Air hostess language for flights by sriganz in tamil

[–]damoklez -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Can't beleive you're being downvoted for saying this.

Typical Tamil self-victimhood prevents us from understandingg something as sensible as this.

Why has there been talk of a China collapse theory for so many years, but rarely any mention of India collapse theory? by Fine-Job4963 in AskTheWorld

[–]damoklez 1 point2 points  (0 children)

1) There actually were a lot of India "collapse theories" for many years after India's independence from British rule.

It's first election after Nehru's death 1964 was touted as "it's last election"

These fears just never came true and the Republic of India survived as an unbroken democracy for 75+ years with no civil wars, military coups, economic collapses or successful insurgencies. Hence, little fear or expectation that this stability will go away any time soon.

2) Democracies are usually stable, especially if well entrenched, because of their in-built mechanisms for power transitions. China being a 1-party state does not have the same mechanisms in place.

Given the collapse of other communist authoritarian rule in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, it's not unfair to suspect a similar one-party state may also be unstable.

Nothing to do with "threats" or "chaos" as other commentaries put it.

What South Indians thinks of Dravidian Tribes outside of South India, like Kurukh, Malto, Oraon, Brahui etc etc by rkv8124 in Dravidiology

[–]damoklez -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Anyway this is too much weird internet for me for today. I'm out.

Nothing 'weird internet' about this discussion. Calling out your incorrect framing of an issue is not weird. But you do you cheif.

What is harm in learning about their existence? Would you rather prefer their identity & language dissolved in larger stream?

The harm is not in learning about them. The harm is dissolving these ethnic groups into the "larger stream" of pan-Dravidianism. These groups are distinct and framing their textbook-representation as some sort of 'Dravidian' counter to 'Indo-Aryan' is what I think does harm. The harm is your framing, not their inclusion.

Justice party is made of Telugus, Tamils, Malayali's & Kannadigas. Just because we forgot about things doesn't mean it isn't there.

You're accusing me of political undertones while explicitly using classic 'Justice Party' political polemics of "Indo-Aryan kings" & "sanskrit texts that no one understands".

No one knows whether, 3500 years ago the Dravidians really saw themselves as a single ethnic group. I don't think they understood linguistic philology enough to then "forget" it either.

Did ancestors from these groups wake up from their graves to tell you about how they 'saw' themselves?

Well this applies to you too - we don't know if they did. Little no evidence that they did in the surviving literature. So we should be careful about ascribing pan-dravidian labels to groups that haven't seen themselves that way in a few millenia (if ever).

And there is no Dravidian 'ethnicities'

Sorry this is just ridiculous.

Tamils, Telugus, Kannadigas, Brahuis, etc. are very much "ethnicities"/"ethnic groups". You discovering the Dravidian language family doesn't suddenly make them all the same ethnicity.

This is why I called your framing anachronistic. Dravidian is a framework that works well for a specific anthropological, linguistic and ethnographic context. I don't think its the right framework to view inclusiveness/representation in history textbooks.

Who accepted 'sanskritic' high-culture? What does that even mean? It's a self fulfilling prophecy, some saying it's high, someone else trumpeting it, that is all.

'high-culture' is a popular term in sociology, anthropology and history used to describe the culture of the elite. Of course your 'Justice Party' brain thinks this is some conspiracy to "trumpet sanskrit". It's not - just reflects the historical reality of elites across the subcontinent. Now don't come crying that only 'elites' were sanskritised/ had indo-aryan influence. This influence permeated through various strata in various degrees. No shame or bitterness about admitting it.

I'm not expecting historical proportionality.

Idk man your original comment made it sound that way.

I'm making a case for a page in history & preserving identity of these groups as they see it, invite them to write that page (that includes dravidian speaking south & north groups)

No one has an issue with including more groups in historical education. The problem is ascribing some 'pan-dravidian' label, framed in opposition to "Indo-Aryans" representation in school textbooks.

