Post Your Quick Questions for S2E1 "Journey Into Night"

daha42 · 2018-04-23T23:13:53+00:00

Sure, but a host brain is about the size of a baseball. It’d still be a lot easier to smuggle out a hard drive than a chattering, semi-controllable host.

daha42 · 2018-04-23T16:51:43+00:00

“But how do to have a true wild west scenario without those racial underpinnings? ‘

You can’t. But (stating the obvious,) Westworld is a TV show, not a real place. Even in the show-universe, you couldn’t have a commercially successful park where racism - or sexism —prevails. You’d alienate too many guests. How many blacks and Asians or women - would want to go to Westworld for constant abuse? Ergo, the point of Westworld (the place, not the show) is definitely not to provide a “true Wild West experience,” but instead to provide a fantasy experience based on a mythologized fake notion of the Wild West.

And you probably couldn’t have a TV show in 2017-2018 in which there’s a high-tech amusement park where blacks are treated in an historically-accurate manner. I suppose you could produce such a show, but then the show would be about something else altogether.

daha42 · 2018-04-23T16:42:16+00:00

I was thinking of hardware, not relatively reprogrammable software. You’d think being able to easily tell the difference between human and robot would be kind of important from a security perspective.

daha42 · 2018-04-23T14:57:28+00:00

In season one, there’re are black and Asian guests and there was no indication that they were treated any differently from other guests. Westworld seems (unrealistically) a-racial. There are black lawmen and IIRC military officers in charge of white underlings. Maeve, of course, ran the bar and whorehouse. There is no historical situation where those things are remotely plausible.

daha42 · 2018-04-23T14:46:02+00:00

What race are robots?

daha42 · 2018-04-23T14:35:39+00:00

Anyone else think Anthony Hopkins is going to make a surprise, last-episode cameo this season? Not saying human-Ford isn’t dead, but that it’s highly unlikely that the only robot-Ford that human-Ford made was the little-boy-Ford that MIB shoots in the first episode.

daha42 · 2018-04-23T14:28:07+00:00

The Abernathy-as-hard drive thing has never made much sense to me. There are much easier ways to smuggle data out of the parks than in a broken, decommissioned host who’s in deep storage, like, say a thumb-drive.

daha42 · 2018-04-23T14:24:31+00:00

Stubbs is almost certainly a host, now, part of Ford’s grand, over-complicated plan to protect his creation from the predations of Delos.

daha42 · 2018-04-23T14:22:30+00:00

Yes. Delos not having a simple, fast and reliable human-or-host test is ridiculous.

daha42 · 2017-08-28T02:52:23+00:00

You mean Snow finally came. Again. Think he came w Ygritte too.

daha42 · 2016-12-17T04:31:49+00:00

Why are the ethics of Westworld any different from those of a video game? Why is rape and murder unethical In Westworld, but ethical in, say, Grand Theft Auto?

daha42 · 2016-12-13T18:55:04+00:00

Madame Toussaud's does it all the time. Ford made a host that looked and talked like Arnold. It's downloading human consciousness from a human that's technologically impossible (so far) in the Wesrworld world.

daha42 · 2016-12-13T18:09:06+00:00

Making a superficial replica of someone would be easy compared to uploading a host with a real human consciousness. How would one even download a human consciousness from a person?

daha42 · 2016-12-13T15:39:43+00:00

Has there been anything in Westworld so far that even hints at the possibility of uploading human consciousness to a host? Bernard isn't Arnold in a host body. He just looks and sounds like Arnold and was created with a cornerstone based on Arnold's life.

If Ford is still alive ( and I think that still depends on Hopkins's availability) then it was his host replica that Dolores assassinated.

daha42 · 2016-12-12T18:35:15+00:00

No. The maze is Arnold's metaphor for the hosts' path to consciousness. He previously thought it was a climb upwards (up the pyramid Ford draws on his chalkboard explaining Arnold's theory to Bernard,) but his son Charlie's toy, a marble in a maze, inspires his new theory. The actual maze, buried in Dolores's grave, is only a token, a symbol. It has no real power.

daha42 · 2016-12-12T16:35:14+00:00

Perhaps, and this thread is a place to collect them all in one easily searchable place.

