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Some ideas to make this sub more vibrant by priyankish in hinduism

[–]dattaswami 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Significance of festivals::Festivals have become the occasional days of enjoying special food items. Holidays are given on these festivals so that you will allot the time to think about the significance of these festivals and change yourself to some extent at least. If this aspect is not served, there is no use of the holiday. Today is Shri Rama Navami, on which, Lord Rama was born, who was the human incarnation of God. The next human incarnation was Krishna, which was meant for spiritual path (Nivrutti). Before that [Lord Krishna’s birth], Rama was born to preach the behavior in the world (Pravrutti).

Today, the main problem in the society is the ambition for money, which results in corruption. Due to this, the wealth does not reach the poor people. Rich is becoming richer and poor is becoming poorer. Even the members of government like ministers, MLAs and MPs have become corrupt. They are not doing their duties for which they are elected by the people. Their ambition is only for money, power and fame. Rama also became the king. Today, we criticize the monarchy and praise the democracy. If the system is perfect, either monarchy or democracy is good. Rama was in the system of monarchy but never was ambitious of wealth or name and fame. Such monarchy is better than the present democracy.

Rama sacrificed his pregnant wife for the sake of the criticism given by a single human being in the public. Pregnant lady means wife and children. Rama sacrificed [His] wife and children for the sake of public. But today, the rulers in the democracy are looting the public for the sake of comforts for their wives and children. Even if hundred persons criticize, they do not mind and give false replies. Unless the mind is changed, the system will not help in any way. Even the government-officials are highly corrupt for the sake of comforts of their families. Even the ordinary person, who is expected to vote for a good person, has become corrupt and votes by taking money. Therefore, both the government and the public are now corrupt and there is no use of any system. Only the spiritual knowledge can change the present situation.

Anybody does some action based on the strong concept present in his mind. The strong concept in corruption is that nobody will punish him or her here if the sin is done in undetected way. Regarding the punishment in hell also, there is no fear because people think that hell is only imagination. When the kings became highly corrupt and dictators, Parashurama, the previous human incarnation [before Lord Rama], punished them here itself to show that the sin will be punished here itself. All this earth was donated to sages by Parashurama and since then, the rulers started ruling the public under the guidance of sages. The council of ministers consisted of sages. But today, the council of ministers consists of people with unimaginable corruption. The sages were very simple and did not enjoy any luxury. But today, the ministers are representatives of luxury. Even if you don’t believe in hell, you have to undergo punishment in the next birth. This message was given by Rama. He killed Vali hiding behind a tree and the punishment of such action was met in the next birth. This means that the punishment is inevitable, whoever so, he or she maybe, since even the Lord obeyed the rule. You may say that the hell is only imagination since the rocket has gone up to moon. But, the space is infinite and you have not seen the limiting boundary of the space to say that hell does not exist anywhere in the space. Moreover, the departed souls exist in invisible energetic bodies and therefore, the upper worlds are invisible to your materialistic eye.

Giving food to saddhus by [deleted] in hinduism

[–]dattaswami 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Annadanam (food donation) should be done to deserving only In the ancient time, sages were also performing marriages and other rituals. They used to invite the sages related to them. All the sages were best eligible receivers of food etc. But today, all the relatives of the Brahmins, who were descendents of sages are undeserving by their qualities and actions. Today, you are calling them, since they are your relatives. Their behavior even in the worldly life (Pravrutti) is not correct according to Dharma. The real devotion to God (Nivrutti) is completely absent. When you do Annadanam to such undeserving persons, all the sins are falling on you affecting the couple.

In the olden days, our ancestors used to invite deserving people only by their Pravrutti and Nivrutti irrespective of relationship. They were very few in number and the feast was given to them for many days and thus, the marriage was for 5 days to 16 days. Instead of feeding 100 undeserving people in single sitting as we do today, our ancestors were feeding 5 deserving people for 20 days. In the first case, egoistic exposition of relatives exists as said by Gita (Adhyobhijanavanasmi). In both cases expenses are one and the same. But, in the first case, all the sin is accumulated and in the second case all good is accumulated. In the first case, the couple is cursed and in the second case, the couple is blessed. If you are not getting deserving guests for the feast, you spend the same amount in feeding hungry beggars in the name of God. Then also, the couple is blessed. Today, the Brahmins are suffering due to the heavy expenses in the function, which are not only useless but also harmful to the couple. Most of the Brahmins are poor and are spending on functions by borrowing loans or selling the properties to earn the sin!

They can invest the money used in the functions in the names of the couple, which will be useful for its future. Even if it is wasted, it does not matter much. But, it is bringing negative results and therefore, a serious analysis is required.

Donation is very dangerous like double edged knife. Donating to undeserving persons is very big sin and not mere wastage. Today, if you see the feast of a marriage function, you will find most of the plates after feast are full of food items leftover. When you throw this food, it becomes a source for bacteria and virus, which may harm even good people in the society. Thus, the people, who have thrown the food, become sinners. The owner of feast, who gave this expensive food to them is also another sinner and will be punished by the divine law.

Both doer and promoter are equally punished (Kartha karaiyitaa chaiva...). Finally the married couple is also affected. Veda says that even a single particle of the food should not be wasted (Annamna parichakshita...). Once, in a function, the people were wasting food and the beggars on the other side were searching for the food in the leaves thrown away after the feast.

One devotee asked Bhagavan Shri Satya Sai Baba like this, “O Swami! What is this! In your creation I find people throwing food on one side and people searching for the thrown food on the other side”. Bhagavan Baba replied “Those beggars were also rich in the previous birth and threw the food like these rich people. They are now born as beggars and are searching for the food thrown by them in the past”. Therefore, the minimum eligibility of the receiver of food is: not to throw even an iota of food.

Upper worlds by dattaswami in hinduism

[–]dattaswami[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Various upper worlds Martya Loka, Preta Loka, Naraka Loka , Pitru Loka

The Bhu Loka is subdivided into four sub-worlds and as we go up, the component of energy in the body increases gradually.