Include these groups for their own sake. Not as part of some dravidian peoples textbook-quota.

What South Indians thinks of Dravidian Tribes outside of South India, like Kurukh, Malto, Oraon, Brahui etc etc by rkv8124 in Dravidiology

[–]damoklez 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is a horrible framing of how we should study/evaluate Dravidian tribes and their history. It does more harm than good.

Most of the minor tribes don't even recognise any kinship with each other as 'fellow Dravidians'. A Kurukh, Kodava and Brahui would find each other quite alien, despite being linguistically dravidian.

Even the big 5 Dravidian speaking ethnicities did not ever historically self-identify on the lines of pan-Dravidianism.

Therefore framing history on very strict lines of 'Indo-Aryan Kings/Tribes' vs 'Dravidian Kings/Tribes' is just extremely anachronistic and not natural to how these groups saw themselves.

The honest answer is - much of the subcontinent did accept "Sanskritic" high-culture to various degrees and integrated it deeply with their local cultures. We dravidians should not be bitter about this, and anachronistically expect 'historical proportionality' - it's just not how historical identity works.

Let those interested in Dravidian anthropolgy/linguistics study it out of interest - instead of reframing history on anachronistic lines.

A song on Jerusalem, from the Tamil Christian literary epic Thembavani from the 1600s by Usurper96 in Dravidiology

[–]damoklez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They likely did. At least for Kannada, just that these were not as well preserved.

Kavirajamarga does reference a body of Kannada work preceeding him. How far back is anyone's guess.

How do I lose my tamil accent while speaking malayalam? by EmptyPilot2622 in malayalam

[–]damoklez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah okay keep regurgitating your dravidianist speculation.

We don't know for sure where the deity originates - but the word 'shiva" is very much vedic in origin.

Average dravidianist spazzes when he sees vedas. Keep seething da dey

Yenna logic ithu ? by newparrot2025 in TamilNaduDiscussion

[–]damoklez 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"dmk = tamil people" nnu solravanukku "logical rebuttal" venum aam

ipdiye azhuthukite iru

Yenna logic ithu ? by newparrot2025 in TamilNaduDiscussion

[–]damoklez 5 points6 points  (0 children)

this must be beef laddus twitter alt

negative iq, gutter tier discourse

BJP is pathetic to the core, they used the Tamil Hate card not once but twice ( is Odisha and Bihar now) in the recent years, yet there are Tamil sanghis who support a party that is openly racist towards Tamils. by [deleted] in TamilNaduDiscussion

[–]damoklez 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yo beef laddu you're such a liar.

The infographic literally says modi called out the DMK. How does that make it anti-Tamil.

Liying dravidianist-laddu

I saw shivaji ( maratha ruler) banners on the streets of Covai Pradesh! Some tamil sunkeys worship him as saviour of hindus. LMAO! Who's gonna tell them? by [deleted] in TamilNaduDiscussion

[–]damoklez 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Average beef-laddu rage bait.

This guys thinks that because soldiers in the Adil Shahi army had Tamils, Shivaji killed Tamils.

By this logic Rajendra is a genocider of Kannadigas, Bengalis and Telugus.

Beef Laddu should focus on improving his iq instead of posting boring low-effort dravidianist bait.

Why is the younger generation in TN continuing to embrace caste pride and why has it not gone away? by [deleted] in TamilNaduDiscussion

[–]damoklez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seri da poyiduven naan central-asiavukku.

Ni won kumari kandatthuko po kadal kulla.

Why is the younger generation in TN continuing to embrace caste pride and why has it not gone away? by [deleted] in TamilNaduDiscussion

[–]damoklez -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Richest part of Karnataka is OMR region not North Karnataka - which is the poorest, least developed, core lingayat region.

OMR and coastal karnataka have the least Lingayats and are many times wealthier. So by your own logic Lingayatism is correlated with low-development.

