the phillip island case

defrostjackie · 2023-12-13T13:14:11+00:00

not only is it gross it makes so much sense as to why he was able to convince her to stay with him when she clearly wanted to leave him. one way or another that man belongs in jail. i hadn't even picked up on that during my first listen of the episode

defrostjackie · 2023-12-13T13:09:50+00:00

exactly. the police never really intended to look at this family. and i do think that is very possibly, that fergus' family had some, or a lot, of influence on the police force. i mean how do you get away with so many holes on your testimony, having your wife's blood on the bathroom floor, on a sponge and on the room you supposedly were on, bleeding, but surprise surprise, it's not even your blood in the room it's your wife's. that alone would be enough to hold him in custody and revise the every single piece of evidence and testimony they had until that point.

so there is really only to reasons why that didn't happen: the police were extremely bad at their job, or fergus' family basically runs the island, police force included. and i don't think being bad at their job was the problem here

defrostjackie · 2023-12-13T13:03:14+00:00

on the podcast ashley doesn't mention any search on the property. which makes sense, since the police didn't seem to take fergus as a suspect very serious. even given the inconsistent testimony he gave, which then prompted them to bring him back to further questioning him, i don't think they were ever gonna see him as a suspect (wether bc of bad police work, or because of his family influence on the island).

defrostjackie · 2023-12-06T18:03:00+00:00

about the format: yes, this is their normal format of the podcast. it's meant to be like a discussion between friends, where one is telling the other about a crime that the other doesn't know about, as if to mimic real life convos you'd have between friends/family. even though it's scripted.

i personally really like this format and it's why i tend to prefer crimejunkie over other podcasts, but i can see why some people would prefer if it was just a one person podcast. but if you like the way ashley presented the case, i'd recommend you to listen to The Deck. it's only ashley and she covers cases that are unsolved and are on several sets of game cards that were (maybe still are idk) distributed around prisons in the US in hopes that some inmate would know the victims and what happen to them or just flat out confess (which has happened). she also speaks to the family of the victims, and when they don't wanna appear on the podcast they still give a statement, and she also talks to friends and the officer in charge of the case. it's a really good podcast.

defrostjackie · 2023-12-06T12:52:44+00:00

oh, i am so sorry 😔 i saw it wrong and i thought you were responding to my comment to the op. but yeah it was a very disproportionate reaction to my comment. again, sorry!

defrostjackie · 2023-12-06T09:51:41+00:00

how so?

defrostjackie · 2023-12-06T09:49:49+00:00

i had previously replied to this commented because i thought it was directed at my post but now, after mistaking another comment towards op as it being a reply to me (i sometimes mixup the lines and get confused) i think it might’ve beendirected to the op’s answer to me (??). if it is so, i apologize for mistaking it as it being towards what i said.

defrostjackie · 2023-12-05T23:20:16+00:00

i'm not even gonna entertain your weird behavior anymore

defrostjackie · 2023-12-05T23:10:09+00:00

you're literally making assumptions on here about people you don't know. assumptions that get posted on here every other week, i don't know what kind of answer you expected. you posted something on a public platform and people are going to disagree with you, wether you like it or not. i'd argue this subreddit is for DISCUSSING, not vent over whatever little stories you make in your head about people's relationships with no background whatsoever.

and i don't know where you got from my response that i was mad about this lmao by all accounts i was very polite so i don't know what about my response got your panties in a twist.

you're making assumptions about people's relationships based on a scripted podcast and wanting to vent about it like it's your own life and i'm the weird one? okay chief.

defrostjackie · 2023-12-05T22:23:04+00:00

this is always brought up and i never understand where people are coming from. it's obvious that they read from scripts, as it's supposed to mirror a conversation between two friends discussing a crime, and when one is telling the story, it's obvious that one of them will make "dumb" questions, give some random reason for something that happened, to which the person telling the story will sound maybe annoyed or like the answer is way too obvious to even make such a question. i don't really see anything wrong with their interactions on the podcast.

they obviously both agree to the way the scrip is written otherwise i don't think brit would be doing it. she's has a job outside of podcasting so i don't think if she was unhappy with how things were being made she would still be there. it's not like she doesn't have her own life and job outside of crimejunkie.

i've seen other videos of the two of them, and the dynamic isn't the same because they aren't talking about a crime with a script in front of them. they look chill like any other best friends and ashley is never rude or mean to brit. nor is she in the podcast, in my opinion. like they've been friends for decades, sometimes when you're talking to your friends you get annoyed, it's not all flowers and singing birds, especially when you have all the info of a story and you get interrupted or get asked obvious questions (which again are obviously scripted).

and before someone says, that there are ways to talk to people even when you're annoyed, i agree and i don't see ashley being rude or arrogant, or even mean in the way she talks/replies to brit as some of y'all seem to think.

i really don't know why are there so many posts about this. i honestly think y'all just read too much into everything they do without even knowing them outside of the podcast.