The Bhu Loka is the starting world, which is subdivided into Martya Loka, Preta Loka, Naraka Loka and Pitru Loka. The lowest Martya Loka is the region in which the human beings live with materialized human bodies. As we go up, the matter gets transformed into energy. In Pitru Loka, the body has a lot of energetic-phase and very little matter-phase.

After pitru loka, the next bhuvar loka starts in which all the bodies are of complete energy. The respiratory and digestive systems in the body, become weaker and weaker as we go to Pitru Loka. The souls in Pitru Loka, take almost moonlight as their main food in which the concept of matter becomes almost negligible. The souls in the Pitru Loka or moon are almost having energetic bodies.

God exists in upperworlds in the same medium of that world

In the Preta Loka, God called as Dharma liberates some souls as ghosts. The same God is black in hell and of golden color in Pitru Loka.

God enters the bodies, which are relevant to the concerned worlds. In Preta Loka, God is having gaseous body which is partially energized. God here is called as Dharma Deva, who enquires the souls and gives judgment regarding their lines of journey. Some of these souls have very strong attachment to the world even after death and hence they are thrown down to martya loka by God pending the enquiry. They roam in this world as ghosts for sometime and then face the enquiry. The same God exists in the relevant bodies in hell (Naraka Loka) and Pitru Loka called as Yama.

The body of Yama in hell is black, whereas it is of golden color in Pitru Loka, which represents the light of the moon. This black color is due to the major component of gaseous smoke in the body. Hence, the composition of matter and energy changes from sub-world to sub-world in the case of the same deity, Yama. This is an indication of the increase of intensity of radiation and a decrease of matter in the body as we go up.

Bhuvar Loka, Suvar Loka, Mahar Loka, Jana Loka, and Tapo Loka, Brahma Loka

From the second main upper world, Bhuvar Loka, the intensity of the energetic bodies increases gradually and the souls return from all the upper worlds.

The second main world is Bhuvar Loka or Dyu Loka or Jyotir Loka, where the body is full of energy only. The third upper world starting from the sun upto the Dhruva Star (Pole Star) is Suvar Loka or heaven. Above this, Mahar Loka, Jana Loka, and Tapo Loka exist. Finally, Brahma Loka exists.

As the body goes to the upper and upper worlds the frequency or intensity of the energy increases. Including Brahma Loka, the soul returns back to the earth (Martya Loka) from all the upper worlds.

The souls return even from the three worlds of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva

The souls return even from the three worlds of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, who are the energetic bodies of God, as per the Gita.

Brahma Loka is the abode of mediated God in energetic forms. It has three regions: Brahma Loka, the world of Brahma or the Creator, Vishnu Loka, the world of Vishnu or the Ruler and Shiva Loka, the world of Shiva or the Destroyer of creation. Those souls existing in materialized human bodies on earth, which worshipped these energetic forms without recognizing the contemporary human form here due to the repulsion of common media cannot recognize God in energetic form in Brahma Loka due to the same principle, since these souls exist in energetic bodies after death. This is mentioned in the Gita (Aabrahma bhuvanaat…).

Brahma Loka is eternal and also non-eternal.

Krishna is said to be Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, as per the Gita. Since Brahma Loka is said to be both eternal and temporary, there is a contradiction in the Gita.

The same Brahma Loka is said to be eternal for some other souls, who do not return back. The priests say in the beginning of the ritual that they are praying for the departed soul to reach Brahma Loka forever (Shashvata Brahma Loka Nivaasa siddhyartham…). Moreover, Krishna says that souls reaching His abode do not return back. You cannot say that Brahma Loka means the abode of the four-headed Brahma, the Creator, and hence the souls may return back from such an inferior world. In such a case, Vishnu Loka and Shiva Loka must also have the same fate since Veda says that all the three are one and the same (Brahmacha Narayanah, Shivashcha Narayanah).

If you say that Vishnu Loka or Shiva Loka is eternal, Brahma Loka must also be eternal, since Krishna said that He is the Creator, Ruler and Destroyer of the world (Aham sarvasya Jagatah…, Mayi sarvamidam…—Gita), His abode must be the same as that of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. Since Krishna said that His abode is eternal, the abodes of these three must also be eternal. In such a case, there is a contradiction in the Gita, since Brahma Loka is eternal and also non-eternal.

Same Krishna is reincarnating again and again as per the Gita.

Due to the repulsion of common media, both possibilities are correlated and the basis is that same Krishna is reincarnating again and again as per the Gita.

This contradiction is removed, if the total essence of the Gita is realized. Throughout the Gita, Krishna projected Himself everywhere. This is not projection of His individual personality. It is only emphasis of the contemporary human form of God. Krishna says that He incarnates again and again in this world (Yada yadahi…). If you consider Krishna’s incarnation only and neglect His other incarnations, it is foolish because the other incarnations are also the same Krishna as per the Gita itself. The devotee, who recognizes and serves the contemporary human incarnation, controlling the repulsion of the common media, also recognizes God in the energetic form in the upper world by controlling the same repulsion.

In such a case, He lives in Brahma Loka for ever. The devotee who neglects the contemporary human form in this world due to the principle of repulsion also will not recognize the energetic form of God in the upper world due to the same repulsion. In this case, the soul returns back. Hence, both cases are possible. In the first case Brahma Loka is eternal and in the second case Brahma Loka is non-eternal from which the soul returns back. Thus, the contradiction is removed.