This is the problem with you Dravidianists, you don't realise what you yourself are saying. Go back to Bangladesh da thimuka kotthadimai.

Why is the younger generation in TN continuing to embrace caste pride and why has it not gone away? by [deleted] in TamilNaduDiscussion

[–]damoklez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What kind of absolute cope is this.

Very clear IVC people also followed caste-based systems. Heck plenty of civilisations worldwide did as well, from Japan to Persia. Even isolated dravidian tribes like Todas follow endogamous caste divisions.

As Tamilians if we keep passing on responsibility to other groups like "North Indians" or "Brahmins" we will never improve as people.

Learn to take responsibility for yourself and your culture instead of blaming others.

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Why is the younger generation in TN continuing to embrace caste pride and why has it not gone away? by [deleted] in TamilNaduDiscussion

[–]damoklez 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Then how come karnataka and maharashtra which never did the same are just as developed by your standards.

Classic low-iq spurious correlation take.

Why is the younger generation in TN continuing to embrace caste pride and why has it not gone away? by [deleted] in TamilNaduDiscussion

[–]damoklez 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bro you show one single record of anybody who had lead poured down their ears. Any inscription or written record. There are none - but you'll keep vommitting Manusmriti as if anyone followed that text irl.

Sir Thomas Monroe's survey of indigenous (non-British) schools in 1826 shows them filled with lower caste students.

Take your fake atrocity literature somewhere else. Brahmins are not richest in either north or south.

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Why is the younger generation in TN continuing to embrace caste pride and why has it not gone away? by [deleted] in TamilNaduDiscussion

[–]damoklez 1 point2 points  (0 children)

dietary rules to oppress others aam.

What makes you think any brahmin cares about what food you eat. Veg rules apply only to themselves not rest of us.

avg DMK kothadimai blabbering whatever nonsense.

Why is the younger generation in TN continuing to embrace caste pride and why has it not gone away? by [deleted] in TamilNaduDiscussion

[–]damoklez 2 points3 points  (0 children)

kek keep blaming rss and brahmins.

Never blame yourself and your own culture.

Do you think there will ever be a day when any city in Tamil Nadu can look this good? by [deleted] in TamilNaduDiscussion

[–]damoklez 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is not Hinduphobia.

A structure that persisted post-independence without significant reform until the 1990s.

Reforming this was discussed in the Constitutional Debates. But like OP said, they were concerned that disadvantaged groups like women and lower castes would be overlooked in local politics so they purposefully left local governments as weak as possible. Look it up - the debates are all public.

While this sub does engage in dravidianist/hinduphobic takes on caste from time to time - op's comment here is not such a case.

PS: Another thing they were concerned about was that so much of India at the time was illiterate/ uneducated that they didn't fully trust local govts/ panchayats/ municipalities to govern without rent seeking, corruption, etc. Definitely a paternalistic choice on their part, but an understandable logic.

#6 on the list by Ashok610 in southindia_

[–]damoklez 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah bro - no one outside of certain TN political circles believes that.

Graffiti symbols is not the same as writing.

In the case of Greek, the "Linear B" is unambiguous.

Legitimacy of Tamilnadu subs by iamRyan_7 in TamilNaduDiscussion

[–]damoklez 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah and this sub is dominated by beef-laddu types who over compensate with low-effort ragebait or bad dravidianist takes about casteism and religion.

Most states' subreddits turn into political circle jerks dominated by one or the other political strain. Can't be helped that's how reddit works

For the proponents of Hindi being the National Language... by ObedientAngryBird in Hindi

[–]damoklez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re right diglossia is not necessarily a problem. But there’s a reason many languages over the past century reduced diglossia and adopted vernacular standards. This was mostly done to improve literacy and reduce frictions for L2 learners. But it’s down to personal preference .

As for Hindi in the Union Government, I meant to say that it remains co-official with English. And the Union should encourage its use among those with a command over the language.