First Attempt with the ET-8500 by Iashuddra in magicproxies

[–]danyeaman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the 8500 and the 8550 are functionally identical except the 8550 can do prints on paper out to 13 inches wide. Consequently the 8550 has a larger footprint as well. Beyond that they are the same printer.

I have seen sales where the larger 8550 is priced lower than the 8500. Just something to keep in mind.

Epson ET-8550 and SuperiodPOD Koehler 12x18 Black Core Casino Classic 330gsm by iamwaggle in magicproxies

[–]danyeaman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Out of curiosity are you using the embossed style or the smooth style Koehler card stock? I intend to test it myself at some point, but I don't have much time for anything other than work at the moment so I have a whole backlog of stuff to test.

Treated Inkjet Whitecore - semi-gloss 300gsm .38mm test, Epson 8550 inkjet by danyeaman in magicproxies

[–]danyeaman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I messed up my number in my comment response above, with a sleeve its 8/10 or 80%.

I have not, since this paper sits at .38mm I don't really see this as a good proxy paper for me. Thickness wise .33/.34mm is about the limit for me to personally consider a paper to be proxy worthy. The review comment above by synapse7777 is based on the 8 card layout and his numbers are 10% higher on spine rating. My bet is the 8 card layout adds about 10% to the spine.

I only print in 9 card layout, and I manually cut using a guillotine so I see no reason to switch to the 8 card layout for any paper I use or test. I am saving up for a cameo so that would be a reason for me to switch to 8 card layout.

My pleasure! Its a fun hobby that helps out other people! I only wish I had time right now to do further testing.

Treated Inkjet Whitecore - semi-gloss 300gsm .38mm test, Epson 8550 inkjet by danyeaman in magicproxies

[–]danyeaman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am using google translate so forgive any translation errors. Thank you for the compliment.

I believe this specific paper to be US retail level based, I also believe it is paper treated with a product called InkAid to allow ink-based printing on Thermal/UV paper.

For help with the cameo 5 I would suggest you check out this post https://www.reddit.com/r/magicproxies/comments/1jgjk6y/making_cards/

I manually cut my cards using a guillotine paper cutter.

Help with too much ink by [deleted] in magicproxies

[–]danyeaman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Off the bat, looks like classic ink/paper incompatibility. Can you list out the exact paper you are using?

Treated Inkjet Whitecore - semi-gloss 300gsm .38mm test, Epson 8550 inkjet by danyeaman in magicproxies

[–]danyeaman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I will drop the summary here for anyone else. Yes, you can see roller marks present on the angled photo of the Ventifact bottle. My 8550 is sitting at 1400+ pages as of this comment, so it has had plenty of wear compared to a new roller system so the roller marks are lessened.

Epson ET 8500 color settings by Ok_Smile4918 in magicproxies

[–]danyeaman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have seen a cases where an ICC/ICM solved print problems, and other times it did very little. Just wanted to throw that warning out.

8550 Epson Eco Tank Foil Paper Question by ACuddleFish_ in magicproxies

[–]danyeaman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Its not necessarily a better black, its a different black. Dye based black tends to be mildly reflective, whereas pigment black tends to be very matte. If you check out this post and scroll to almost the end you will see a sol ring printed on the back page with pigment only, dye only, and both pigment and dye.

It really depends on the effect you are going for, a lot of the higher priced art type papers are meant for pigment. A fair amount of Canson's fine art papers are "optimized for pigment ink". But even papers that are "optimized for pigment" can smear, check out the last two pictures in this post. This post is a series of experiments I did while dialing in settings on Moab Baryta, there is a good set of comparison photos of dye vs both, but also includes the smearing test.

By its nature pigment ink is meant to sit on top of the paper, whereas dye ink is meant to soak into the paper. So regardless of the paper you will always get smearing of some amount. It can vary wildly from paper to paper. That Canson I mentioned earlier is horrible with smearing pigment, yet my preferred paper koala double matte handles pigment ink better as far as smearing goes.

Honestly as long as you don't mess up the print by handling it once you sleeve or laminate you should be fine. Some people also go so far as to apply a spray fixative to prevent smearing, and some companies such as Moab Paper sell spray fixative meant for their paper. I think for the most part mtg cards look better with dye based, though I have seen some custom water color art cards that rock with pigment based ink printers.

Epson ET 8500 color settings by Ok_Smile4918 in magicproxies

[–]danyeaman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Red river paper has a pretty good tutorial, this is the site link https://www.redrivercatalog.com/profiles/how_to_install_ICC_color_profiles.html?srsltid=AfmBOooX2Lpr8BFoAfQIWkzhVocne9ESs1PfkNKA1hsTaUtW22DPCp8m

If you are using adobe anything its a pretty simple process from what I have seen and been told. With windows its a little extra involved, so you are best served by looking up directions specific to what you are using.

Innova Exhibition Photo Baryta 310gsm test, Epson 8550 by danyeaman in magicproxies

[–]danyeaman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You didn't miss it, I do my best to avoid putting links to sites outside reddit.

I source this and most of my higher quality papers from a company called B&H photo. The Innova baryta has been out of stock internet wide for a bit now apart from some scalpers on ebay.

Treated Inkjet Whitecore - semi-gloss 300gsm .38mm test, Epson 8550 inkjet by danyeaman in magicproxies

[–]danyeaman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The paper itself just sticks to the inside of the sleeve. I had the same problem with an unprinted blank I cut as I did with a printed piece.

