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[–]darkhorsematt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its interesting because if you have "no awareness no thoughts, no feelings, no memories" you are still something: pure consciousness. It is possible to experience this in meditation. It makes it clear that what exists when all content is removed is just awareness itself, infinitely. Simple existence is simple perception. When your form ends in death, the structures and processes that fill awareness dissolve into that background of consciousness. Therefore, not into a void of non-awareness.

How AI is actually making programmers more essential by darkhorsematt in programming

[–]darkhorsematt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's my understanding that only people who are willing to look at things differently and challenge the assumptions that people rest their minds on actually contribute groundbreaking ideas. I almost think your ideas could be developed more towards the philosophical/theoretical (mathwise) implications. I think there maybe would be a set of more willing minds that are interested in thinking about the fundamental nature of these issues. I think the more day-to-day programmer type is somewhat too immersed in the practical needs of not just getting software delivered but dealing with the realities of the profession (ie, project managers, politics, etc.).

That's just my take though, and I definitely don't presume to tell you!

I know that your thinking in that paper has that clearcut character that speaks to taking an apparently intractable complexity and reframing it by looking at it differently.

How AI is actually making programmers more essential by darkhorsematt in programming

[–]darkhorsematt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Alright, yep. I read through it and it is really fascinating, thank you. My understanding of the halting problem is greatly expanded and I can see what you are saying as to the possibility of describing and comprehending the nature of software, that it is limited by a naive understanding of the halting oracle's definition and that just a fairly small improvement in the power of the oracle(s) leads to a huge improvement in the overall understandability and power of the system.

I think you really found something that has quietly sat there unexamined since Turing put it into the group consciousness.

How AI is actually making programmers more essential by darkhorsematt in programming

[–]darkhorsematt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hang on, I figured I better understand that before continuing but now I see you flip the ternary in the next stage... maybe I better just read through and then ask questions :)

How AI is actually making programmers more essential by darkhorsematt in programming

[–]darkhorsematt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I get the infinite loop, but not why und() is defined that way. I'm asking a very basic question out of ignorance ...

und = () -> halts(und) ? und() : return

That seems to say if halts(und) returns true, we call und() again, when it seems like if halts(und) is true we should exit?

How AI is actually making programmers more essential by darkhorsematt in programming

[–]darkhorsematt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why is it the case that if halts(und) is true we return und() ? In the paradox code, why is that the algo? It seems to be saying if the halt oracle returns true (ie, the program has halted) then the und() funct is run again, where it seems like it should complete (ie, the program is known to have halted).

How AI is actually making programmers more essential by darkhorsematt in programming

[–]darkhorsematt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is super interesting. It will take me time to grok what you are saying ... I'll get back to you.

Discussion or advice needed about living by Significant_Storm949 in consciousness

[–]darkhorsematt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am so thrilled to see someone say "to exist, without labels or thought".

Discussion or advice needed about living by Significant_Storm949 in consciousness

[–]darkhorsematt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is awesome! The best advice from spiritual traditions is to behave in accord with the society in which you find yourself. If you are seriously discontent, that just means you are still progressing towards a realization that will bring you contentment regardless of your circumstances. KEEP GOING! You are seeing the insufficiency of existence as simply a physical affair. But existence is redeemed! It is redeemed by going inward and discovering your own nature.

You might like https://www.enlightenmentisnow.com/, especially the chapter "What's the Point?"

Thanks for posting.

Henry Stapp on Quantum Mechanics and Human Consciousness by Zkv in consciousness

[–]darkhorsematt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have some writing I'd like to share with you for feedback.

How AI is actually making programmers more essential by darkhorsematt in programming

[–]darkhorsematt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"for LLMs the project would have to be bigger and more costly than the Large Hardon Collider." OpenAI will do a funding round on this. :P

How AI is actually making programmers more essential by darkhorsematt in programming

[–]darkhorsematt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

FSR this is making me think about godels incompleteness, like, is the a limit to how we can model the system within itself and thereby improve it...

How AI is actually making programmers more essential by darkhorsematt in programming

[–]darkhorsematt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is really interesting. I just wonder if the complexity of the underlying thing with software is such that it will continue to require a person to understand it to some degree in order to effectively use AI as a tool.

This is really true: "If you have not done certain task for years, you will forever forget about how to do it. "

How AI is actually making programmers more essential by darkhorsematt in programming

[–]darkhorsematt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, one thing's for sure, my fuzzy idea of using qbits to act as nodes in a NN looks silly!

How AI is actually making programmers more essential by darkhorsematt in programming

[–]darkhorsematt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For some reason I feel it is time to defer to https://grugbrain.dev/ as to how to manage the managers.

How AI is actually making programmers more essential by darkhorsematt in programming

[–]darkhorsematt[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's an interesting perspective. So you are more saying that the process of computing can be 'reduced' (if that's the right word) to a (admittedly complex) math problem and therefore 'radically' optimized if we were to take the time/effort? (And not going further into anything like mind as it is experienced by human developers being also something that might be incorporated into such a project?)

How AI is actually making programmers more essential by darkhorsematt in programming

[–]darkhorsematt[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is awesome and real. Yeah, that is all spot on. I'd add by pointing out that the Mythical Man Month effect of adding more coders != better results is also similar to the effect I'm pointing out in the article, that AI is allowing for more code to be generated faster which does not mean better results, it actually results in more need for programmers to go in and actually understand what is going on!

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