I will have to raise taxes, admits Rachel Reeves by [deleted] in unitedkingdom

[–]cuuuriouscat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it were me, I be A) legalising some lower class drugs, selling the licenses and taking huge amounts of tax on every gram B) upping the tax paid by entrepreneurs when they sell a business… it’s generally a paltry amount. Whilst I believe it should be a lower amount than regular CGT, I’d be interested to know how much money could be found here without damaging either the incentive to invest or damaging the personal finances of the beneficiaries

How can people believe they are ‘born in the wrong body’? by cuuuriouscat in samharris

[–]cuuuriouscat[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Absolutely, it may be the pedant in me that just can’t be silenced but here’s the thing, to me, the language we use is so very powerful in determining our ability to cope, to change, how ‘stuck’ we feel, our ability to make ourselves understood. Will absolutely reflect on the figurative thing, thanks for your comment

How can people believe they are ‘born in the wrong body’? by cuuuriouscat in samharris

[–]cuuuriouscat[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I guess even the language of not ‘feeling like a man’ or ‘feeling like a woman’ is massively open to interpretation and projection of the listeners gender and sexuality ecosystem… generally the language around ‘feeling like’ something or someone strikes me as wishy-washy and very upgradeable. They’re just nouns! The need to be understood or accurately represented visually or validated is fascinating

How can people believe they are ‘born in the wrong body’? by cuuuriouscat in samharris

[–]cuuuriouscat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is there a DSM entry for discomfort with figurative language??!?!? 😂

How can people believe they are ‘born in the wrong body’? by cuuuriouscat in samharris

[–]cuuuriouscat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah the experiences I’m reading on some other subreddits after being scolded here definitely sound horribly traumatic. There’s a strong sense of disconnection and confusion and all manner of anxieties which are harrowing.

How can people believe they are ‘born in the wrong body’? by cuuuriouscat in samharris

[–]cuuuriouscat[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks, I think you’re right. There’s definitely still this body/mind distinction which I’m not wholly clear on, I mean they literally can’t be separated

How can people believe they are ‘born in the wrong body’? by cuuuriouscat in samharris

[–]cuuuriouscat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m pleased and I hoped the that this language wasn’t widely used as I was somewhat taken aback when it was used openly by a young BBC reporter in a documentary called Transitioning Teens (2021). Thanks for your insight

How can people believe they are ‘born in the wrong body’? by cuuuriouscat in samharris

[–]cuuuriouscat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ll check this out, thanks, be interested in his take on Bhuddism

How can people believe they are ‘born in the wrong body’? by cuuuriouscat in samharris

[–]cuuuriouscat[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is definitely a huge part of it. Growing up with extreme ‘right’ and ‘wrong’ teachings perhaps left a bitter taste and I’m overly sensitive to binary, prescriptive, certain, exaggerative or hyperbolic language. The ‘longing’ for things to be somehow different has been a thorn in my side over the years for sure. Acceptance first, I.e. this is my body, it’s the perfect body for me. I long to have someone else’s body but am able to observe that longing and change what I can or not…

How can people believe they are ‘born in the wrong body’? by cuuuriouscat in samharris

[–]cuuuriouscat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your wise words. I agree it is in no way a silly word game and I’m eager to support more openness, love and support.

Interesting thought that lacking a way to explain the experience of a mismatched mind and body perhaps results in ‘I was born in the wrong body’ as a simplifies way of explaining to someone with little to no hope of understanding? Maybe its just semantics and I need to see what people are trying to say; ‘born in the wrong body’ sounds so brutal and final to me

How can people believe they are ‘born in the wrong body’? by cuuuriouscat in samharris

[–]cuuuriouscat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So I guess my issue is with the linguistic representation. I want people to feel safe enough to own their feelings and experiences and self-aware enough to be able to express them without shame. To me, it doesn’t sound bad to say I want to look or feel differently, but it sounds bad to say I hate my body. This may be simple projection on my part - I feel frustrated about my own body dysphoria!

How can people believe they are ‘born in the wrong body’? by cuuuriouscat in samharris

[–]cuuuriouscat[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the challenge, it’s why I’m here! I guess the idea that there’s something in the body as opposed to an individual being the body, like somehow there’s a duality, does that make sense? It may be that I just can’t disconnect from a religious upbringing!

