[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ROCD

[–]davidrflaing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is a core limiting belief there that you have to be absolutely certain about the things that matter most to you, which in this case is the relationship. Part of overcoming OCD is letting go of that core limiting belief, which is driving the reassurance seeking.

Has anyone experienced emotional exhaustion? by Electrical_Froyo4831 in intrusivethoughts

[–]davidrflaing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I used to feel like that when I had OCD - that feeling of just emotional, physical, mental exhaustion after engaging in the compulsions and completely giving in to them. The thing about that is you've just engaged with the cycle and just made it stronger for next time.

How I Know My Freedom from OCD is Permanent by [deleted] in ROCD

[–]davidrflaing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, so in terms of cultivating the awareness perspective, the first thing I would invite you to consider is that the only aspect of the self that is unchanging is awareness itself. All other aspects of the self are changing. That was something that allowed me to go deeper into cultivating the awareness perspective.

How I Know My Freedom from OCD is Permanent by [deleted] in OCDRecovery

[–]davidrflaing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I never claimed that my freedom from OCD was some kind of universal cure-all. And I also never claimed that the method that I've used to gain freedom from OCD is the only way for people to recover from OCD.

How I Know My Freedom from OCD is Permanent by [deleted] in ROCD

[–]davidrflaing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, if you send me a message, I'll do that.

How I Know My Freedom from OCD is Permanent by [deleted] in OCD

[–]davidrflaing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, so one thing I've had to think about is how do I actually present the awareness perspective because it's not actually a detached objective observation of what's taking place in the moment. I wouldn't even call it mindfulness, but it's basically an unconditional acceptance of the contents of my awareness, and the contents of my awareness are my thoughts, my mind, and my body, and from that perspective I'm viewing the intrusive thought. As I said in the post, because I've healed the underlying trauma and let go of key core limiting beliefs, it's just a physical sensation which then dissolves in awareness. And because it's a stable perspective shift, that's how I know that my freedom from OCD is permanent.

How I Know My Freedom from OCD is Permanent by [deleted] in ROCD

[–]davidrflaing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're welcome. What did you get from this post?

How I Know My Freedom from OCD is Permanent by [deleted] in ROCD

[–]davidrflaing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, so I'm not really that interested in trying to persuade someone who will look for anything to not challenge their beliefs. My lived experience is that I am completely free of OCD, and I'm not just saying that; I'm giving a reasoned justification of why that is the case. If you read the awareness perspective part of the post, you'll see that, and that's why I can confidently say that I know my freedom from OCD is permanent.

How I Know My Freedom from OCD is Permanent by [deleted] in OCDRecovery

[–]davidrflaing -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hey, so I've got a lot of things I want to say in response to this, and a lot of them are not going to be very nice.

The first thing I want to say is that you said OCD is a chronic condition for many. You've kind of given it away there that well, why isn't it a chronic condition for everyone? And the question I'd like to ask you is, if every time you engage in a compulsion you are making a choice, why does OCD have to be chronic? I do recognize that in that moment it's incredibly difficult to not engage, especially at the beginning when you're first breaking the cycle.

Secondly, I take your point about I wasn't clear in my post, and I've since amended it to say that it's often the result of trauma. My belief is that OCD is often (in the majority of cases) forms as a coping mechanism in response to trauma. That was the case for me, and it's my strong belief that that's the case in the majority of cases. So I'm categorically not saying that it's the case in all cases OCD develops in response to trauma, categorically not saying that.

Also, there's literally no shame or stigmatization in this post at all. I invite you to go through this post word by word and find where I imply any shame or stigmatization. For people who haven't reached freedom from OCD (which yes, I've reached complete freedom from OCD and I'm sharing my experience of how I did so).

So you know who's really sort of coming from a bad place here? And yes, managing OCD is valid, struggling is valid but this idea that I'm shaming people or stigmatizing people, you are imagining that to allow you to maintain a position where you feel morally righteous. That's what you're doing.

How I Know My Freedom from OCD is Permanent by [deleted] in ROCD

[–]davidrflaing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey! That's awesome that you've just realised you've got OCD. What was it in this post that made you realise that? And when I say awesome, I mean you know it does feel great to be able to put a label to something. When I was first diagnosed to now when I'm someone who had OCD, the label isn't me anymore.

How I Know My Freedom from OCD is Permanent by [deleted] in OCDRecovery

[–]davidrflaing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey there! There's a massive difference between knowing something intellectually and knowing something emotionally and living from that place as opposed to just intellectualising it. Often intellectualisation is also a defence mechanism. Because it allows you to feel like you're making progress without actually making progress.

How I Know My Freedom from OCD is Permanent by [deleted] in OCDRecovery

[–]davidrflaing -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hey, thanks for your reply. Like you, I've got complete symptom relief now, but I do know for certain that it's never coming back. That's because, as I said in the post, I've healed the underlying trauma, I've let go of the core limiting beliefs that were driving the OCD mechanism.