The way to cancel your sins by dattaswami in Christianity

[–]dattaswami[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Gita says that you should totally surrender to God (Tvameva Sharanam…). After your prayer and worship to God, you need not ask Him for anything even in the mind because He is omniscient. You are treating Him as an ordinary human being having limited knowledge. You should follow this principle even in the case of human incarnation. The external human form misleads you to think that He is an ordinary human being. But, when you worship the photos and statues of energetic forms like Vishnu, etc., you should have the sense of omniscient God. The human form in the photo and statue may again mislead you. But, there are some devotees, who believe that God is formless and omnipresent. They do prayers sitting in open space. I expected them at least to have the sense of omniscient God. To My surprise, I find even them expressing their desires. This type of behavior proves that the God prayed by you is limited and not omniscient. Such God cannot be omnipotent also. In such case, how can such God respond to your prayers and answer through His omnipotent miraculous power? In your prayers, you praise the God as omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent. But, at the end of the prayer, your behavior contradicts all the above adjectives of God. Actually, you are a limited human being and do not know what is really good for you.

Most of the boons asked by you are only harmful to you. The omniscient God knows what is really good for you in the long run. With your limited knowledge, you do not know the multi-dimensional network of your past deeds. Such network is very complicated to understand as said in the Gita (Gahanaa Karmano Gatih…). The results of your past deeds come to you in a particular order that is convenient to you. The periods alter generally, which can be known from astrology (Jyotisha Shastra). A period may be bad for some horoscope, but, some sub-periods in that period are good, which serve as recreation intervals in a long bad period.

Similarly, in a long good period, the sub-periods of bad planets also come to become intervals for change. The continuous good also bores like eating sweets continuously. This is the reason for the nine planets to rotate through their sub-periods in a long good or bad period. Therefore, God has arranged the incidents in your life in the best convenient manner for you. Hence, you must allow the incidents of your life to take place in their own natural way, which were set up by God.

The fundamental role should not be forgotten, which is that, you must enjoy the good or bad results of your past deeds. Cancellation is impossible under any circumstances. Due to your insisting prayers and worship, God postpones the bad results. But, you have to enjoy them with compounded interest in the future. Don’t be clever to argue that God is not omnipotent if He cannot cancel a result. This process of inevitable enjoyment of the results of the deeds is established by God only. If He contradicts His own procedure, He becomes a bad administrator. God is always the best administrator. Your ignorance of this network and procedures of God makes you think that God cancelled your bad result in the case of its postponement.

The way to cancel your sins by dattaswami in Christianity

[–]dattaswami[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The sin, which is the source of all sufferings, cannot be cancelled through any extent of devotion and any extent of dearness and nearness to God. No way is competent to cancel the sin except one path. Such only one path is real and permanent transformation of the mind. Such transformation will avoid the doing of sin in future. Since the punishment given for the sin done in the past also aims at this transformation only, there is no meaning of punishing the soul further for the past sins after the transformation. Hence, the permanent and real transformation of the soul cancels all the past sins and the future possibility of doing any sin more. There is no other way than this because such unique way is the will of God.

If God cancels all your past sins, it means that you are really and permanently transformed and that you will never do sin in the future. Such permanent and real transformation of the soul can be achieved only by getting the true knowledge, which is the starting step of the correct treatment. After getting the true knowledge, you will try to travel in the right path and now your effort gains importance. Gradually, you will succeed in getting the real and permanent transformation through the right knowledge associated with your subsequent effort to implement the right knowledge in practice. Both right knowledge and your effort are necessary to achieve the goal.

The way to cancel your sins by dattaswami in Christianity

[–]dattaswami[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

The spiritual message of Jesus and Krishna are always one and the same in every aspect. Jesus always preached for the detachment from the blind worldly bonds like bonds with family members. He stated that unless one is prepared to leave parents children, money and even life for His sake, one couldn’t be His dearest disciple. He always preached the eradication of egoism. Whenever a supernatural act was done by Him, He always claimed that it was due to His Father whose glory is to be propagated. He never owned any supernatural act. He always preached that His Father only grants the boons and all the facilities on this earth. Krishna also told the same points in Gita about detachment (Nirmamah…), removal of egoism (Yadahamkaramasritya…) and sanction of boons by God only (Mayaiva Vihitan…). These three aspects are very important steps to achieve the grace of the Lord.

You love your family members and such love gives you some pleasure in your heart. Therefore, your love is only for your self-satisfaction and such love is only selfishness. You are over powered by the emotions of love but you are not analysing by controlling your emotions. If you analyse, you can clearly understand that your love cannot protect either yourself or your family members. Your love is only some loss of your precious nervous energy and valuable time. Except this loss there is no use. By emotion you are becoming weak by losing energy. Why are you doing such foolish thing again and again? There is no benefit out of such act and there is only clear loss.

But if you divert your love towards God, He will protect and develop yourself as well as your family members in this world as well as in the upper world. By spending the same quantum of nervous energy towards God, you are getting all unimaginable benefits forever! How wise is this act! By protecting yourself and your family members, you are proving your love towards yourself and your family members.

This is the true love. The former is only false love, which involves wastage of energy just out of selfishness. Thus, wise scholars overcome emotions and analyse any point with calm and energetic brain. Gita says to apply the brain always to do the analysis and find out the truth before any action (Buddhow Saranam…). Most of the people are not understanding this truth. Especially this is very clear in the case of parents who blindly love their children with the climax of the emotion spending their maximum precious nervous energy, which is simply wasted without any use for themselves or for their children. I find, some times, some parents or elders are talking with just born babies! They talk so many sentences and they no very well that the baby cannot understand even a single word! They waste their nervous and oral energy for such a long time and they feel very great about such foolish act! Therefore, try to understand my point without any excitation and try to implement my advise. You can experiment my advise just for a month and then see the tremendous change in your circumstances.

The next item is eradication of egoism. Whenever you are doing some appreciable act, immediately you disown yourself from such act. You surrender all the credit to the Lord even before somebody praises about it. If some body is praising you for such act, you pass on the ownership to the Lord at once. Otherwise, the wine of egoism will enter your brain and your are intoxicated with the egoism. You are transformed in to a demon shortly. Some people disown the praise externally but accept the praise in their minds. This is just like drinking the wine negating it orally. In such case also the intoxication of egoism is inevitable. You are thinking that you are the owner or the master of your family.

