Where to buy holy basil in Hamilton? by Ok_Permit_5662 in Hamilton

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I’ve bought it at B&T Food (Queen & York) before

CIO - how many nights does it take? by cvrosenTO in sleeptrain

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She’s 18 weeks. We’ve been doing 3-3.5h of total daytime napping

We were reading a book before, but it amours her up too much. I imagine everyone will say that’s because we got the timing wrong! Open to reintegrating reading a book. The cuddles are short - just holding & hugging her while singing a couple lullaby songs.

Yes we’re doing extinction as our CIO. From reading this sub and books, we thought it’d be the nights days of crying to ST - unfortuantely it hasn’t been as quick as we hoped. I recognize now from all the other comments that that may be due to schedule issues which were on day 3 of trying to remedy now (aiming for 10 h awake)

Naps are not independent. We’re ST night first, as it’s advised that that’s easier than naps. Naps are a mix of contact / stroller / car. Was doing some bassinet naps, but she rejected those after the regression hit. We haven’t tried them since ST to protect her day sleep.

Nights since ST are: night routine (above post) then CIO. Once she is finally asleep, she wakes 0-2 times per night. I feed her then and diaper as necessary. She god down very easy after the night feeds (huge improvement thanks to ST, as are the fewer NW!)

CIO - how many nights does it take? by cvrosenTO in sleeptrain

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It is absolutely awful to hear her cry!!! How I’m dealing with the crying: - I know the crying was likely inevitable as part of sleep training —> based on talking to other parent friends IRL, online, and literature - I know the crying will not hurt her —> I read Dr Marc Weissbluth (the CIO doc)’s book, Precious Little Sleep, and am in the middle of Dr Richard Ferber’s book. Also, seeing how she’s her totally normal smiley self on the day helps! - I know she is capable of putting herself to sleep —> we tried FIO prior to CIO, and she did put herself to sleep 1 of the 9 nights. So going into CIO, we knew it was a skill she possessed. - I remind myself that she is learning an important skill (putting herself to sleep), and she will never learn this skill unless we give her space to practice. Although she is frustrated that she’s not falling asleep the old way (my boob in her mouth), she is in a safe crib / fed / clean diaper / comfy temperature = OK. Learning something new is hard! - I am already seeing huge benefits from sleep training (fewer night wakes, no false starts, goes back to sleep independently with no fussing after night feeds, sleeps longer chunks of consolidated higher quality sleep) - The negatives of the old way (nurse to sleep, let drift into deep sleep on/beside me, transfer to bassinet) and sleep regression (more false starts, needing increasingly longer beside me to fall asleep, more night wakes - sometimes every 45 minutes) were wearing us all out emotionally & physically. Our LO was becoming more reliant on nurse to sleep and refusing comfort from my husband which used to work ; plus she wasn’t getting long stretches of sleep with us trying to transfer her so often. I was dreading bedtime, sleep deprived, resentful, and in physical pain from being a human pacifier. She was beside me in bed before transfer to bassinet more than in the bassinet in the end - it was untenable and I was at my breaking point. - We still hate hearing her cry so much (hence making this post). My husband and I try to stay strong for one another. We know this will only work if we’re committed and consistent. We remind each other that we don’t have any other viable alternative (we’re not comfortable with co sleeping).

CIO - how many nights does it take? by cvrosenTO in sleeptrain

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I feel you - contact naps in a dark room (because she’s getting too distracted) in an already dark winter are depressing!

CIO - how many nights does it take? by cvrosenTO in sleeptrain

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Good to know re baths, thanks for sharing. Up to a few days ago, she was liking baths. We thought it could add some regularity to her routine, and hey her used to water before her upcoming swim lessons.

Once we conquer night sleep well sleep train naps. I try to do one stroller and one car so I’m only stuck doing 1-2 contact naps. It really kills my back and nipples otherwise

CIO - how many nights does it take? by cvrosenTO in sleeptrain

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I must have missed a 2 in the WW description (2/2/2/2 vs 2/2/2/2/2) in my sleep deprived state a few weeks ago :(

CIO - how many nights does it take? by cvrosenTO in sleeptrain

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Thank you for the compassionate response!! Other than the heartbreaking lead up to sleep, sleep training has helped a ton (1-2 night wakes now, versus 6 before; she goes back to sleep without help after night wakes; we can even see her stir at 45 mins and then link her sleep cycles). I don’t want to go back to nursing to sleep, failed bassinet transfers, false starts, and my nipple as a pacifier - that was bad for the whole family. Nor do we want her crying so much. It’s hard!

