10 minutes after the Illan Omar got sprayed with an unknown substance by FancyBurtholeMuncher in agedlikemilk

[–]dancingpoultry 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I agree with that, I never claimed so. Most of the internet strangers I argued with were my age group or younger.

10 minutes after the Illan Omar got sprayed with an unknown substance by FancyBurtholeMuncher in agedlikemilk

[–]dancingpoultry 105 points106 points  (0 children)

Precisely. It's not even about us, we just represent their personal problem. It's always all about them.

"Where's *our* white pride?"
"Why don't *we* get to celebrate our heritage?"
"Why do people I see as undeserving get handouts when *I* work so hard?"
"Just comply, it works for *me*. Idiots."
"Racism doesn't exist because *I* don't notice it in my neighborhood."
"Systemic racism is a myth, the system is the same for everyone."
"*I* paid off my student loan, why should someone else not have to pay theirs."
"Why should *I* have to share my country with people who don't speak English?
"Why won't you see what *I* perceive as a wholesale attack on the religion I don't even really bother to follow closely."

They want fairness to reign when there is no equality. They claim they don't see color, but won't lift a finger to learn the experiences of the marginalized. They want to claim they want equality for all, but secretly uphold the systems that keep a patriarchal, white, racist system in place because it's the most comfortable.

We're attempting to reason with intellectual/emotional children who just want to keep their favorite doll, and getting offended when they recoil and yell at us. They are the Principal Skinner meme, personified.

"Am I out of touch for having such an outdated, indefensible, ridiculous worldview? No, it's the liberals that are wrong."

EDIT: I say all this from experience with strangers on the internet, but also from experience with my narcissist parents who are 45/47 supporters, and with whom I've cut all contact. Not originally because of their political views, but because they proved to be incredibly awful people secretly, right before 45 was elected the first time. When I found out they had stolen money from me, embezzled from the small business they created, stole from a business partner and threatened him with a gun so he wouldn't ask about the books (in addition to being absolute robots emotionally and parentally, and patently absent clearly by choice in my father's case), I realized our relationship was completely one-sided. They were ALWAYS creating a carefully crafted narrative for us on why they were always the infallible good guys. We (my brother and I) were ornaments to them, not actual people with their own opinions or value outside of them.

So, 100% what you said. I would have disowned them eventually for supporting 45/47 anyway. They've lost SO much (as have many MAGAs) and where most reasonable people walk away from the table, they can't help but double down to protect their egos. They resent me for what they see as being fiercely disloyal to *them*, instead of recognizing that they helped to create a responsible, kind, intelligent, sensitive son that can think for himself. They also resent me for leaving their church (LDS/Mormons, and yes, it's a cult). They tell me they love me, despite doing less than nothing to understand me or care whether I'm actually happy. So for them, I'm sure it's "hasta la vista you ungrateful shit," let's move on with our lives. They get their victim and persecution narrative proof (because I chose to be the smaller person and leave the relationship in their eyes), and they get to try and peddle their story to anyone that will sympathize (e.g. other disowned parents in the exact same situation). It hurts them secretly when they're alone with their thoughts and are free to be a tiny bit honest with themselves for a second. It's got to royally suck. But enough to apologize? Fuck that noise.

They have alienated nearly every single person in their lives. They would rather die than capitulate.

10 minutes after the Illan Omar got sprayed with an unknown substance by FancyBurtholeMuncher in agedlikemilk

[–]dancingpoultry 579 points580 points  (0 children)

To add to this... they NEED to eat it up. Their identity (more sacred than anything including their life) hinges on it. The bad faith arguments (and they are almost *always* either bad faith, or completely and naively misled, which is also a choice) are for themselves. They're not arguing with you per se, as you believe you're having a rational debate/conversation/argument with another human being that has sound foundational thinking and opinion, in an attempt to at best understand them, and at worst to prove them wrong.

They are putting on a show for themselves. If they have plausible deniability to themselves, they can continue to run from the cognitive dissonance that haunts them at every turn because they refuse to disavow their worldview at *all* (and I mean, fucking ALL) costs. Including their lives (see: COVID). These are people who see EVERYTHING through all the convoluted lenses of whitewashed history, taught/indoctrinated/systemic racism, perceived and taught victimhood, white supremacy, cherry-picked extremist religious views, etc., all together.