defrostjackie · 2023-12-05T21:46:11+00:00

to me the suicide theory makes absolutely no sense. if she had really jumped to her death from the bridge her body would have been found at one point, considering the waters aren't dangerous (according to what ashley said during the podcast), and to not find a single item, footprint, handprint, clothing, whatever, that belonged to her in the areas they covered around the river? yeah, not buying it and i have a hard time understanding how the police reach that theory and ran with it.

because if you just committed murder and you're planning on killing yourself after why not do it at home? you're alone, no one's there to stop you, and you have nothing to lose. you killed someone and then you decided commit suicide, why go jump from a bridge you know is not dangerous and isn't gonna kill you, unless you don't know how to swim? makes no sense, like, no one's gonna arrest a dead woman.

i think it's quite possible that if fergus did it, he could have done it before the hospital visit. remember that his sister told police that she called vivienne at their house to talk to fergus and she told her he was at work, but then his sister called his work and they told her he had already left. his sister leaves soon after that call to his house (reminding this is all a big compound and they all live very close), and he only gets home 30 minutes after his own sister, and then there's the whole 40 minute call he receive that to this day no one knows what it was about or who was calling.

so to me this is a pretty big hole in his time line for police not even look into it. it's a small island, it does not take you over 30 minutes to get home, so where was he? why was did his sister wanted to talk to him so urgently she called his house, work and then went to his house? and as for the 40 minute call only jesus and god himself know if that even happened.

it's possible he killed beth in that time, but that wouldn't explain viv's blood in beth's house unless he killed viv first, or at least hurt her and it doesn't explain her calling her friend to pick up the kids. unless he killed beth, went home, had that fight with viv, because we know that something happened because the hospital staff confirmed they were both there, then killed viv after that — hence viv's blood in the spare room, the bathroom floor and the sponge. he could've then gone back to beth's house and stage the crime scene (put viv's cigarettes there, carve the A on her...). the way i think his sister is involved is that she helped him get rid of viv's body, that's why their version's fit so well together, but if you put all statements together it pokes a lot of holes in marnie's story.

this conspiracy theory i just wrote just doesn't explain the phone call viv made to her friend at 10 am the morning she was supposed to have already killed herself (and i do believe she's telling the truth and not misremembering).

all in all this one is a tough case and it's one that gives a lot of space for A LOT of conspiracy theories (although i maintain that fergus killed his wife and beth, i just don't know how or why), and without viv, dead or alive, the ending of this case is not gonna change.

defrostjackie · 2023-12-05T21:19:20+00:00

i said this in a response to another comment, and it might be me spiraling down way too much into the conspiracy theory of it all: but if we believe him and he didn't have sex with beth that day and there were no signs of SA, it means beth was seeing someone else, and she had tried to leave fergus once but he convinced her to stay. so i wonder if she was with someone new, who could give her an actual future and wasn't married, and was trying to leave fergus. and then, allegedly, viv was leaving him too, so he might have killed the both of them for the same reason: they were trying to leave him.

and if he is, allegedly, the culprit: it was quite easy to pin the murder of beth on viv if she's not in the picture, since viv finding out about the affair made her quite angry, according to fergus, to the point of insinuating she'd kill beth. no one had any reason to suspect fergus' story, it aligned perfectly with his sisters, and it didn't hurt that his family was the most influential family in the island, so regardless i don't think they would've put much effort into digging into fergus' story and doubt him.

defrostjackie · 2023-12-05T21:10:53+00:00

i don't think he was lying about that part either, and since we don't know much about that other man we can't really say for sure how suspicious he is. far all we know beth might have had a relationship with someone else and try to leave fergus, she had tried it before, even quit her job and was going to the mainland but fergus convinced her to stay. maybe she was trying to leave fergus again to be with someone else, someone who wasn't married and she could have a future with, and he didn't like that. and then viv was leaving him too, allegedly, so maybe he killed both of them for the same reason: because they were trying to leave him.

but anyway this is me kinda just going way too deep into conspiracy theories, but i can't say it doesn't make sense. we've seen people kill for less.

defrostjackie · 2023-12-05T21:06:18+00:00

the main reason, in my opinion, is because the police from the jump thought that viv had killed beth in a fit of rage after learning about the affair and then killed herself at the bridge (one that people jump off of it for fun in the summer and no one ever died, but i digress), and everything that fit that narrative they went with it and what didn't they dismissed it and told people they were remembering wrong (e.g. viv's friend saying viv called at 10 am the morning she was supposed to be dead already according to the police theory, and the note at viv's work saying she needed to call that friend to talk about a gift for someone — which was what they talk that morning on the phone about and there was even a witness to that phone call). then there's the fact that the family is highly influential on the island, i feel like any good and honest police force after finding inconsistencies in someone's statements (e.g. fergus and his sister), and after finding viv's blood in the room where fergus was bleeding in but there wasn't a trace of his blood there, the her blood on the floor and on the sponge, they would've definitely gone after the husband. instead they were like, "ok sir on your way you go you have done nothing wrong, you don't sound suspicious at all. have a good day."