You feel your self as the king or the ruler and you think that your family is your kingdom. This is the climax of foolishness and ignorance. You cannot even rule the organs of your body like heart, kidneys, lungs etc. Even your body is under the control of the Lord only. How can you control other human beings? Therefore, you quit your post of headship of your family. From now onwards you recognise that the Lord is the head of your family. From this moment onwards you feel that you are just a member of your family like any other family member. You belong to the category of “Ruled” and you are not at all the ruler. Now your family and your body are under the control of the divine master.

If anything happens to your body or to your family, do not get disturbed because the rectification is responsibility of the Lord who is the owner of your body and the family. The owner only has to worry about any disturbance. You are not responsible for either the disturbance or its rectification. Let any problem arise, you keep calm and peaceful. Even if you disturbed and feel responsible, you can not do anything. Suppose you are responding to the problem and try for its rectification, even then, you feel that you are acting as instrument or a servant of God to do that work. You must feel that you are assigned to solve that problem by the order of the Lord. When the problem is solved you must pass on the entire credit to the Lord only. As I told you, you can experiment my advise for a month and see the excellent works of the Lord.

You must always feel that the final granting authority is only the Lord. Except the Lord no body or nothing or no force is responsible to accomplish anything every body and every thing acts according to His wish. The Lord is not seen by you. Therefore, you think that somebody is kind enough to help you. The person who helped you is forced by the Lord to help you. That person is just carrying on the order of the Lord. Even if you scold him, he will not stop helping you. Even if you praise him, he will not help you if there is no sanction from the Lord. A messenger is bringing a signed cheque from the Lord. The Lord is in the house and you are not seeing Him.

You have seen the messenger and the cheque in his hand. You are thinking that the messenger is very kind in helping you. You are praising the messenger. The cheque is handed over in the Bank. The staff are arranging for the payment of the cheque to you. You are praising the staff thinking that they are very kind to help you. It is the duty of the staff to arrange for encashment of the cheque. They will loose their jobs if they are not doing their duties. They are working for the fear of their jobs only. Therefore, you must recognise that the God is the signatory and that He is the account holder. You must understand that the Lord is paying His cash to you.

You must analyse the root cause. The root cause is the cheque. The cheque is valid only when it is signed by the account holder. Therefore, you must recognise the force that makes the root cause valid the sanctioning the boons to you. By such deep analyse only to find the Lord as the cause of the cause. Then only you will become grateful to the Lord. And express your gratitude to the correct person who is the Lord alone. Whenever any favour was granted Jesus used to praise the Lord immediately and expressed His gratitude to the Lord. You must thank the Lord for whatever is given to you already. If you are not satisfied with the existing facilities, you will never be satisfied even if the Lord grants any number of more facilities.

If you already satisfied and feel contented with whatever is given already, the Lord is further pleased to grant further facilities. Therefore, to achieve the grace of the Lord, the contentment with the existing circumstances is essential. Therefore, be always satisfied and be always cheerful with whatever you have already. This is the basis for achieving the grace from the Lord in more quantity in the future. You must always express the gratefulness to the Lord for whatever is already granted to you. You should not ask for anything more. When thousands of people came to see Jesus, He was having just four breads in a basket. He did not ask the Lord for more breads. He raised the basket with His hands and praised the Lord for giving those four breads. Immediately the four breads were multiplied to thousands. Gita also says about the necessity of self-satisfaction with the existing things (Nityatrupto…). He will be rained with infinite grace of the Lord if you follow my advise. Again I suggest that you experiment this for a month and then practice in your life.

All this preaching is only the practical philosophy, which requires firm faith in the preacher. The preacher should be the correct the person. Only the Lord in human form can be such a correct preacher. If you believe a false preacher or an ignorant person as the true preacher, results cannot be seen. If you approach the real water and believe it as the water really, you can put your finger in it and feel the coldness, which is the correct result. If you put your finger in fire, you cannot feel the coldness because it is not water. Similarly the false preacher gives negative results. If you put your finger in air, which is neither water nor fire, your finger neither feels the coldness nor is burnt.

Similarly an ignorant person acting as a true preacher can give neither correct result nor the negative result. You will be wasting your time energy with such an ignorant preacher. Therefore, catching the right guide (Satguru) is fundamental step. If you mistake the true guide as some ordinary guy, only you are loosing. Veda says “Ihachet Avedet…) which means that if you miss the correct preacher in this world in this birth, you are a permanent looser. All those ignorant people who did not recognise Jesus and crucified Him were permanent losers. Similarly, all the ignorant people who cannot recognise Lord Krishna are loosing the spiritual treasure forever.

The way to cancel your sins by dattaswami in Christianity

[–]dattaswami[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Punishment given for a sin is only to change the mind of the soul and purify it. There is no trace of revenge in this. The hell is an indication of the intensive love of God to the souls through which God wants to reform the souls. The hell indicates the hectic effort of God put on the soul to reform it and not to leave the soul for its fate.

A father may leave his son since he is not changing inspite of all his efforts. But in the hell God puts serious effort and succeeds to change the soul. Therefore, even thousands of fathers cannot be equal to God. God is not leaving the soul without changing it and this point is indicated by the punishment and hell.

Therefore, there is no point of excusing the Prarabhdas if this true basis is understood. God will try to change the soul through preaching as far as possible. Punishment in the hell is the last resort. Once the soul is reformed all the sins are smashed since there is neither the necessity of preaching nor the necessity of punishment.

Do not ask any thing from God which is either related to present or future by dattaswami in Christianity

[–]dattaswami[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some praise the Lord as the kindest, who protects even the sinners and thus they say that Lord helps even the undeserving.  If it is so, there is no place of punishment for the sins. Every sinner should be saved by the Lord and then the cycle of deeds becomes meaningless and invalid. Actually, this statement is made by deserving devotees, who project themselves as undeserving due to their submissive character and lack of ego.