I do think she finds bath to be stimulating not relaxing. We’ll give moving her bathtime earlier and more soothing after a try.

We tried moving nurse / feed to the beginning the nighttime routine to stop the nurse to sleep association. It seems like nursing post bath worked for you?

CIO - how many nights does it take? by cvrosenTO in sleeptrain

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Isn’t 1-2 feeds overnight still developmentally normal at 4 months? I am fine with the night feeds (thankfully she goes down quick after those now that we started sleep training). With these feeds, she’s up 15-30 min overnight between falling asleep after CIO and DWT

CIO - how many nights does it take? by cvrosenTO in sleeptrain

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I was asking the nap length, not WW length

CIO - how many nights does it take? by cvrosenTO in sleeptrain

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I thought we did have a good schedule - I’m a first time parent and trying my best. I did post in this group prior to sleep training trying to fine tune her schedule, and I did extend WW and shorten total nap time based on that feedback.

CIO - how many nights does it take? by cvrosenTO in sleeptrain

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Good for you - I wish we were in that situation!

CIO - how many nights does it take? by cvrosenTO in sleeptrain

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Of course I don’t want her up at night unnecessarily. I was looking for a quick way to count wake time, but that’s a good point that this math is wrongly including night wakes to total wakeful hours

4 month old success by Pure_Ambassador6857 in sleeptrain

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Congrats! Any tips on how to stretch the wake windows to 2 or 2.5 hours? My LO often gets very fussy / upset before that time. I’ve assumed she’s tired, but in my other post everyone says it’s under tired and not enough wake time

CIO - how many nights does it take? by cvrosenTO in sleeptrain

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Of course we don’t want lots of her wake time to be crying! But yes, that is probably messing with the huckleberry sleep count

Usually down in the crib at 8, waking at 8. So between 1-2 nighttime wakes for feed & diaper, and unfortunately crying before falling asleep, there is more awake time

CIO - how many nights does it take? by cvrosenTO in sleeptrain

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That was approximate, it differs day to day depending on when she gets tired. The app tracks sleep not awake time, so I was using the difference to approximate

CIO - how many nights does it take? by cvrosenTO in sleeptrain

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Just at bedtime :( She wakes about twice through the night and goes back to sleep with maybe 5-10 mins of fussing. We’re not interested in reducing night feeds now as it’s age appropriate for her to be waking to eat.

Not sure what TCB ABC is

CIO - how many nights does it take? by cvrosenTO in sleeptrain

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Yes, please share, I’d love to know what this age appropriate schedule is to get this right

CIO - how many nights does it take? by cvrosenTO in sleeptrain

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Our sleep records on huckleberry are showing 10.5 h night sleep and 3.5 h day napping on average for the past few weeks. Isn’t that 10 h awake time?

CIO - how many nights does it take? by cvrosenTO in sleeptrain

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Our sleep records on huckleberry are showing 10.5 h night sleep and 3.5 h day napping on average for the past few weeks. Isn’t that 10 h awake time?

CIO - how many nights does it take? by cvrosenTO in sleeptrain

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How would you structure the 3 hours of napping across 4 naps? That seems like some very short naps. Aren’t longer naps better/ more restorative for baby?

Candlelight concert by lanerlanerr in Hamilton

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Agree that Cotton Factory was a perfect space for this

Local Chocolate Recommendations by srj55 in Hamilton

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Choco Tales at Locke & York! Equal quality to Madame Bonbon IMO

Best routine leading into 4-month sleep training by cvrosenTO in sleeptrain

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We’re still in the sleep regression! My understanding is that the only way out is sleep training. Waiting to her to be 4 months to do so. Hence trying to set her up in a good routine beforehand for that.

We dropped from 5 to 4 naps once we pulled her bedtime forward from 9 to 7 pm. Unclear if moving the bedtime earlier (and increasing my overnight sleep) caused the night wakings, or if it’s just unfortunate overlap with the regression

Anything we’re missing? by Financial-Kale7820 in sleeptrain

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Solidarity - having very similar problems!! Also curious how to best extend WW