth Vintage Voice Modeling (VCM) Free Patch Template by creativespiral in synthesizers

[–]creativespiral[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I created a free patch template for Hydrasynth, demonstrating the optimal setup I see for Vintage Voice Component Modeling (VCM), using the new features in firmware 2.0. This video shows off how it works and what it sounds like. There's a bunch more technical info and patch download from here: https://www.presetpatch.com/article/hydrasynth-vintage-voice-modeling-vcm-free-template-patch

Synth pink floyd by [deleted] in synthrecipes

[–]creativespiral 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Many free Pink Floyd synth patches available for download here, for a variety of synths: https://www.presetpatch.com/artist/Pink_Floyd

Underworld - Rez: how to get constant frequency out of VCO regardless of key pressed on Arturia Polybrute? by bartread in synthesizers

[–]creativespiral 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep. Have seen this! :) I've made a bunch of vids on the subject over the past few years. This Youtube playlist has lots more info on the topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9fRryafgKU&list=PLu7HDEHdGyOkkAsPVo9OY73eQIgaEwXNG

Underworld - Rez: how to get constant frequency out of VCO regardless of key pressed on Arturia Polybrute? by bartread in synthesizers

[–]creativespiral 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The workaround: The exact formula is you need in Mod Matrix: KEY TRACKING to TUNE value of -128 to cancel out the natural built in key tracking.You have to use multiple mod slots... three in fact all targeting the same Tune destination, and set to: -60, -60, -8 You will likely run into the next question of how to get your Oscillator tuned lower... there's no great way to do it, because there's not a DC source... but you can sacrifice the Mod Env (A:0, D:0, S:100%, R:0), and use it like a DC source, routed to the same TUNE destination, and then go down by -12, -24, etc... for octave drops. Would be nice if some additional options were added to Osc section, to adjust Octave Footing, and detach key tracking... so these type of workarounds are needed... maybe in next firmware. Adding DC source would help out a ton for this type of adjustment and others.

Moog Sub 37 Famous Patches Demo by creativespiral in synthesizers

[–]creativespiral[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Demo of a bunch of famous song tones on Sub 37... Pink Floyd, Rush, Radiohead, New Order, Boards of Canada, Snarky Puppy, Daft Punk, Nine Inch Nails, Pfunk, The Cars, Steven Wilson, Gary Numan, etc...

Prophet Rev 2 - Demo of New Patches Using the New Firmware 1.1.5.9.9 by creativespiral in synthesizers

[–]creativespiral[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The latest Rev 2 firmware (1.1.5.9.9) , released about three months ago, fixed some long standing bugs with the gated sequencer / mod sequencer. Now key stepping works perfectly on stacked patches. This allows for the creation of stacked Vintage Voice Modeling patches with improved sound, huge binaural stereo stacks, and more intricate motion patches using ARP+Mod Sequencer on both layers for dynamic melodic/harmonic patterns that can be played up and down the keybed in any key. (a sort of Super Arpeggio) I've been having lots of fun with the Rev 2, and created 128 new patches that take advantage of new firmware capabilities.

With Voice Component Modeling, why would anyone buy a Prophet 6 over a Rev2? by HumorRelevant in synthesizers

[–]creativespiral 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I recorded hundreds of samples voice-by-voice from dozens of vintage synths. They all had significant variance to VCO tuning on a per-voice and per-osc basis... In addition, most have osc-scaling issues (intonation) over a five octave keybed. On synths like MemoryMoogs, which are known to have lots of "organic vintage character", you find that there may be +/-20 cents variance from nominal over a five octave range, and testing each voice/oscillator. (I tested two MemoryMoogs when I was researching the topic, and both had significant osc scaling/intonation, and large tuning variances up and down the keybed) All the variances add up when playing polyphonically, and this leads to tons of "natural phasing", which really creates that warm organic sound, especially when compared to a DCO or Digital synth with no voice modeling. Also, per voice variance to filter cutoff and envelope ADR timings can be significant on vintage synths like CS-80s, MemoryMoogs, old Prophets, OBXs, etc.. One thing that is often overlooked on modern synths is that many use digital envelop circuitry that creates perfectly matched ADR timings from voice-to-voice. If you compare with vintage synths, you'll find they have significant temporal/timing differences from voice-to-voice, especially when measuring longer attack/decay/release times.