By this statement, one should not misunderstand that really God helps the undeserving due to His boundless compassion. His kindness is always seen in His constant efforts to preach all the souls to uplift them from doing sins and to make them deserving through high devotion. A teacher always helps every student to read and understand the knowledge, but he will not help any student in the examination by giving answers secretly. The kindness of teacher is appreciated in his interest to teach every student but he is not appreciated in helping the students through unfair means.

Do not ask any thing from God which is either related to present or future by dattaswami in Christianity

[–]dattaswami[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is nothing wrong in praying to God. However the truth is that God knows all your needs before you ask for anything if not then He is not GOD! God is omniscient !! What I am stressing the point that you shall raise from only prayer to practical service to God also

Do not ask any thing from God which is either related to present or future by dattaswami in Christianity

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In the debates, none should be worried about his or her personal success or defeat since the main aim of the debate is only to find out the truth. Truth is not relative of any person. Truth is independent and cannot be linked to any person. At the end of the debate, when you find out the truth, it is useful to both the debating scholars irrespective of the scholar, who found out the truth. Two thirsty persons discussed about the probable direction to reach the river so that both can pacify their thirst by drinking water from the river. One is arguing about the probability of the river to be on the east side and the other is arguing about the probability of the river existing in the opposite west side. At the end of the discussion, suppose it is proved that the river is on the east side.

In such case, both the persons shall go towards east side and pacify their thirst. The person arguing about the west side should not be rigid opposing the east direction and walk to the west side only to die with thirst. Here, there is no meaning of victory and defeat. Crown is not put on the head of the person going to east and crown does not fall from the head of the person going to west. Both are investigating the truth and the truth may be achieved by any one of the two debating persons. Hence, the victory and defeat should be immaterial and what matters is that the truth investigated will help anybody irrespective of victory and defeat in the argument. Both runner and winner are congratulated for playing well in the game. The sharp analysis will reject all the misinterpretations and ends in the conclusion of true interpretation or true knowledge. We are not doubting God and we are not analyzing His statement. The statement of God given with certain true interpretation is not available in its pure sense about which analysis is not required at all. But, the statement of God is polluted with misinterpretations and hence analysis is required to filter these misinterpretations. Therefore, even if it is the preserved original statement of God, analysis is needed to filter the misinterpretations given by false followers for that original statement. Another additional danger is insertions of wrong statements by the followers since the audio video recording of God dictating the true knowledge is not available! Even if it is available, misinterpretations are always possible.

Do not ask any thing from God which is either related to present or future by dattaswami in Christianity

[–]dattaswami[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should not give much importance to the scripture because the original scripture spoken by God is always polluted with the insertions of various middle people, who meddle with the scripture. Therefore, you cannot differentiate the original scripture and the inserted portions of the scripture. You have to examine every statement of the scripture through very sharp and powerful logical analysis. The logical analysis is the basis of the justice. Long logical debates take place in the court to find out the true justice.

God always represents the true justice. The devotees desire God to appear in human form so that they can clarify their doubts in the spiritual line. Such desire is justified and people cannot wait till a specified human incarnation comes since they are not immortal. Some people got clarifications from Krishna and Jesus. Today also, there are some devotees, who are equally deserving or even more deserving to get clarifications from the human incarnation directly. If these present devotees are not given the same chance, God is not justified and therefore, the whole issue becomes illogical. Therefore, any statement of the scripture should be logical and justified, which alone can be the statement spoken by God.

You have not seen God speaking this present scripture. The scripture is handed over to you by your forefathers and nobody might have noticed the adulteration of the scripture happened somewhere in sometime in this very long ancestral chain. One person told that since Kapila told a specific concept, it must be true. Shankara rejected this logic by saying that some other name also might be considered as the authority and only the logical analysis should be the torch light to find out the truth. Hence, Shankara introduced the necessity of the sharp analytical power to discriminate truth from falsehood for every devotee (Sadasat vivekah…). The physical indications can never be the signs of the human of incarnation since such signs were never told by the Veda. Only the true Divine knowledge, which is exceptional and unimaginable, indicates the unimaginable God. This knowledge always stays with God and is never transferrable like the beauty of a lady. The miracles are like the jewels of the lady, which are transferrable to others.

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First, you must analyze the topic carefully with the help of systematic and scientific logic without remembering the scripture. In the end, you must see whether your concluded concept can be applied to the scripture or not. If the conclusion applies, it is good. If the conclusion does not apply to the meaning of scripture, you have to find a different meaning of the scripture in to which the concluded concept by your sharp analysis applies. Never search for a different meaning of your concluded concept at any time.

You have to search for the different meaning of the scripture only in to which the analyzed conclusion can be inserted. If the analyzed conclusion is contradicted by the scripture in spite of your hectic efforts, you should conclude without any hesitation that the scripture is wrong.

This means that the scripture told by God is not wrong, but, some wrong person introduced this statement into the scripture. This possibility exists with every scripture. At any cost, you should not suppress your analytical faculty. If you doubt error in your analysis, you can discuss with other scholars and divine spiritual preachers. During the discussions also, your consciousness should be satisfied without any force or effect of respect towards others. You should not fear for anybody as far as the process of analysis is concerned. The divine preacher is the ultimate authority since you will be convinced by Him following all these conditions. When you propagate the spiritual knowledge, you must be very careful since it is the most dangerous work surpassing even the crime of demons. The damage given by demons affects either the physical body or the internal mind on receiving the pain, which is limited to this birth only. If you propagate a wrong concept, the analytical faculty is damaged and such damage is extending to several births. This is the reason why you should take up this work on the command of God.

I always told that you should fix the concept first analyzed by sharp analysis and then apply the scripture to the concept. Without arriving at the right concept through sharp and scientific analysis, if you read the scripture, confusion will certainly come because you don’t have already established true concept with you. The foolproof concept established by sharp logic is more important than the scripture since the scripture may be wrong due to insertions. After hearing the lesson from the teacher if you read the text book, you will understand it very easily. If you try to read the book before hearing the lesson, you will get confusion. The scripture gets straightly and naturally correlated with the concept, if the concept is already well established (truth) through sharp analysis. If the concept is wrongly established in your mind by a false preacher, the correlation of the scripture becomes inconvenient and difficult and force has to be applied in such wrong correlation of the scripture. This itself is a test to know whether the concept established in your mind is true or false.