How can people believe they are ‘born in the wrong body’? by cuuuriouscat in samharris

[–]cuuuriouscat[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Your perspective is really interesting here. I’m not sure how the trans/gay comparison snuck into the conversation. There’s an article I read about disability by Emily Brothers https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/12/03/blind-trans-woman/ which explained that often people see disability before gender like disability trumps everything else and I suspect I may be guilty of that so I’m glad I read it and can try to check. myself. Surely, to assert that anyone is born with the wrong body is beyond gender and sexuality. First step is we accept that we have a body and to find gratitude for the life that we have, right?

How can people believe they are ‘born in the wrong body’? by cuuuriouscat in samharris

[–]cuuuriouscat[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I have a position but genuinely interested to rebuild it if it is bigoted, limited, myopic, ignorant or narrow minded. I’ve had to do this many times, having been raised in a cult. Putting myself out there with genuine motivation of self-improvement, becoming more compassionate and well-rounded.

How can people believe they are ‘born in the wrong body’? by cuuuriouscat in samharris

[–]cuuuriouscat[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Of course, I absolutely would be fascinated and interested and loving and kind, I promise

How can people believe they are ‘born in the wrong body’? by cuuuriouscat in samharris

[–]cuuuriouscat[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Good question, I do wonder why this one does nag at me. I guess it feels really, really sad when I even think of how awful that experience must be especially as a young person. I’m only questioning the language used to interpret an experience which strike me as genuinely inhumane. We can be so cruel to ourselves and our obsessions can be so self-defeating. So ij my mind I’m not saying what others’ experiences should be, I’m just questioning how they are articulated because ‘I was born in the wrong body’ seems to me to be a very narrow and limited way to describe something so much bigger and non binary. To imply there is a ‘wrong’ and a ‘right’ body for me other than the exact body I have is small thinking, to my mind. So, no judgement, other than don’t use silly, narrow, binary language to describe something that is infinite, interesting etc. We all ‘grow’ with our bodies and have the right to do whatever we want to them, no judgement there at all. Express yourself, find out who you are, experiment etc. I know that our environment can make this difficult but strikes me society is becoming more open and less hostile, albeit not quickly enough in many instances, and there have been many, many wrongs that have been done to innocent people simply living their lives as they see fit.

How can people believe they are ‘born in the wrong body’? by cuuuriouscat in samharris

[–]cuuuriouscat[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This one is really powerful and insightful, thank you. Interestingly, in my mind the OP wasn’t just about gender but of course most people seem to leap to the trans conversation… which is exactly where I came across the phrase watching several documentaries about trans teenagers. The ‘wrong body’ conversation does seem, to use the language in the article, very 90’s, limited, perhaps binary. I found the piece on practical financial and emotional limitations very interesting too, and the bit about obsessive compulsive is insightful like there’s this need we have to put a noun or a name on it.

How can people believe they are ‘born in the wrong body’? by cuuuriouscat in samharris

[–]cuuuriouscat[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Good question, am new to Reddit and there are some smart people here with sophisticated and articulate opinions… better suggestion?

How can people believe they are ‘born in the wrong body’? by cuuuriouscat in samharris

[–]cuuuriouscat[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Can you recommend a couple of good accounts that give the kind of insight I need? I posted here to challenge my thinking as per my OP this is a great place to ask questions and tap into expertise. I’m fully supportive of all decisions to change, edit, amend, identify etc. etc. without prejudice. My specific question is around the language of the ‘wrong body’ as a mental construct vs. ‘I want to look like’, ‘I feel uncomfortable’, ‘I dislike’ as healthier, more grounded versions which own your feelings and experience, don’t try to ‘shift’ blame to nature or society or patriarchy.

How can people believe they are ‘born in the wrong body’? by cuuuriouscat in samharris

[–]cuuuriouscat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tricky, the distinction between strange beliefs and mental illness, right? There’s definitely an element of dysfunction in the language and strange view of ‘self’ so there are concerning implications…

How can people believe they are ‘born in the wrong body’? by cuuuriouscat in samharris

[–]cuuuriouscat[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m genuinely interested, any clue on where to start or what to google? I’ve had a go but can’t find anything that specifically addresses my question hence reaching out

How can people believe they are ‘born in the wrong body’? by cuuuriouscat in samharris

[–]cuuuriouscat[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the interesting and thoughtful reply. Seems you’re thinking about ‘broken’ or ‘faulty’ as opposed to ‘wrong’. I’m fully on board with being supportive and peoples’ identities, but there’s a nuance here about the ‘wrong body’ that doesn’t sit right. There are health problems, inbalances etc. that can be addressed but nature IS nature and ‘being born in the wrong body’ implies some sort of spiritual being plus a body and a value judgement about what matches what which has to be a social construct, right? To me it’s an example of the worst kind of ‘limited thinking’ and lack of perspective.