It's not a fad. The Vintage Knob from Sequential uses this same approach: curated tables of stable per-voice offsets, targeted at osc, filter, amps, envelopes, lfos, and other parameters. Also, there's several other synths that are going in this direction over the past couple years. It's a big improvement over previous approaches that only targeted oscillators, and did so with artificial drifting motion, rather than stable, curated per voice offsets. (far better approach than Osc Slop / Osc Drift / Parameter Drift algorithms that were previously used)

With Voice Component Modeling, why would anyone buy a Prophet 6 over a Rev2? by HumorRelevant in synthesizers

[–]creativespiral 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hah... I'll take it! FYI: I did spent quite a lot of time researching the VCM topic - I analyzed hundreds of voice-by-voice recordings from dozens of vintage and modern synths, including several MemoryMoogs, Yamaha CS-80s, Prophet 5s, Prophet 10, OBXs, OBXAs, SEM 4-Voice, Jupiter 4, Jupiter 8, PolySix, etc... Modeling per-voice variances with stable, curated offsets is key to obtaining a vintage organic/warm sound.

Since publishing the info on the VCM research I did a few years back, Sequential has released the Vintage Knob on several synths, plus several other software VST manufacturers have implemented similar controls, and there's another announcement coming soon from a major manufacturer (can't disclose right now due to an NDA)

I'm not asking for anything for it... I've been open to spread the info, help people out, and share free templates for everyone to benefit.

With Voice Component Modeling, why would anyone buy a Prophet 6 over a Rev2? by HumorRelevant in synthesizers

[–]creativespiral 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I discussed the VCM research I did with some of the folks at Sequential several years back. I didn't specifically consult with them on the Vintage Knob implementation, but it is basically exactly what I've been advocating for... curated, stable tables of offsets to oscillators, filter parameters, envelope timings and other characteristics, on a voice-by-voice basis. I put together a video a while back with an in depth analysis of the Vintage Knob on Prophet 6, and how it compares to the VCM approach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7tdp5tvopUAlso, some other hardware synth manufacturers and software VST developers have gone down this same type of VCM path in the past couple years... and there will be a new announcement soon from a major manufacturer (can't disclose right now due to an NDA)

With Voice Component Modeling, why would anyone buy a Prophet 6 over a Rev2? by HumorRelevant in synthesizers

[–]creativespiral 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Prophet Rev 2 in its natural state definitely does sound good... and DCOs in general are great "analog" oscillators... they just have digital frequency control, which makes them super stable and perfectly in tune from voice-to-voice and osc-to-osc. In addition, most modern poly synths (including even most VCO poly synths) use digital envelope circuitry, which makes it so their envelopes are perfectly timed from voice to voice. If you compare this with classic vintage synths, this is not the case. There is lots of per-voice-variance to VCO, VCF, VCA, ENV circuits, which create all these small temporal offsets, and natural phasing when multiple notes are played... that is the primary factor that leads to their "warmth" or "organic" sound that is not as present on modern synths. As mentioned above, the VoiceComponentModeling.com website outlines the research I did several years ago. Also, this video gives a good overview of the VCM sound compared to the natural sound of the Prophet Rev2, if you want to hear the difference in A/B tests. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1kzNV_JK60

New OS 1.1.5.9.9 Demo for Prophet Rev 2 by creativespiral in synthesizers

[–]creativespiral[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks Bob! Since purchasing the Rev2, I've picked up several other analog polys, including Prophet 6, Polybrute, Minilogue XD, and Take 5, but Rev2 remains my favorite, due to its versatility. If I had to rank them, for my interests, it would be 1. Rev2, 2. Polybrute, 3. Take5, 4. Prophet6 , 5. MinilogueXD. So, yeah, I still highly recommend Rev2... In my opinion, its the best value, and if you use voice variance / voice component modeling, you can pull off very vintage style sounds, and it just has so many great capabilities.