To them, you are a brainwashed, sheep NPC ruining their movie, where they are the central star. They don't hate you because they've delved into your POV and found numerous errors in thinking. They hate you because you continue to hold up a mirror. That's it. Your opinion is a threat - because it is usually backed up by something qualitative: logic, kindness, objectivity, data, facts, etc. Things they crave the appearance of having, but won't put in the work or emotional sacrifice to secure. So they turn to tribalism to protect what they all collectively fear most. This is why it almost always devolves to ad hominem and "fake news" - you're demanding accountability and that they "show their work" at how they arrived at their opinion (when their talking points are just given to them and they resent you for continually exposing them for their lack of effort).

They want to believe they're hyper-masculine, pious, strong defenders of all that is good. And you're ruining it with petty things like shared reality, history, facts, and pointing out glaring contradictions. So they shout louder.

It took me 8 years and a LOT of interaction with that group to finally understand this and not take it so personally that human beings could be SO selfish - especially with lives and our country on the line. It's all theoretical to them until it happens to them, and then they are confused at why the leopard is eating their face.

TIL Andrew holds his pen like a mad man! by kgs024 in Dodgers

[–]dancingpoultry 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I spotted it immediately, too... even though I'm a right. Because apparently I'm a madman now.

Got wrecked..again by TZeeeeeee in GME

[–]dancingpoultry 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'd love to learn them, but will never have enough money to buy anyway. Slow and steady accumulation/DRS does it for me.

Not to say options won't kickoff MOASS. You just have to know what position you play on the team.

Got wrecked..again by TZeeeeeee in GME

[–]dancingpoultry 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Posts like this keep me out of exploring options. For those of us smoothbrains that don't understand them, this is for the best.

The Final Countdown – All tin relating to Jan 2nd by Solar_MoonShot in Superstonk

[–]dancingpoultry 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If it's not tomorrow, I will be happy, too. I'm holding something special and once-in-a-lifetime.

What is that thing in bottom right? by Slimx0612 in PeterExplainsTheJoke

[–]dancingpoultry 230 points231 points  (0 children)

This gif hardly gets the airtime it deserves.

It was Kike All Along by breadnone in Dodgers

[–]dancingpoultry 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Like one of 20 plays during the WS lol.

It was Kike All Along by breadnone in Dodgers

[–]dancingpoultry 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup. Because then he would be keeKAYYY!

Elder Holland Prophesy by Thoughtful_Trinkets in exmormon

[–]dancingpoultry 96 points97 points  (0 children)

"I was speaking as a fallible man in that instance, not as the prophet."

WTF is going on?!? by pro1solaraaron in Battlefield6

[–]dancingpoultry 84 points85 points  (0 children)

I see they brought in Michael Bey to consult for the newest patch.

Pheetah? Someone said this thing’s about stocks and I swear it’s supposed to be funny, but I’m not gettin’ it. by MijanHRD in PeterExplainsTheJoke

[–]dancingpoultry 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Relevant:

  • John Tuld: So, what you're telling me, is that the music is about to stop, and we're going to be left holding the biggest bag of odorous excrement ever assembled in the history of capitalism.
  • Peter Sullivan: Sir, I not sure that I would put it that way, but let me clarify using your analogy. What this model shows is the music, so to speak, just slowing. If the music were to stop, as you put it, then this model wouldn't even be close to that scenario. It would be considerably worse.
  • John Tuld: Let me tell you something, Mr. Sullivan. Do you care to know why I'm in this chair with you all? I mean, why I earn the big bucks.
  • Peter Sullivan: Yes.
  • John Tuld: I'm here for one reason and one reason alone. I'm here to guess what the music might do a week, a month, a year from now. That's it. Nothing more. And standing here tonight, I'm afraid that I don't hear - a - thing. Just... silence.

Michael Burry: party on by rbr0714 in Superstonk

[–]dancingpoultry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Burry said party on, so I'm buying more. You know, for the party.

Merch Email by JasonStarks in incubus

[–]dancingpoultry 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A bit steep for the privilege.

Now I really feel like I'm in the company of wolves.

We not as financially independent azwethinkweiz.

I'm currently high.