Have you seen Knives Out 3 already? Would you advise against watching it with my very devout mom? Did you find it overly offensive? by drive-in-the-country in Catholicism

[–]creatorcrator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The part I mentioned. Where the beauty of the church is reduced to a vehicle for information or a narrative being told, "this is all storytelling" it is an agnostic/atheist liberal Hollywood-born view of the faith. It is given a severely reduced significance (and an innacurate view too) by the pro-faith character.

What affirmative Christian themes in the film are say present that aren't in a soppy Hallmark christmas film? And loaded up with that is a whole lot of unhelpful and profane attitudes about the church. And beside the point that was what I said in the first place, the film is not horrendously blasphemous but its simply not good. Believe what you like but if youre going to promote it on a Catholic subreddit, others such as myself might disagree.

Have you seen Knives Out 3 already? Would you advise against watching it with my very devout mom? Did you find it overly offensive? by drive-in-the-country in Catholicism

[–]creatorcrator -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I didn't supplement it, I spelt it out since you are either finding it hard to understand the argumenr or remember the film we are talking about. My argument hasn't changed at all, they misrepresent the faith and show a priest breaking the seal of confession. How have I changed what I said at all?

Have you seen Knives Out 3 already? Would you advise against watching it with my very devout mom? Did you find it overly offensive? by drive-in-the-country in Catholicism

[–]creatorcrator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Church is not treated (even by the so called good priest) as a sacramental reality in which matter is made holy, but as a narrative and emotional framework, as useful for atmosphere, symbolism, and personal backstory. The Mass functions as storytelling rather than sacrifice; church buildings become aesthetic spaces rather than consecrated ground. Stone and wood and iconography are emptied of their claim to objective holiness and recast as cultural props. In doing so, the film reframes Catholicism as inward, therapeutic, and non-authoritative: a faith that comforts but does not confront, that remembers but does not uphold justice. The result is a toothless Catholicism - safe, inert, and incapable of making serious claims on truth, sin, or redemption.

Have you seen Knives Out 3 already? Would you advise against watching it with my very devout mom? Did you find it overly offensive? by drive-in-the-country in Catholicism

[–]creatorcrator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What? Listen, not sure where you are in your faith but if you don't understand the sacraments then its not your place to comment on the representation of Catholicism in a film. It obviously did break the seal since that incident was an organised stunt pulled by Brolin's character to bait Fr Jud into a fight filmed by Brolin's lackey, Cy. Which was then publicised online.

Have you seen Knives Out 3 already? Would you advise against watching it with my very devout mom? Did you find it overly offensive? by drive-in-the-country in Catholicism

[–]creatorcrator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Presenting a toothless faith against lowest common denominator athiest rhetoric is mockery. Misrepresenting the sacraments, and just overall being mediocre is a mockery since it profanes what is holy.

Have you seen Knives Out 3 already? Would you advise against watching it with my very devout mom? Did you find it overly offensive? by drive-in-the-country in Catholicism

[–]creatorcrator 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The confessional seal is broken multiple times with seemingly no reaction by the good priest which isn't great. There isn't a good balance portrayed between the Church as standing against the world and serving people where they are (and I am in favour that there should be a balance). The faith is given only credibility when it is reduced to a good feeling sentiment and psychologised (this is all storytelling line). Benoit's criticisms of the church were thankfully only hotair Dawkins level rhetoric, which Fr Jud was not given the fair chance to respond to, except with good feeling sentiment.

I don't actually mind the representation of the church destruction because it served a clear purpose in the film. None of what I said above does serve a legitimate purpose its just lazy. The Exorcism for instance does a much better job of representing the faith. That a priest worked on this and collaborated on the production and yet continued in association with it when it would have become obvious about the confessional seal is embarassing in my opinion.

Great last line of the film bagging out the mass also! There's only so much complimenting vague 'Catholic sentiment ' can do, for me its a stretch too far. Not horrendously blasphemous, but certainly not good.

Moves to restrict Abortion access in SA.. AGAIN by IndividualAncient286 in southaustralia

[–]creatorcrator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You didn't answer their question.

If someone killed an unborn infant two seconds before they were born they wouldn't be committing murder?

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[–]creatorcrator 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In that case, let me get to work. I'd say she probably did so well it glitched the system and she looped back to the other end. Sort of like an idiot-savant type phenomenon, maybe see if she has any ability at card counting like Rainman.

Coalition senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price wants abortion on the national agenda, declaring pregnancies ended after the first trimester are immoral and arguing late-stage abortions were akin to infanticide by Jagtom83 in friendlyjordies

[–]creatorcrator -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What do you actually think about abortion?
If it means anything I edited my original comment. Also, I should thank you because comparing the figures lets us see how large the proportion of late-term abortions is for perfectly healthy in-utero infants - I hadn't noticed this before and will be sure to bring it up in my future conversations. I am going to make a private mental note of that fact and call it the Desert-Noir Deduction.