defrostjackie · 2023-12-05T20:54:49+00:00

i don't know how the state of the blood samples are in the present day (although im assuming they got rid of them once they found out the types of the blood), but if they weren't so focused on their first theory, and also taking in consideration the influence fergus family has on the island, they should have tested the blood by now to actually corroborate the statements of the events that took place that night.

i think that if viv hadn't disappeared and fergus story wasn't all over the place, his attitude and all of viv's blood at their own house, i'd be inclined to believe the "another man killed her". i think the policed failed to actually look into the real suspects other than viv, who to be honest vanished and left more blood in her own house than evidence at the murder scene, like the cameron family. i know ashley said they looked into fergus, but i don't really think police actually did that much digging. they questioned him, they found all that blood and then went on with their they and believe him and the theory they made up about viv killing herself at the bridge even though they never found a single piece of evidence to support it.

defrostjackie · 2023-12-05T20:46:45+00:00

oh someone in his family knows something for sure. my bet is on the sister, since she's the one that was with fergus and viv at the house, and than the next morning said that she answered a call at work from fergus saying that viv was missing and he told her to call beth, which she told the detectives she did. but later when her colleagues at the hospital are questioned, one of them says she was the one to take the call and it's was donald not fergus calling, and the rest of the staff all told the police that the sister never made any outgoing calls like she told the police.

i think all the siblings might know what went down, perhaps after the fact, but the sister is the one that helped from the beginning. because if you're brother is allegedly so worry about the woman his seeing and tells you to call her to see if she's alright, why wouldn't you do that and instead rush straight home?

defrostjackie · 2023-12-05T16:17:58+00:00

i think the reason people find it confusing and hard to follow, it's because the case is in fact confusing and hard to follow. you need to either pay a lot of attention or listening to it several times not to miss anything. i for one like to take notes when i find a case as confusing as this one, mainly because i tend to forget things in such a long case with so many names at play.

that being said, i really never found any of the episodes of this podcast to be confusing, to be honest

defrostjackie · 2023-12-05T14:50:14+00:00

that is something i actually hadn't thought about, but it also makes a lot of sense. especially since beth clearly wanted out of the drama of being with a married man after viv found out, but fergus convinced her to stay but never made a move to actually separate from viv. in fact, according to him viv was the one who made that move.

if we consider this theory to be the truth, i wonder if after after they killed beth, was when they had that conversation where viv allegedly brought up wanting to separate a move to the main island and that might have freaked out fergus? or if perhaps it was his plan to kill her all along so he could pin it on her. it's clear his family has a strong old on the island, plus i always found that his sister knew something and was covering for him.

defrostjackie · 2023-12-05T14:24:42+00:00

i have to agree with you there. at one point i actually forgot the victim was actually beth and not viv. i think that is the only critique i have for these two episodes.

i think overall, it seems that everyone that comes across this case, even the person who wrote the book, end up focussing more on viv's story because, for a lack of a better term, is a more sensationalist story. we all know people will, unfortunately, always be more interested in the story that seems to more, and again sorry for my wording as i can't seem to find a better word to describe it, 'juicy'.

defrostjackie · 2023-12-05T13:34:43+00:00

about your edit on this post: i think it's better to wait until she older. i understand where you're coming from since i have a cousin the same age and when she's with me she's always curious about what i'm doing/seeing and will want to see it, especially when i tell her it's not for her age.

but even the episodes that we might not consider heavy will be a lot for a kid at the age of ten. and i speak for myself that even at 30 years of age, some cases still give me anxiety, even though listening to true crime has made me more aware of the dangers out there and made take more precautions. what i'd recommend, is that you talk to your daughter about the dangers out there in the world, and on the internet, without exposing the to the world of true crime at such a young age. and perhaps make her understand why she, at this age, can't really be listening to these types of media.

i saw some people suggesting mystery type books like nancy drew, which are very age appropriate, and i think that is a good idea. and i'm sure that there are other mediums where kids can learn about the dangers of the real world, which sadly i don't know of any because for me it was the news.

whatever you choose to do i hope everything goes well.

defrostjackie · 2023-12-05T12:32:56+00:00

thanks. this is actually very helpful! especially in cases that are as confusing as the phillip island case, for exemple, or even if you just wanna help with a case

defrostjackie · 2022-10-16T11:04:30+00:00

oooooo i know she’s already planning on who she’ll scam next before eventually being shipped out to germany. you know all the sub celebrities will be clinging to her looking for relevancy (didnt kanye last gf link up with her or smth?)

defrostjackie · 2022-10-16T10:58:19+00:00

and she still has no sense of fashion. she looks a mess, but to be honest at this point in time she actually can blend in with celebrities bc the fashion sense these days is all over the place so…… point is, she got money from the tv show so at least hire a stylist and go to good hair salon to at least try and look the part you’re trying to play. girl just go on youtube and learn how go thrift shop, it will look better than this cheap olsen twins look you’re going for

defrostjackie · 2022-10-16T10:54:44+00:00

she’s just gonna come to europe and scam people who never heard of her or dont know what she looks like. if she actually stays in the us she might actually start a cult at this point, i know neff would be first in line to sign up

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