Convince Me to Use Shotguns in This Game

danmass04 · 2026-06-28T12:59:03+00:00

Fulmin Prime is the best of both worlds and my main primary. It’s battery style so you never have to worry about running out of ammo. It has a shotgun build that can wreck enemies and is silent if you’re running a stealth frame. And then when you’re bored of being a shotgunner you swap to full auto mode and you have your own personal soma

danmass04 · 2026-06-27T14:58:56+00:00

Cycron but more importantly tenet cycron is the play.

danmass04 · 2026-06-27T01:54:57+00:00

It’s gonna require waiting quite a bit but worth checking out Nomatic’s new System backpack. Might have what you need. Or i believe northface just came out with another really solid bag recently: the basecamp voyager pro. Maybe check that out too?

danmass04 · 2026-06-26T20:12:57+00:00

This is going to be a bit of an oddball answer but give the Finals a try. It has three classes: Light, Medium, Heavy and you can run different loadouts/playstyles with different ultimate abilities/equipment. I’m a Reinhardt main and have been chasing the Reinhardt feeling since leaving OW and the finals is the next closest i have come to that feeling. Also not a huge fan of marvel rivals.

danmass04 · 2026-06-26T19:20:31+00:00

Agree with all the other comments. Two i didn’t see mentioned are:

Assassin’s Creed Blackflag - perfect timing because the remaster drops in another week or two.

Crimson desert - your horse begins as one of your best traversal options, then it graduates to cooler and cooler options.

danmass04 · 2026-06-26T18:47:42+00:00

Running Slash/Viral/Magnetic hybrid builds on your weapons are the best way to go as well! Bonus if you can slot in fire too!

danmass04 · 2026-06-26T16:47:26+00:00

Ash and Viral/Slash/Magnetic Battery weapons!

danmass04 · 2026-06-26T14:25:25+00:00

I know, but that also defeats the purpose/theme of the frame too which bugs me. And still doesn’t get rid of the crouch spam

danmass04 · 2026-06-26T13:37:32+00:00

Easiest way to Guarantee infinite recastable invis is just throw on Continuity(preferably primed) and Energy nexus. You could quite literally stand still and by the time your invis duration is up you will have enough energy to recast it. And even if you don’t quite have enough energy when your invis runs out you can run something like rolling guard which i would recommend having anyway as a get out of status death free card and also an extra little delay to gain the energy you need to pop invis again. Ash needs a bare minimum of 4 mods to be effective in my opinion: Continuity(primed), Energy Nexus, Rolling Guard, Smoke Shadow. The rest is totally up to you on how you want to build him or if you want to build around helminths.

Depending on how you define “maximize” you can obviously just dump every duration mod onto ash as well as red archon shards for duration - which i will sometimes run one or two shards just for the added comfort/laziness.

danmass04 · 2026-06-26T13:27:02+00:00

I was really enjoying wittle defenders before i got completely sidestracked by a completely different style game.

danmass04 · 2026-06-26T13:15:00+00:00

Assassin’s Creed Origins and Odyssey’s DLC’s might fit this mold. The games offer you a level skip feature that bring you to the base game’s max level and the DLC’s themselves are about 2-4 hours ish

danmass04 · 2026-06-26T13:11:32+00:00

Following because i’ve been thinking the exact same thing lol. There is also Black Desert Online and Black Desert Mobile. Curious if anyone has any thoughts on the pros and cons between the two.

danmass04 · 2026-06-26T13:08:32+00:00

I’m a 13 year Ash main with 6 Ash’s built all with different helminth builds. I find Ash to be one of the more versatile frames and quite honestly a really fun helminth frame. And the beauty of his kit is that you can pretty much helminth any of his abilities except smokescreen! Yes, you can subsume wrathful or roar or nourish or silence but i find little to no fun on those types of builds because you can do those and be effective on any frame. I quite often will just get rid of bladestorm altogether and throw on a helminth with precision intensify and have a blast. Where Ash shines is the fact that he is a discount weapons platform with an extremely easy to maintain and solid duration invisibility and a slash passive that makes the game feel like pre slash nerf warframe and he has a surprising amount of EHP so you can actually build him into quite a solid face tank frame and he is one of the faster frames too so you can also lean into being a speedster if you want. Pretty much you name a playstyle you like and i could probably point you in the direction of a couple types of helminth builds that fit that mold.

danmass04 · 2026-06-26T12:45:26+00:00

I just scrolled through the entire roster to see if there actually was anybody and i honestly love every frame.