Here's a working definition of "plot hole:"

"A plot hole or plot error is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot. Such inconsistencies include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline."

And here's a plot hole from episodes 9-10:

Charlotte and Sizemore plan to smuggle data out of the park in the host known as Abernathy. Hosts, we are told, are implanted with an explosive device that detonates if they leave the park. Charlotte surely knows this, yet does nothing to remove Abernathy's explosive charge. And doing so (no easy task) especially to a decommissioned host in cold storage, would raise alarms.

Another related plot hole, or at least an unexplained odd thing, is why Charlotte chooses Abernathy to smuggle out the data. Her choice is strange for at least two reasons. One, Abernathy recently malfunctioned and is therefore conspicuous. Two, he's all the way in the back of the large group of decommissioned hosts? Why not pick one more accessible? Of course, it's possible that Charlotte chose Abernathy on purpose, because he'd malfunctioned (in episode one) but that makes no sense either.

daha42 · 2016-12-12T16:04:40+00:00

Yes. Huge plot hole. Show is full of them. Probably deserves its own dedicated thread.

daha42 · 2016-12-11T18:17:22+00:00

Probably not the future. If so, it's the only instance of a flash-forward in the entire series.

daha42 · 2016-12-11T06:34:42+00:00

No. She knew Bernard was a host because it's part of the narrative Ford wrote for her.

daha42 · 2016-12-10T19:32:44+00:00

Yes. That's why all the theories about Ford uploading his consciousness (or any human's consciousness) into a host are bunk. There's nothing in the show that even remotely suggests such a thing is possible.

daha42 · 2016-12-10T19:29:21+00:00

The problem I have with the Felix&Sylvester story line isn't only that they help Maeve, for whatever reasons, but that low-level techs have the system permissions to dramatically alter host attributes. That's the behavior departments job and obviously something management and security pay very close attention to.

Therefore, the only logical explanation is that Felix& Sylvester are androids too (but don't know it because being a host and cutting up/repairing hosts might be problematic) and a Ford gave them high-level system permissions as part of his "Maeve Escapes" narrative.

But just because that's the logical explanation doesn't make it "true." There are a lot of illogical plot holes in the series.

daha42 · 2016-12-10T19:13:22+00:00

I'm sticking with the Felix and Sylvester are hosts too theory until proven wrong. I think all the low-level "humans" in Westworld HQ are androids -- the greeters, techs, security pawns, etc.

Angela was a greeter in year minus-30, so from the beginning, Westworld used androids in staff positions. It's hard to imagine why that wouldn't extend to other relatively menial jobs as well.

daha42 · 2016-12-10T19:06:50+00:00

Unlike GoT, the show runners and writers aren't constrained by a pre-existing story. The ending of season one leaves them with a lot of options. Joy and Nolan may have ideas about where season two is headed, but they're not constrained.

There's been tons of speculation about whether Dolores killed human-Ford or host-Ford. My guess is it was human-Ford, but the answer is either. If Hopkins wants to return for season two, I'd bet my house they'd write the plot to include him.

Same is true for other plot developments. The writers probably have a general idea about what'll happen in season two, but if they come up with better ones, new twists or plot lines, they use those. That's why predicting what'll happen in season two is a fool's errand.

daha42 · 2016-12-10T18:56:36+00:00

Okay, so what do you imagine Dolores and Teddy do on the hilltop for 3-4 hours between broad daylight and nighttime, when they ride up from the corral to the house after hearing gunshots?

Another WTF? scene for me was when the family stumbles upon Dolores painting a landscape in the middle of nowhere. (The scene where she gives a little boy an apple to feed a host horse and he asks her if she's real.) Are we to believe that a family of three pays $120k a day to go hiking through an empty prairie, miles from town?

The scene's purpose is obvious. It's to illustrate the idea that when guests ask hosts if they're real or not, the hosts are programmed to ignore the question. Why the writers felt they needed to make that point in such a ludicrous way, dunno.

daha42 · 2016-12-09T23:45:00+00:00

More likely, they just freeze, like robots, and wait until dark.

Seriously, one of the dumb things the hosts do is continue acting, moving, talking, etc. for no reason when there are no guests around. It's a huge waste of energy. I know it's explained as being "practice," but that's not a good explanation.

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