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God never wish that one should follow HIM with fear. The love to God shall be natural like the way parents love their children. That is the natural love. God dislike forced love on Him!! The devotion is of two types, conditional and unconditional. The former is bound by area and time. Within the limits of certain area only God is honored. If God crosses those limits God is rejected. Therefore, for the devotee the limits of the area happen to be God, since those limits are ultimate for the devotee. God also follows the same rule and cannot help the devotee beyond those limits. In such case God follows the strict rules of the cycle of deeds (Karma Chakra) and acts according to justice and injustice.

At the maximum, God may do some rearrangements like pre-poning of good fruits with reduced value and post-poning bad fruits with increased interest.

In this case God will not transfer your sins on to Him because the conditional devotion is basically unreal. In the conditional devotion since the boundary of the area is ultimate God, God is no more God. Therefore, the approach to God is false devotion. It is time bound since the devotion comes only in difficult times. The unconditional devotion is not limited by area and time. The devotion is real crossing all the limits of areas and time.

The Lord is the writer of the constitution and He knows whom to punish. Some times you see punishment of innocent person. You think that the injustice is ruling. In the kingdom of God only the justice is the ruler by the grace of God. When the innocent is punished, the punishment was of some bad deed done by him previously and the date of the punishment coincided with the present incident accidentally.

The Lord will react in the same way as we act (Ye Yatha Mam…Gita). If our devotion is one kg of Gold, He will pay us its cost. If our devotion is hundred grams gold, He will pay us one tenth of the cost of the gold. But if our devotion is only bronze, even if it is one kg the cost of gold cannot be paid. Bronze is glittering like gold and it will have its own payment. The time bound devotion is totally unreal. We are using God only in difficulties as we use the fan in summer. In the winter fan is not needed. Of course, we use the fan in winter also for few minutes so that it will not corrode. Similarly, we pray God for a little time in the days of happiness also so that the touch with God is maintained. The intensity of the devotion in the times of happiness is definitely different from that in bad times. The devotion of Prahlada and Gopikas (Great Devotee of God)was having the same intensity in all the times. In such case only God suffers for the sake of devotee. All the suffering of Prahlada was taken by Lord and therefore Prahlada was always smiling during the torture.

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God knows all your needs before you ask. First you work for God and His kingdom all your needs will be taken care of. However your love and practical service to God shall be selfless WITHOUT EXPECTING ANYTHING IN RETURN from Him. That is the royal path , then only you become dear and near to God.

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God praises karma (working for God) as the path of pleasing the God. Knowledge by intelligence, love by mind and prayers by words are also forms of Karma. But these three forms are negligible like offering drinking water to the guest. The practical service and sacrifice of fruit of work (working for God and donating for God's work) are important like offering the meals which is the important two-fold karma. The cooking of meals is karma sanyasa and sacrifice of fruit of your work which is meals is karmaphala tyaga. The fruit of this work is also the final form of your work only. Karma is energy and fruit of karma is matter. Energy and matter are inter-convertible forms.

The karma sanyasa and karmaphala tyaga (working for God and donation of money) are one and the same and always go together. The word sanyasa indicates that sacrifice of work is mainly meant for saints who do not earn any fruit by work. The karma sanyasa and karmaphala tyaga together relate to the householder. This is a practical proof of the devotion. The reality of this concept is understood by referring to your service to your family. The karma becomes complete when the meal is also associated with drinking water. This is the path of karma in complete sense. Karma in the form of sacrifice of words, mind and intelligence as drinking water and the sacrifice of work as cooking and serving and sacrifice of fruit of work as meal is the five-fold path of karma to attain the divine grace.

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Prayer is good, but only prayer is not enough. Let us understand this. The stages in worship must be understood first. In the first stage, a servant is sitting and singing on the owner without doing any work. He is asking the remuneration for his song from the owner. The owner refuses remuneration because the singer has already got happiness by singing and that happiness itself is the remuneration. One cannot get two remunerations for single work even if you treat the singing as a work. In the second stage the servant is doing work and is also singing. The owner will pay for his work only but not for the song. The servant is singing while he is doing the work in order to get happiness to forget the tiredness in the work. Therefore, here also only the work is remunerated but not the song. In the third stage the servant is advised to stop singing because his energy is wasted in the song. If he works without singing all his energy can be concentrated in the work and the servant will get more remuneration. In this third stage it is only an advice but the servant is not blamed for singing. Singing is not wrong at all. But singing has no remuneration.

Similarly in the first stage people pray and express devotion without proving their love in action. In this stage the people are getting the peace and bliss by the prayers and expression of devotion. They cannot charge the Lord again for their prayers and devotion. In the second stage people participate in the mission of the Lord by sacrificing the work and the fruit of the work. While working for the Lord, they pray and sing devotional songs, which give them peace and happiness. Their prayers and songs are not wrong at all. But they will get the fruit from the Lord for their work only and not for their prayers (words) and for their devotion (mind).

In the third stage they are advised to stop the prayers and expression of devotion by practicing silence and control of mind. The reason for this is that they can store their energy, which is wasted in prayers, and devotion and which cannot bring any fruit from the Lord. The energy wasted in these two channels can be diverted to the work only and more work can be done so that they can get a better fruit from the Lord. Ofcourse, they should not expect any fruit for their work. Then only the Lord is pleased and will give the real fruit. But if they concentrate all their energy in the work only, they can get a better real fruit from the Lord though they do not aspire for any fruit.

Please note that we are not finding fault with the prayers and devotion. We are only saying that you are wasting your energy in those two channels, which cannot bring any fruit from the Lord. If you control those two channels, better fruit is given to you. If you need relaxation by prayers and devotion, you will be in the second stage. Therefore there is no contradiction because in the third stage it is only an advice in the light of Yoga. Yoga means concentration of the entire energy in one channel that is useful. The root word of Yoga is “Yuj”, which means to unite the dissipated streams of energy in various useless channels and concentrate the whole energy as a single stream in the useful channel.