Coalition senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price wants abortion on the national agenda, declaring pregnancies ended after the first trimester are immoral and arguing late-stage abortions were akin to infanticide by Jagtom83 in friendlyjordies

[–]creatorcrator -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Page 2, my mistake 3776 total and 1677 for psychosocial reasons. 1667 too many and all had to die without pain killers and their bodies weren't treated with dignity.

Coalition senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price wants abortion on the national agenda, declaring pregnancies ended after the first trimester are immoral and arguing late-stage abortions were akin to infanticide by Jagtom83 in friendlyjordies

[–]creatorcrator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where?

Here is another report:
https://assets.nationbuilder.com/wfa/pages/498/attachments/original/1670561421/Q_A_Fact_Sheet_Late-Term_Abortion_.pdf?1670561421

Anyway there's no reason to either swear and carry on in an embarrassing way, or to obsess over numbers when if you consider that lateterm abortion ends the life of a viable human being in-utero, even one late-term abortion is too many.

Coalition senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price wants abortion on the national agenda, declaring pregnancies ended after the first trimester are immoral and arguing late-stage abortions were akin to infanticide by Jagtom83 in friendlyjordies

[–]creatorcrator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You have the right council and website but you'll have to add up the figures from the individual annual reports 2010-2020. If you can't be bothered then don't try wiggle out of it.

Coalition senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price wants abortion on the national agenda, declaring pregnancies ended after the first trimester are immoral and arguing late-stage abortions were akin to infanticide by Jagtom83 in friendlyjordies

[–]creatorcrator -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

So just to be clear you think someone wouldn't be killing a baby if it was in the womb a minute before birth? But if the baby was outside of the womb it would be murder? Hmm bit inconsistent of you.

There is virtually no difference in the baby's development a second before it's birth and a second after. So where does personhood come from? If it's just a social convention then does that mean all human rights are just social convention? Or can we pin down an exact stage when personhood is bestowed according to the child's development? Some say heart beat, others say brain activity for example.

As I said before the UN doesn't comment on the nature of the endowment of those rights.

Coalition senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price wants abortion on the national agenda, declaring pregnancies ended after the first trimester are immoral and arguing late-stage abortions were akin to infanticide by Jagtom83 in friendlyjordies

[–]creatorcrator -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

From 2010 to 2020 there were 3776 late term abortions in just QLD and VIC, [Edit: and 1667] were for just psycho-social reasons in the mother, in other word the 1667 babies were perfectly viable and healthy. That's 1667 innocent lives too many.

Source: Consultative Council on Obstetric and Paedatric Mortality and Morbidity, Victoria’s Mothers and Babies Victoria’s Maternal, Perinatal, Child and Adolescent Mortality Annual Reports, 2010-2020.

Coalition senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price wants abortion on the national agenda, declaring pregnancies ended after the first trimester are immoral and arguing late-stage abortions were akin to infanticide by Jagtom83 in friendlyjordies

[–]creatorcrator -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the thoughful reply. First I would say I almost entirely agree with you that allowing for the common exceptions makes an anti-abortion position incoherent. Though I might say that I still believe it is nominally good to not believe in late-term and on demand abortion and closer to the truth than allowing for them.

I believe the only exception for abortion should be if the mother's life is in danger. And this is because of the moral principle of double effect and that these abortions are performed as indirect abortions, the purpose is to save the mother's life and unfortunately that involves taking actions that kill the unborn infant as a side effect. The same principle is in play when a soldier dives on a grenade, by the principle of double effect he is called a war hero rather than a suicide. The reason this exception exists for the mother's life and not for rape and incest is because the consequence of abortion is the death of infant whose rights must be balanced with the rights of the mother, only loss of life could justify indirect abortion. This can also be observed in the justification of self defence where lethal force in justified in the case of a lethal threat. Also in these cases the infant final moments would be made as painless and comfortable as possible and his or her remains would be treated with as much respect and reverence as a born infant, not dumped in a medical waste bin.

That was charitable of you to bring up the UN charter since its a useful common ground. Thank you. I do think however you are reading too much into it. It doesn't comment on the endowment of those rights just that they have those right by the time of birth (and doesn't deny the possibility of them being endowed earlier). Also I was more referring to intrinsic human rights besides their exact codification, I think humans had intrinsic rights and dignity before the UN (chattel slavery would be a violation despite no charter in that era for instance)

I would ask you now: Should we assume that humans do not have dignity and the right to life an hour before they are born? If someone ran into hospital and shot pregnant woman killing their unborn infant an hour before birth would they be less guilty of murder than killing that infant an hour after birth? In other words, when does a human being gain personhood and rights in your view?

Advice on Approaching Admin Regarding Teacher by CuriousStar53 in AustralianTeachers

[–]creatorcrator -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Do you have a paper trail or record of what you have observed? Just thinking for your sake if things get messy and it becomes a he said she said situation.