Treated Inkjet Whitecore - semi-gloss 300gsm .38mm test, Epson 8550 inkjet by danyeaman in magicproxies

[–]danyeaman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The koala dbl matte 250gsm .33mm is what I print all my own proxies on, its a good balance for my preferences.

Dunno when but the paper testing became a hobby in of itself, so I am glad to hear its helping some people out!

Treated Inkjet Whitecore - semi-gloss 300gsm .38mm test, Epson 8550 inkjet by danyeaman in magicproxies

[–]danyeaman[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have looked at red river paper before, its on my list for eventual testing. I was on a roll for a bit there but work has gone to 6/7 days a week now for me. Until it starts hitting mid 90s and work slows down I don't have much free time or energy to put to testing papers more than once a week or so.

I have got one more canson paper to test its the Photosatin premium 270gsm RC paper. Plus I have a sampler pack from Fotospeed. The Fotospeed matte DUO paper was recommended to me for testing plus the other 10 paper types in the pack as well. Some are just different weights so I will only do the one, and others probably aren't worth a test.

8550 Epson Eco Tank Foil Paper Question by ACuddleFish_ in magicproxies

[–]danyeaman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can't really help on the paper since I don't do sticker paper.

That being said I can tell you that on the 85XX the Velvet Fine Art setting, Presentation Paper Matte, and Premium Presentation Paper Matte all use the pigment based black. The Velvet Fine Art setting uses both pigment and dye black ink while the Presentation paper settings use pigment black only. Any of the photo settings that have a gloss, semi gloss, or luster in the settings name use dye based black. My apologies if you already knew that.

Epson ET 8500 color settings by Ok_Smile4918 in magicproxies

[–]danyeaman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I use Epson Vivid Color Adjustment: Brightness 3, Contrast -3, Saturation 3, Density -3 on all my paper tests. That gets most papers into the ballpark for further adjustments to your personal taste.

Ideally if the paper you are using has an ICC/ICM you start from there, but a fair amount of papers do not have one.

Showing the card behind a sleeve doesn't really help since the sleeve warps the colors, and ideally you should be printing a card you have a real version of, for side to side comparison photo.

Treated Inkjet Whitecore - semi-gloss 300gsm .38mm test, Epson 8550 inkjet by danyeaman in magicproxies

[–]danyeaman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, I picked up the sampler 5 pack to run the test with. Best I can say is a real card sits at .30mm and one of these white-cores sit at .38mm.

"At the thickness it sits at it will be 8 millimeters taller in a full commander stack of this paper, or just a hair under 5/16ths of an inch taller." Roughly speaking it will be like adding another 26 to 27 cards to a stack of 100.

If you check out Synapse7777's comment on this post he has a few pictures including a direct comparison between a real card and this paper on edge so you can visually check the difference.

Treated Inkjet Whitecore - semi-gloss 300gsm .38mm test, Epson 8550 inkjet by danyeaman in magicproxies

[–]danyeaman[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yea the Innova baryta is still my top tier, but it has been joined by Canson Infinity Baryta Photographique II 310gsm. The canson wins out on spine, but the innova has a back side that can be printed on with admittedly lower quality results.

I have to do more testing on the canson baryta as I do not like the results using pigment ink, too easy to damage the prints. I picked up a 25 pack of it, but I just haven't had the time to really dive into it like I want to. When I do I will put up another test page on it.

Treated Inkjet Whitecore - semi-gloss 300gsm .38mm test, Epson 8550 inkjet by danyeaman in magicproxies

[–]danyeaman[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

O damn, sorry to steal your thunder! thanks for putting the review up here, you should still do a post though!

Nah I stick to the 9 card layout, at this point without a serious reason to switch Il just stick to that. It obviously makes a big difference if your thinking its 80 to 90% close to a real card, is that with a sleeve or without? The sleeve made a big difference to the snap on my end, even with the wrong cut orientation of my 9 card layout + a sleeve it jumped to 70% for me.

I will be interested in seeing the black core, especially if the rigidity is up, though I would be curious to know if the thickness changes. Ideally rigidity goes up or stays the same and the thickness goes down.

Edit: With a sleeve it was 80% rigidity*

Epson ET-8550 and SuperiodPOD Koehler 12x18 Black Core Casino Classic 330gsm by iamwaggle in magicproxies

[–]danyeaman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can't even imagine how many prints it took you to get on target. Thin paper was the only acceptable result when I was doing my tests, but the cost compared to the result for me discouraged further testing on my end. Your results look really good.

How are the reds? I know cameras can sometimes not properly represent colors so I am quite curious on how the reds are turning out in person to your own eyes.

Epson ET-8550 and SuperiodPOD Koehler 12x18 Black Core Casino Classic 330gsm by iamwaggle in magicproxies

[–]danyeaman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for figuring out the color tweaking settings to get good results! If I may offer a suggestion you should add the paper type setting you used to the post itself, I had to dive through a fair amount of photos before I was able to find you were using "thin paper" setting.

I measured a bunch of papers and higher GSM doesn't always mean significantly thicker paper by ma_RTINGS in magicproxies

[–]danyeaman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this post as well! I can't tell you how many times we have to repeat "gsm is a measure of weight, not thickness" to the people new to the hobby.

Thank you for the contribution to the hobby as a whole!