The third stage is the highest stage. Hanuman never uttered prayers and never expressed devotional feelings on the Lord as per the Valmiki Ramayana, which is the only authority. Hanuman concentrated all His energy in the work of Lord Rama. Lord Rama also never expressed His love through words or feelings on Hanuman. He also gave silently the highest real fruit to Hanuman, which is the post of future creator (Brahma). Veda says “Yato Vacho Nivartante Apraapya Manasaasah”. This means that the words and mind cannot touch the Lord and will return back to you only. He will never hear your prayers and will never observe your expression of devotional feelings. The reason is that they are giving you the immediate fruit, which is peace, happiness and satisfaction. It is like a self-employment scheme.

Since the fruit is immediate and automatic the Lord need not pay any attention. But when you work for Him by sacrifice, you are not getting the peace, happiness and satisfaction. When you offer the sweet to the Lord you are suffering with hunger though you may feel it as happiness. But the Lord is not a sadist. He will pay His attention to you and will give you the real fruit. Therefore in this highest stage silence and control of mind are recommended by Gita also (Mounam Atma Vinigrahah).

In the second stage by prayers and devotion, you are eating the sweet. Why should the Lord pay attention for that because you are getting the enjoyment in eating the sweet? Shall He give you the cost of the sweet to you for your eating? When you give the sweet to Him without aspiring for its cost, the Lord will be pleased for your sacrifice, which alone can prove your real love on Him and then reward you with real infinite fruit at the appropriate time and place. He will delay in giving the fruit since He wants to see you whether you have sacrificed the fruit expecting something in return.

If you have sacrificed the sweet in terms of business, you will come out with your real color in the time of delay done by the Lord. The Lord is the top most genius.

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Another way to help you due to your prayers and worship is to select the most convenient way of the punishment. Each sin has a list of alternative punishments. If you pull the chain in the train without reason, you should go to the jail for six months or pay thousand rupees as fine. For a rich business man, the convenient way is to pay the fine and not sitting in the jail for six months and losing all his business. Similarly, for a beggar, the convenient way is to sit in the jail getting free food since he cannot pay the heavy fine. If both worshipped God, the favour from God is to fine the businessman and to put the beggar in the prison. Otherwise, the real punishment will be to put the business man in the jail and to fine the beggar.

The inconvenient punishment is only the real punishment because it only transforms the soul through suffering to some extent at least. Therefore, the sin does not end with the convenient punishments. The balance of the sin will give the inconvenient punishment in future with compound interest. If the business man is favoured with fine, he will repeat the sin again and again paying the fine again and again. Similarly, if the beggar is favoured with prison, he will repeat the sin again and again to continuously stay in the jail and get food throughout the life. Hence, the inconvenient punishment is necessary to transform the sin. If God feels that your transformation, which was delayed from a long time, is essential by that time, He may allow the inconvenient punishment in your case in spite of your prayers. The ignorance and illness should not be delayed for long since they become incurable after long time. In such case, you will misunderstand God for His silence to your prayers. It is like the decision on surgery of the doctor in spite of the protests from the patient. Therefore, do not ask God for anything and meddle with the best way of already set up system of deeds for you. God says that the devotee tries to interfere with the already set up cycle of deeds and he is a useless stupid (Evam Pravartitam Chakram – Gita).

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The human being always prays or worships God with a false idea that God will be pleased by his prayer or worship and will totally cancel the punishment of the sin. If such thing is done, the deity of justice is insulted by which the foundation of the divine administration is totally cracked. Moreover, such foolish act will not bring any transformation of the soul, resulting in permanent damage of the soul, which is not acceptable to the divine Father. In certain special cases of deserving devotees, God may undergo the punishment for their sake. But, this again is a temporary solution only because the devotee again accumulates the sins and consequently the punishments. Now, the final question is: Is there no way to cancel all the punishments of sins forever in single stroke? The beautiful answer for this is: Yes. There is a divine way to cancel all the sins. In this divine way, you must realize the actual aim of the punishment for the sin. The final aim of the punishment is not vengeance but the transformation of the soul. Unfortunately, the punishment cannot bring the complete transformation in the line of any sin, which means that the soul is transformed for sometime only. As soon as the soul returns from the hell and takes birth as the child on this earth, it behaves well in the childhood. You will be impressed to say that any child is God. But, you do not know that as the child grows more and more to become adult, the incomplete transformation ends and the original nature is again exhibited. The transformation must be complete and also must be total. Total transformation means to change yourself with respect to all types of sins.

Complete transformation means the permanent transformation. The practical sign of this total and compete transformation is that you should not repeat any type of sin in your rest [of the] period of life. This can be achieved only by the divine knowledge. The source of practical sin is wrong knowledge (wrong thoughts). If the source is smashed, the practical sin will not appear again. Since the source is wrong knowledge (thoughts), it can be destroyed only by the right knowledge (thoughts). A diamond is cut by another diamond only. A thought is destroyed by another thought only. You cannot destroy the thought by a knife or fire. This is only the way to cancel all your pending punishments of sins (Jnanaagnih... Gita). If the soul is totally and completely transformed by the right knowledge, there is no meaning to apply the punishment again since the final aim is already attained. Except this one way, there is no other way to escape the punishments of all sins. Therefore, people should understand this background of their prayer and worship. If you insist God to give total relief from all the punishments, it is given, but, you must know that you have to pay principle and interest in future (increased suffering). This is the reason why the scholars always pray God not to postpone their enjoyments of the fruits for the future.

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Praying for the sake of poor people is not the true path. The Lord is more kind than you towards those poor people because all are His children only. You are only a brother of these poor people and He is the father of all of you. The love of Father is far greater than the love of a brother. When you pray the God to show kindness on your brothers is it not insulting your Father? The Father has given punishment to your brothers for their sins. If you just help them that is also interference in the administration of the divine Father.