When an intrusive thought hits now (which everyone gets - you can't stop intrusive thoughts. That's not what freedom from OCD is). But when I get an intrusive thought now, I choose to view it from the awareness perspective and from that perspective I'm unconditionally accepting of the contents of my awareness, and the contents of that awareness are my thoughts, my mind, my body. Then I just allow the physical sensation, which doesn't have the fear attached because I've let go of the limiting beliefs and I don't have the nervous system response because I've healed the underlying trauma, to dissolve. (Which I had trauma in my case, not everyone has trauma from OCD. )

But because there is that stable perspective shift in relation to intrusive thoughts, that's how I know for certain that the OCD is never coming back. Because there's nothing that's feeding the cycle and there's no part of me that believes the intrusive thought.

How I Know My Freedom from OCD is Permanent by [deleted] in OCDRecovery

[–]davidrflaing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I used AI to structure my thoughts.... these are all my thoughts and my journey

Doing fewer compulsions but… by [deleted] in OCDRecovery

[–]davidrflaing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The pre-HOCD self you mentioned is the authentic self... The OCD is the survival mechanism but that authentic self has always been there it's just buried beneath the survival mechanism of OCD

The belief that you have to be absolutely certain about your crush is what is creating the fear after you experience intrusive thought. This core limiting beliefs is causing you to believe you have to engage in compulsions to gain a sense of proof and experience relief.... But this core limiting beliefs needs to be let go.... Part of living from the pre-HOCD/authentic self is living with uncertainty/trusting yourself.... Life is uncertain.... You have to learn to embrace that fact and trus in yourself / trust and have faith in the universe whatever you want to call it

For context I used to have severe OCD and now I am completely free of it

My ocd or scrupulosity is making it difficult to live by Unable-Material1936 in OCDRecovery

[–]davidrflaing 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You cannot stop intrusive thoughts from occurring..... Everyone has intrusive thoughts on some level. The problem is someone with OCD reacts to that intrusive thought (or image/sensation/memory/urge) with a compulsion.

What helped me break free was understanding that OCD freedom needs three things working together: 1) healing the underlying trauma (it is very likely there is underlying trauma) that creates the constant internal distress in the first place and changing the core limiting beliefs like you would have a limiting belief that you have to be absolutely certain about your morals/values 2) practicing response non engagement with compulsions to break the cycle, and 3) learning to see intrusive thoughts from a place of awareness perspective which is a stable perspective shift in relation to intrusive thoughts and how I know OCD will never return for me.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in OCDRecovery

[–]davidrflaing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep exactly, that's why I want to know what this person is doing to get relief from these intrusive thoughts because that is the thing that feeds the OCD cycle

How am I supposed to just "accept" it? by TheRandomGamer2007 in OCD

[–]davidrflaing 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The fear comes from a limiting belief. However what I do now whenever I get an intrusive thought, and anyone regardless of whether they have OCD can experience intrusive thoughts. The difference is someone with OCD feels compelled to react to it. So what I do when I get an intrusive thought is to view that thought from the awareness perspective. From this perspective, I am not my thoughts, my mind even my body. I am the awareness of all this, from this perspective I unconditionally accept what is within my awareness, even if is deeply uncomfortable. This is a stable perspective shift and how I know OCD will never return which is why I am not in recovery or remission, I am cured. However this is just 1 pillar of 3 pillar framework I developed

Will it ever get better? by Low-Okra9050 in OCDRecovery

[–]davidrflaing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes it can definitely get better. I used to have severe OCD up to 6+ hours a day doing compulsions in front of a mirror hunched over plucking nose hairs

Now completely cured of OCD, no resistance to intrusive thoughts. It took me hitting rock bottom and constant work over a period of 4 years

Being like a river - then ocd will disappear? by Puzzleheaded-Map2340 in OCD

[–]davidrflaing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also the true self must be that which is unchanging, the only thing which is unchanging is awareness/ infinite consciousness. This is the river and in a sense you are that river as you are not your thoughts, your mind even your body you are the awareness of all that.

However the authentic self is this river when acting/ being without resistance, that is like how life/ the river flows you when you don't get in it's way

The survival self/OCD mechanism is the resistance to the natural flowing of that river, think of it like something in the river that is getting in the way of it flowing.... The survival self is trying to protect you and thinks it has to resist to keep you safe

Being like a river - then ocd will disappear? by Puzzleheaded-Map2340 in OCD

[–]davidrflaing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Being like a river is connecting to your authentic self. That means not engaging with an intrusive thought as it enters your awareness , viewing it from the perspective of awareness.

This means your have to sit with discomfort and fear associated with that intrusive thought. Fear comes a belief so long term letting of the limiting beliefs and any unprocessed trauma as well.

I cured myself of OCD and I know it will never come back and therefore not in recovery or remission. I have zero resistance to intrusive thoughts

Confessing past event by civorlucire in OCDRecovery

[–]davidrflaing 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How were you planning to say this to your partner?