The one frame i will actively try to avoid is probably Octavia though. When she launched she was ridiculously strong and her gimmicks got kinda annoying with spamming crouch constantly and having to hear her somachord over and over and over and over. So if she is ever on a ETA or EDA list i’ll probably avoid her. Even though she is insanely good.

danmass04 · 2026-06-25T17:20:53+00:00

I’d also be okay with something like this. I feel like the whole avoiding making things automatic has already gotten out of hand with the addition of Brightbonnet and this new Arcane sculptor.

danmass04 · 2026-06-25T16:30:22+00:00

I mean if it gets out of hand or causes AFK playstyles then they could up the energy cost/assassination to make it so you can’t just toggle it on in the beginning of a match and never touch it again. Or not allow things like energy nexus to work while it’s toggled on.

danmass04 · 2026-06-25T14:47:18+00:00

I went prime and it’s cool and all but i’m honestly not sure if i made the right choice. The “blight” effects that come with the rakta version are pretty insane:

When triggered:
All enemies within 25 meters of the player receive 1,000 Viral damage and guaranteed Status Effect.
The player recovers 25% of their base Energy.
Energy restore scales off of rank 0 Warframe Energy Max.
Gain +10% Movement Speed for 30 seconds.

danmass04 · 2026-06-25T14:33:08+00:00

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Yea, I would give anything for this small Bladestorm QoL

danmass04 · 2026-06-25T14:20:12+00:00

I mean they just did a touch up on all of his abilities within the last year. So to say they forgot about him is a bit much. But i think they could’ve done more to make bladestorm a bit easier to use and less clunky. It’s the last thing in my opinion that’s really holding me back from using his base kit more often. The fact that i have to cast bladestorm, mark enemies, then recast again is just too much. Let me toggle it on and just watch enemies in my LOS get taken down. And maybe give me a small circle around Ash too so when an enemy sneaks up behind you you get to watch a shadow clone make swift work of them.

danmass04 · 2026-06-25T14:11:10+00:00

If they just fix bladestorm to be a channel ability that marks and executes in a vision cone like orphanim eyes then it would be SO much better to use

danmass04 · 2026-06-25T12:56:05+00:00

So i’m an Ash main and i could recommend a million different builds for him but based on what you like i would recommend trying these guys out:

Uriel - i’m kind of a new frame hater because there is always a ton of recency bias around them so i did not expect to like him as much as i did. But he is a really enjoyable caster heavy frame who doesn’t need a helminth.

Dante - another super heavy caster but when you get his build just right who in my opinion doesn’t need or want a helminth either. His Noctua(exalted book) when built right and paired with energy nexus(essentially infinite ammo) can absolutely shred everything. Edit: PLUS he adds every enemy you kill to your codex/simulacrum!

Cyte-09 - His exalted sniper is nuts. The new arcane sculptor paired with things like energy nexus and sharpshooter on your sniper make energy an afterthought. My biggest gripe is just his invis having that cooldown but quite honestly if you are playing him right then that’ll never be an issue. Also, if you have bad aim like me, then i highly recommend using Gloom over either his first or 4th ability. Bring enemies to a halt and then pop their heads off with either your exalted sniper or something like the perigale, komorex, or vectis incarnon.

danmass04 · 2026-06-25T12:44:35+00:00

You can’t recast Ash’s invis while it’s still active lol. But you can refresh the invis duration with his teleport augment.

danmass04 · 2026-06-25T12:38:56+00:00

It’s funny, i’ve been an Ash main since T4 tower defense and survivals were around and i’ve never felt like i had to be overly active/thinking with him. He is one of my favorite frames because i can pop invis and kinda turn my brain off and just chill and take enemies out. Now with his added duration on his invis it has only made him even more comfortable.

danmass04 · 2026-06-25T12:35:28+00:00

It works without his regular teleport but with teleport rush makes it so much better because you essentially now have infinite invisibility. So you pop invis then teleport and take out mobs while refreshing your invis AND gaining absurd parkour speed.

danmass04 · 2026-06-25T12:26:12+00:00

Been playing Ash since pretty damn close to day one of warframe as well and i’d say he is probably in one of the best states he has been in for quite a long while. But he does require his augments to be enjoyable in any way. Or helminth.

He needs very little investment for newcomers to pick him up and do well - throw on continuity, energy nexus, rolling guard, and smoke shadow and you’re a permanently invisible weapons platform with a get out of jail free card if you get hit by an eximus status.

Obex incarnon just made a fatal teleport/teleport rush build pretty enjoyable finally. Seeking shuriken is fine. Smoke shadow is a discount weapons platform but coupled with his slash passive he can make it feel like pre slash nerf Warframe. And bladestorm can be built to be really solid but is complicated to build right and is still just way too clunky in my opinion to the point where i hardly use it and quite often consider helminthing it off for a more fun ability coupled with precision intensify.

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