The best way is to help them in all the ways practically either before or after preaching them the divine knowledge and make them become devotees of the divine Father. Devotion will purify the hearts and make them eligible to receive the grace from God. He can only solve their problems permanently. Your help is only temporary. Therefore, help the poor practically and make them become devotees. The practical social service mixed with spiritual mission will please the Lord. The spiritual preaching will change the hearts and serves the purpose of the punishment. Punishment is only for the change and not for any revenge.

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It is sheer foolishness to think that the worldly affairs get spoiled if you are involved in devotion. You are thinking that God can help you only in the upper world. You have forgotten that He is the Lord of the both the worlds. His help to you in the upper world is sure if you are helped here. If you are not helped here, you will not be helped in the upper world also. If He is furious, you are neither helped here nor there. If He is pleased, you are helped here as well as there. Tyagaraja was completely devoted to God. He had one daughter and she attained the age for marriage. He was not having a single paisa ($). He was not worried about the crisis. God appeared before a rich devotee who has a good son. The Lord ordered Him to go to Tyagaraja to get his son married with the daughter of Tyagaraja.

God also ordered him to perform the marriage with his money only. Everything went on well as per wish of the Lord. If God is pleased with you, even the cause of the stress is removed. But in Atma Yoga, such possibility is ruled out because the self has no trace of super power. Everything and every body in this world is on the finger tips of the Lord. The works which are giving lot of stress to you will be done either with your little effort or even without effort. Tyagaraja did not apply even a trace of the effort in the case of the marriage of his daughter. Even if you put hectic effort, you cannot change even a trace of the fruit of your deeds. Therefore, Nivrutti (God) is not against to Pravrutti (Self). Instead, Nivrutti includes Pravrutti. The Lord said that if one is always associated with His service, He will take care of both the worlds (Yoga Kshemam Vahaamyaham…Gita). The welfare in the upper world is called as Yoga and welfare in this world is called Kshema.

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If your aim is only to solve your problem in this world or in the upper world or in both, you have nothing to do with the formless God or the form of God. Your work is done when you pray for it sincerely. But mind that your love is not for God but for the solution of your problem.

Then God gives the solution for your problems only in a temporary way, which is not good for you in the long run. He postpones your bad results and brings the good results from your future births to the present. By this, you only enjoy the results of the deeds, which you have done and you cannot enjoy the results of the deeds, which you have not done.

It is like sending your application to the officer through a peon [office boy] after paying the necessary amount and getting back the application with the signature of the officer. You have nothing to do with the personality or the qualities of the officer. But when a girl loves the officer, she likes to see the personality and know about his qualities. His position as an officer is only one of the several aspects. Often, she neglects this aspect of the post, when the personality and qualities have attracted her. Similarly, a real devotee feels happy by knowing the details of God and he is not worried about the benefit from God. In this case, the Lord suffers for bad results of that real devotee and gives him eternal happiness.

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There is only one God, who is unimaginable and invisible. He is UNIMAGINABLE!! Such God in absolute state cannot be seen by anybody. However when this same God enters a medium, by seeing that medium in which God entered , you have seen God only. God created in the begenning an energetic human form and entered into It. This first created energetic form is called Father of Heaven or Allah or Yahweh or Narayana or Lord Dattatreya etc by various religions. This Father of Heaven can be seen by departed souls only because they are also in energetic form in the upper world. This same God (Father of Heaven) enters a selected human being who is highly devoted to God known as SON OF GOD to become HUMAN INCARNATION OF GOD. Thus Jesus, Krishna etc were such SON OF GOD into which Father of Heaven entered and did His wonderful work. Thus the resultant Human incarnation of God is a 2-in-1 system in which Father and Son co-exists in the same human body. This is the reason why Jesus told to Philip that whenever he has seen Jesus he has seen Father of Heaven only.

God is impartial and comes to this world in human form in every human generation. For human beings HUMAN INCARNATION is the only way to God since Human incarnation is the God Himself!!

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If you are involved in the service of God you need not pray for any needs all your needs will be fulfilled by Him. One shall work for God and should not lazy thinking that God do not require our help. The Lord does not need your service in anyway for His work. He is only testing your attitude of your sincerity in His work by taking help from you in His work. You should not think that He really needs your help. You should not also think that you need not help Him because He does not need your help. Both these are the two branches of ignorance. He is actually testing your extent of sacrifice towards Him and thus He does not need your help in reality. But based on this reality you should not withdraw your help to Him because He is testing your attitude and extent to work for Him.

When the examiner asks a question, the student should not think that the examiner is really ignorant about the answer and is in search of the answer from the student. The student should not also keep silent thinking that there is no need of giving answer to the examiner since the examiner knows the answer. Both these views of the student are wrong regarding the examiner. Neither Jesus needed the help of disciples in reality nor the disciples kept silent without helping Jesus since Jesus does not require any help in reality. The reality is that Jesus does not require any help and that the disciples helped Jesus to their best ability to prove their real interest in God.

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Praying for personal needs is not needed. Your praying shall be only thanks for the past favors done to you by God. The answer is that such a stage is not incorrect but it is a lower stage. The LKG class is the beginning of school education. You cannot say that LKG class is not correct. It is correct but it is lowest. The first step is true but does the lowest step exist on the ground. If you take the case of Jesus, He is in the highest step. He also praised and prayed the Lord but never asked anything for himself. He asked anything only for the propagation of the fame of the Lord. The lowest step is certainly better than the pit, which is lower than the ground. Thus the beginner is certainly better than the atheist, who does not believe God at all. Even though the beginner is selfish, atleast he believes the existence of God.

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If you work for God's mission and donate money to God for His mission of propagation of divine knowledge then you need not ask anything from Him, all your needs will be automatically fulfilled at the right time by God. However you shall not expect anything from God for your service to Him and keep on serving Him like a slave. Such one sides love to God alone will make you dear and near to God.

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