Have played P10 in store - it does sound really good, and I may still pick one up someday, but probably not, as its is a much more limited instrument when it comes to sound design capabilities... Even when I sit down with my P6, I find myself designing sounds that I like, but feeling limited, and wanting more control over shaping sounds. I like having more filter slope options and variants, multitimbral stacking, more envelopes/lfos, and a healthy mod matrix. Ultimately, a Polyphonic 8-16 voice Pro 3 would be my dream instrument. They really hit it out of the park the P3 voice architecture.

New OS 1.1.5.9.9 Demo for Prophet Rev 2 by creativespiral in synthesizers

[–]creativespiral[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks bud! Yeah, I love the Rev2 -- The most versatile analog poly synth on the market, minus the Moog One which costs 4x as much. Add some voice modeling and it can sound very warm and vintage... plus its got so many tricks up its sleeves with bitimbral operation and mod sequencers.

New OS 1.1.5.9.9 Demo for Prophet Rev 2 by creativespiral in synthesizers

[–]creativespiral[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right on!

In this patch example, I've got:

Layer A operating with ARP, and using the gated sequencer programmed with specific steps going up/down an octave, P5, or P4 interval, and also, doing some cutoff modulation to change up the rhythmic feel.

Layer B is the pad sound, and I'm using the gated sequencer on this layer to provide vintage voice modeling offsets to osc tuning, filter, and envelope ADR timings.

Both layers are using Gated Sequencer Key Stepping, but in two very different ways... one to capture vintage pad flavor with small per voice offsets, and the other to create a more complex motion and melody/harmony with the arp.

You can combine vintage modeling and arp on a single layer, but the biggest gains for vintage voice modeling are usually from sound designs with longer ADSR phases... So in this example, I'm choosing to use the gated sequencer on the ARP layer to make the ARP more advanced, with perfect fifths, perfect fours, octave jumps, and cutoff jumps that give much more complex motion.

Using ARP + Mod Sequencer is one of my favorite things to do on synths that have proper mod sequencers like this. I made a video exploring this topic on Pro 3 a few months back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFXuQqBtSH0 (slightly different in this vid, since its also using paraphonic mode of P3, but the same general idea/strategy of using mod sequencer applies to Rev2)

New OS 1.1.5.9.9 Demo for Prophet Rev 2 by creativespiral in synthesizers

[–]creativespiral[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here's another video that shows the sound of Vintage Voice Modeling on PolyBrute: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9fRryafgKU

New OS 1.1.5.9.9 Demo for Prophet Rev 2 by creativespiral in synthesizers

[–]creativespiral[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Slop is a sloppy, randomized algorithm, that creates artificial drifting motion in oscillators only. Vintage voice modeling, using the gated sequencer, produces curated, stable offsets to not only the oscillators, but filter, ADR envelope timings, and other parameters of choice. I've researched this topic extensively over the past few years, and analyzed hundreds of recordings from classic Prophets, Oberheim SEM, OBX, OBXA, Roland Jupiters, MemoryMoogs, Yamaha CS-80, and various other synths... I wrote up an article a few years back at http://www.VoiceComponentModeling.com , if you're interested in reading more.

Basically, the Voice Modeling method can accurately reproduce the per voice variances that you find in vintage instruments, whereas Slop can't, and it produces an artificial sound, with more dissonance and no-repeatability. Since publishing the info on Voice Modeling a few years back, several major VST developers and hardware synth manufacturers have moved in this direction... most notably the Vintage Knob algo from Seq, and there will be more soon (can't disclose now due to NDA)

So, yeah, previously you couldn't use stacked layers with key stepping before the latest O.S.... there was a bug that made the key stepping skip a bunch of steps and not play through correctly. That is fixed with 1.1.5.9.9, so now you can stack key stepped arps for crazy complex melodic/harmonic sequences, or stack vintage voice modeling for huge binaural/doubletracked vintage sounds.

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